Cap Numbers for Trading Romo

[T-RO]

You don't have to be a guru to google Spotrac

Maybe not, but how many people take the time and thought to do it and come to a working understanding? I really appreciated his XW's posts.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't think Cleveland or Miami would be trading for a 36 year old quarterback I think it would be a contender that needs help now and I don't see Tony sitting and watching somebody else to guide his team

Miami is possible. Miami seems to be a quarterback away from doing something. They have some solid pieces there.

 

[T-RO]

I disagree. If Denver had Romo its odds for winning the super bowl this year would be about 75 percent. Those odds are significantly better than they have now which would be at around 20 percent.

The Tony Romo of 2014...sure. But you are making several massive assumptions:
-Going from age 34--when tony last had big success-- to age 36 isn't a deal
-The shoulder/clavicle won't bust again
-The back isn't a deal

Here's a little history about top quarterbacks age:
-At age 36, Dan Marino saw his decline. His quarterback rating dropped to 80.7, his touchdowns plummeted to 17, and only in his rookie year did he produce fewer passing yards in a full season. He lasted two more seasons before retirement.

- Troy Aikman’s demise occurred so abruptly at age 34 that he retired.

- Terry Bradshaw threw in the towel at 35, after two injury plagued seasons.

- Johnny Unitas, whose longevity in the league is well-documented -- he played 17 seasons from 1956 to 1973 -- began to break down at 35. He only played in five games that year and didn’t start a single one. His play never recovered as he sludged through four more mediocre seasons with Baltimore before doing the unthinkable, leaving to sputter out in San Diego.

- Fran Tarkenton's decline came at 37 -- in 1977 he only played in nine games. He ended things the next season.

- Even Steve Young, who in essence got a late start after waiting for Montana to break down, had his last hurrah at age 37 before the concussions got to him.

The examples are endless: Joe Namath (34), Bart Starr (36), Roger Staubach (37), Jim Kelly (36), Otto Graham (34), Dan Fouts (36, dropped off at 35), Sammy Baugh (dropped off at 36 and fizzled until the end at 38), Len Dawson (dropped off at 34), Bob Griese (35) — it goes on and on.

There are a few legendary quarterbacks who have had continued success past age 35, but they can be counted on one hand: Warren Moon, Montana, John Elway, Kurt Warner and Brett Favre.

 

[Nightman]

The Tony Romo of 2014...sure. But you are making several massive assumptions:
-Going from age 34--when tony last had big success-- to age 36 isn't a deal
-The shoulder/clavicle won't bust again
-The back isn't a deal

Here's a little history about top quarterbacks age:
-At age 36, Dan Marino saw his decline. His quarterback rating dropped to 80.7, his touchdowns plummeted to 17, and only in his rookie year did he produce fewer passing yards in a full season. He lasted two more seasons before retirement.

- Troy Aikman’s demise occurred so abruptly at age 34 that he retired.

- Terry Bradshaw threw in the towel at 35, after two injury plagued seasons.

- Johnny Unitas, whose longevity in the league is well-documented -- he played 17 seasons from 1956 to 1973 -- began to break down at 35. He only played in five games that year and didn’t start a single one. His play never recovered as he sludged through four more mediocre seasons with Baltimore before doing the unthinkable, leaving to sputter out in San Diego.

- Fran Tarkenton's decline came at 37 -- in 1977 he only played in nine games. He ended things the next season.

- Even Steve Young, who in essence got a late start after waiting for Montana to break down, had his last hurrah at age 37 before the concussions got to him.

The examples are endless: Joe Namath (34), Bart Starr (36), Roger Staubach (37), Jim Kelly (36), Otto Graham (34), Dan Fouts (36, dropped off at 35), Sammy Baugh (dropped off at 36 and fizzled until the end at 38), Len Dawson (dropped off at 34), Bob Griese (35) — it goes on and on.

There are a few legendary quarterbacks who have had continued success past age 35, but they can be counted on one hand: Warren Moon, Montana, John Elway, Kurt Warner and Brett Favre.

I like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer

 

[AbeBeta]

Maybe not, but how many people take the time and thought to do it and come to a working understanding? I really appreciated his XW's posts.

Sorry it just amazes me that if people have an interest that they don't take the time to use basic resources to understand the cap. But hey, me, I like to draw my own conclusions

 

[Nightman]

Article 13 of the CBA Section 6

(2)For any player removed from the Team’s roster or whose Contract is
assigned via waivers or trade after June 1, except in the Final League Year, any unamor-
tized signing bonus amounts for future years will be included fully in Team Salary at the
start of the next League Year.
(3)
In the event that a player who has had a signing bonus allocated over the
years of his Player Contract is traded, or whose Contract is assigned to another team
pursuant to the NFL’s waiver procedure, the Team Salary of the player’s new team will
not include any portion of the signing bonus.

 

[Nightman]

Sorry it just amazes me that if people have an interest that they don't take the time to use basic resources to understand the cap. But hey, me, I like to draw my own conclusions

It is a lot more complicated than looking at a website, especially when the websites aren't always updated....it can just look like a wall of numbers

OTC is not accurate for the Cowboys
Spotrac is more thorough and timely....even though OTC is accusing them of stealing data

 

[noshame]

I like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer

Good point but I think we're looking at quarterbacks whose bodies start breaking down tony definitely falls into that category

 

[Vinnie2u]

What's the Cap hit if Romo retires after this season?

 

[Nightman]

What's the Cap hit if Romo retires after this season?

