Cap Numbers for Trading Romo

[Direwolf63]

Would it be accurate to say that if Romo stays on the roster next year it would add 14M to the cap making the total cap benefit from his departure $19M?

hopefully my question makes some sense

Does anyone know if there is a specific rule that prohibits the trading of Cap dollars? I'm assuming there is or we'd see a lot more trades

Romo cap hit in 2017 if he stays = $19.7M
Romo cap hit if he is traded or released after 2016 = $14.6M

2017 Cap savings if traded or released after 2016 = $5.1M

 

[LittleD]

Romo cap hit in 2017 if he stays = $19.7M
Romo cap hit if he is traded or released after 2016 = $14.6M

2017 Cap savings if traded after 2016 = $5.1M

Finally, some sanity... Romo stays at least for this year... Who knows what will happen between now and
the playoffs.

 

[hornitosmonster]

He can't be traded or cut.

 

[T-RO]

This, and nobody is paying that for an aging QB with an accelerated recent injury history

If Jerry decides to trade...he won't be asking for two first rounders. He won't even be asking for a single first rounder.

Let me invite every one to a thought experiment. I think Romo has been darn good. Can we agree on that?
If you take the top 20 quarterbacks of all time...what is the average expected value of those players after the age of 36? How many are even still playing at 36 or 38?

Maybe there's a 1 in 5 chance a team on the cusp--w/out a quarterback would take such a risk, figuring Romo's window might last through next season. But the risk and limited window would heavily suppress any trade value.

 

[noshame]

Let me ask this.
If Romo wanted to be traded and was willing to give back part of his bonus would that reduce the cap hit if it's even possible?

 

[LittleD]

Let me ask this.
If Romo wanted to be traded and was willing to give back part of his bonus would that reduce the cap hit if it's even possible?

Really, when have you seen a player give back SB. That's what I thought, never! Tony wants to stick on this team this year to
see if he can get that ring. There is a lot of football to be played before next January. Lots of twists and turns left in this season and
Dak has loads to learn. Just saying...

 

[AbeBeta]

Thanks, always enjoy when cap gurus post this stuff.

You don't have to be a guru to google Spotrac

 

[Temo]

You don't have to be a guru to google Spotrac

Over the cap is better.

 

[Temo]

That is not a good way to look at the cap and it's not how teams look at it.

His base salary is 14M in 2017. That is a actual amount that gets added to the overall cap when you consider all years. Teams manage the cap on a multi-year basis, not just based on the cap implication for 1 year.

It's so hard to get people to understand this.

 

[yimyammer]

Romo cap hit in 2017 if he stays = $19.7M
Romo cap hit if he is traded or released after 2016 = $14.6M

2017 Cap savings if traded or released after 2016 = $5.1M

I'm having a hard time reconciling to your numbers and the more I stare at Spotrac (see below), the more confused I get. Between the guaranteed $55M and the multiple restructured bonuses, I'm now sufficiently confuse across the board. From how much, if any, of the $55M guaranteed is left to be paid, the remaining dead money after 2016, etc. Sheesh, and to think I'm usually pretty good at math.

Is the $14M in 2017 base salary included in your break down?

Where are you getting the $5.1M savings (if released) from?

 

[noshame]

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Really, when have you seen a player give back SB. That's what I thought, never! Tony wants to stick on this team this year to
see if he can get that ring. There is a lot of football to be played before next January. Lots of twists and turns left in this season and
Dak has loads to learn. Just saying...

Your agenda. If Tony was told to sit and had a chance to start elsewhere you don't think he go?

 

[LittleD]

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Your agenda. If Tony was told to sit and had a chance to start elsewhere you don't think he go?

No...Not if he was getting sent to Cleveland or Miami. Would you?

 

[Nightman]

I don't believe this is correct.

A post June 1st trade should be counted the same as a cut.

This seasons portion of all bonus money would be absorbed, but it is already accounted for.

We would recoup some salary and have 19 mil in dead cap next season.

This whole thread is wrong........the dead money hit of 19.6m would hit next year

DAL would save 4m this year and roll it over to next year mitigating the dead money by 4m down to 15.6m..........that would be 9m less than his scheduled hit of 24.7m right now

 

[noshame]

No...Not if he was getting sent to Cleveland or Miami. Would you?

I don't think Cleveland or Miami would be trading for a 36 year old quarterback I think it would be a contender that needs help now and I don't see Tony sitting and watching somebody else to guide his team

 

[Nightman]

I don't think Cleveland or Miami would be trading for a 36 year old quarterback I think it would be a contender that needs help now and I don't see Tony sitting and watching somebody else to guide his team

GMs not named JJones need to win now to keep their jobs......they will sell out their possible future to get a QB like Romo who can not only win right away but sell tickets

 

[skinsscalper]

No offense to anyone here, but when @AdamJT13 posts the numbers, I'll take those as the gospel. Too much confusion and disagreement in this thread. Adam is wrong, literally, never.

 

[noshame]

GMs not named JJones need to win now to keep their jobs......they will sell out their possible future to get a QB like Romo who can not only win right away but sell tickets

And out of the other 31 teams I'm guessing there's 15 to 20 who's coaches and GM's think realistically they're contenders that's a big pool of quarterbacks in which something bad can happen to so if Tony does lose the starting position here I think there's a good possibility someone else will be knocking at the door

 

[Nightman]

No offense to anyone here, but when @AdamJT13 posts the numbers, I'll take those as the gospel. Too much confusion and disagreement in this thread. Adam is wrong, literally, never.

Just because you say 'no offense' it doesn't magically stop you from sounding offensive

Adam hasn't posted salary cap numbers in 2 years

 

[Nightman]

He is in the third season of his 4yr/68m portion of his deal.......that is 17m a year and all the guarantees are gone after this year

If traded his new team would take on a 3yr/54m deal with ZERO guarantees that could easily be re-worked or dropped at any time.....the dead money doesn't get traded

DAL has 19m in dead money after this year...that was the plan all along and a good one.......that means the team saved 19m in cap space the last 3-4 years when the cap was lower and space was needed..........19m on a 155m cap is much better than 19m on a 123m cap

 

[Verdict]

If Jerry decides to trade...he won't be asking for two first rounders. He won't even be asking for a single first rounder.

Let me invite every one to a thought experiment. I think Romo has been darn good. Can we agree on that?
If you take the top 20 quarterbacks of all time...what is the average expected value of those players after the age of 36? How many are even still playing at 36 or 38?

Maybe there's a 1 in 5 chance a team on the cusp--w/out a quarterback would take such a risk, figuring Romo's window might last through next season. But the risk and limited window would heavily suppress any trade value.

I disagree. If Denver had Romo its odds for winning the super bowl this year would be about 75 percent. Those odds are significantly better than they have now which would be at around 20 percent.