If it is before June 1st it is 19.6m
After June 1st it is 10.7m in 2017 and 8.9m in 2018

If he plays it is 24.7m before any restructure or re-negotiation

 

[Vinnie2u]

If it is before June 1st it is 19.6m
After June 1st it is 10.7m in 2017 and 8.9m in 2018

If he plays it is 24.7m before any restructure or re-negotiation

Thanks

 

[skinsscalper]

Just because you say 'no offense' it doesn't magically stop you from sounding offensive

Adam hasn't posted salary cap numbers in 2 years

And no one seems to have gotten it right since. Weird.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It would take two R1s and maybe more for me to trade him.

It's impossible for me to believe any team would do that.

 

[jobberone]

That is not a good way to look at the cap and it's not how teams look at it.

His base salary is 14M in 2017. That is a actual amount that gets added to the overall cap when you consider all years. Teams manage the cap on a multi-year basis, not just based on the cap implication for 1 year.

They're paying Sanchez 2M this year.

If all you're considering is base salary then ok. If he stays with the team that gets added to his restructured bonuses and signing bonuses to arrive at a figure. That's leaving out all other monies like roster and workout bonuses and monies likely to be earned. If he is cut then you just accelerate his bonuses and/or guaranteed monies and decide whether to spread that out or not.

His cap hit next year on the team is 24.7M which is 14M base, 5M signing and 5.7M restructured bonus money of which the latter two are guaranteed.

If he is cut then he gets 14.6M in restructured bonuses which may then be spread out over one or two years cap wise. He still gets the money if not on the club. You save 14M in cap space cutting him but then have to throw in 14.6M for a one time hit or 7.3M for 2017 and 2018. So there will be dead space if cut.

If he comes but healthy and plays well then someone is going to have to pay him what an elite starting QB makes probably for 3 years with an option year. He's not leaving Dallas without starting money and a very good to guaranteed chance of being the #1 QB.

Does he have a no trade clause in his contract?

 

[big dog cowboy]

If it is before June 1st it is 19.6m
After June 1st it is 10.7m in 2017 and 8.9m in 2018

If he plays it is 24.7m before any restructure or re-negotiation

Thanks man.

 

[jobberone]

It's impossible for me to believe any team would do that.

What did Minny give for Bradford?

 

[skinsscalper]

What did Minny give for Bradford?

A 1st.

Edit: now that I think about it there was something conditional, also. Found it. It's 2017 1st and a 2018 4th, The 4th in 2018 would become a 3rd if the Vikes win the Super Bowl.

 

[jobberone]

A 1st.

Edit: now that I think about it there was something conditional, also. Found it. It's 2017 1st and a 2018 4th, The 4th in 2018 would become a 3rd if the Vikes win the Super Bowl.

It was rhetorical but.......

the Vikings gave up first- and fourth-round picks to get Sam Bradford.

If you're giving up a R1 and a R4 for Bradford I don't see it absurd to pay two R1s to get a player like Romo.

But all this trade talk is just that......talk. Fun to play with but not real serious. It's like shopping for a Ferrari. You're not buying just grinning.

I'd like two identical Huanghuali tea cabinets made from real Chinese yellow rosewood not African or from SE Asia. Just grinning. I'll have to settle for African.

PS I see you edited it while I was typing.

 

[xwalker]

If all you're considering is base salary then ok. If he stays with the team that gets added to his restructured bonuses and signing bonuses to arrive at a figure. That's leaving out all other monies like roster and workout bonuses and monies likely to be earned. If he is cut then you just accelerate his bonuses and/or guaranteed monies and decide whether to spread that out or not.

His cap hit next year on the team is 24.7M which is 14M base, 5M signing and 5.7M restructured bonus money of which the latter two are guaranteed.

If he is cut then he gets 14.6M in restructured bonuses which may then be spread out over one or two years cap wise. He still gets the money if not on the club. You save 14M in cap space cutting him but then have to throw in 14.6M for a one time hit or 7.3M for 2017 and 2018. So there will be dead space if cut.

If he comes but healthy and plays well then someone is going to have to pay him what an elite starting QB makes probably for 3 years with an option year. He's not leaving Dallas without starting money and a very good to guaranteed chance of being the #1 QB.

Does he have a no trade clause in his contract?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Cap hit for 2017:
On the team - 24.7M

Cut (pre June 1st) - 19.6M

Cut (June 1st) - 10.7M

In regards to his 2017 base salary of 14M, if in 2026 you look back and add the Cowboys cap totals for years 2017 through 2026 all together, then that number will be 14M more if he was on the team in 2017 than if he was not on the team in 2017 (assuming no pay cut).

 

[skinsscalper]

It was rhetorical but.......

the Vikings gave up first- and fourth-round picks to get Sam Bradford.

If you're giving up a R1 and a R4 for Bradford I don't see it absurd to pay two R1s to get a player like Romo.

But all this trade talk is just that......talk. Fun to play with but not real serious. It's like shopping for a Ferrari. You're not buying just grinning.

I'd like two identical Huanghuali tea cabinets made from real Chinese yellow rosewood not African or from SE Asia. Just grinning. I'll have to settle for African.

The rub in asking for two 1sts for Romo is his age and his recent health history. I just don't think that it's reasonable to find a team that is a QB away from winning it all that would pony up the picks. The only one I can think of is Denver and they are cap poor right now. It would be our luck, though. Romo gets traded to Denver makes it to the Super Bowl and stomps our ***** with the two best players this team has had in the last two decades (Romo/Ware).