Capologists, yea right

[Future]

Ken Hamlin wasn’t great, but made a pro bowl as a cowboy and was a solid starter the next year. Earned his guaranteed $, which wasn’t a ton.

Do we have different memories of La’roi Glover? He was a very good as a Cowboy. Pro bowler every year.

Marco Rivera suffered a freak back injury running on a treadmill that ended his career. Not much you do about that.

Marcellus Wiley got paid like $5M by the Cowboys and was cut after 1 year.

Keyshawn was a straight up trade for Galloway at the time. Cowboys gave him a new (bad) deal right after the trade.

Henry, Ferguson, Bledsoe...sure not good contracts, but if we’re going back this far and that’s all we come up with- yeah I’d say the narrative that the team doesn’t sign free agents because Jerry has been burned in the past just isn’t true.

The point isn't whether they are good or not, like I said. It's that they were in on all these guys at top of market. They signed a lot of big names during that time.

 

[buybuydandavis]

What big free agent signings do you recall? Hint- they are non-existent. I don’t think you can point to a single free agent signing that has had any kind of significant negative impact on the franchise in 20+ years.

What you’re likely recalling is the string of terrible trades and contract extension for WR’s- Galloway & Keyshawn, Roy Williams, and to some extent TO (even tho he was very good for us). Those moves combined with bad drafting and not knowing when to walk away from our own players is what doomed the team. Had nothing to do with spending a reasonable amount of $ in free agency.

Paying big money for other players just doesn't count unless they were in free agency? That's the secret sauce that makes player evaluations work?

Who knew that not knowing players guaranteed that signing them would work out.

 

[zrinkill]

We only had one legitimate capologist on this board .... AdamJT13 ....... And the Turds ran him off.

 

[Floatyworm]

Every year, month, week, day, and hour, you can find a huge amount of differing “facts” as to how much money each team has to spend in free agency. I’m tired of hearing all of these so called cap experts and “capologists”, act like they have a clue about how much each team can spend. I’m especially dumbfounded at Cowboys fans trying to use the cap as an excuse as to why the FO doesn’t spend more money to make this team better. As if 26 years of being a losing bottom five franchise isn’t enough, you have people here try to use the mythological cap hell as an excuse for the Jones boys and their side kick Slick Willy. If you want a player, any player, there is always a way to make room to get him. And there is always a way to get out of it when you decide it’s time. It comes down to if you care about winning, or you don’t care about losing. You see teams who supposedly had less money than the Cowboys go after top tier FA’s all the time. Don’t give me this crap about free agency not being important for winning teams. That’s a lie. Tell the Bucs that this year, or the Chiefs that last year when they each signed multiple big time free agents and eventually won the championship. Oh wait, the Eagles did the same thing a few years ago, and so did most of the teams that competed against the super bowl winners. Now you’re watching your favorite team be outspent by teams like the Giants and the Dolphins. Will they win the SB, we don’t know. But at least the owners give their fans hope or excitement. We debate this every year around this time in here. How many more years of losing while doing it this way until all of you just admit your wrong?

I can't disagree....Jerry is just unwilling to push "all in" ...in any given year. Maybe that will change in the next couple of years as his time is winding down.

 

[GMO415]

Are paragraphs supposed to run that long?.....

 

[cowboyed]

What's just as tiresome and annoying is how many fans here think they are real GM's and think they have all the answers.
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It's part and parcel of the rant-pandemic in the forum. Some in here are on "ventilators".

 

[CowboyoWales]

Every year, month, week, day, and hour, you can find a huge amount of differing “facts” as to how much money each team has to spend in free agency. I’m tired of hearing all of these so called cap experts and “capologists”, act like they have a clue about how much each team can spend. I’m especially dumbfounded at Cowboys fans trying to use the cap as an excuse as to why the FO doesn’t spend more money to make this team better. As if 26 years of being a losing bottom five franchise isn’t enough, you have people here try to use the mythological cap hell as an excuse for the Jones boys and their side kick Slick Willy. If you want a player, any player, there is always a way to make room to get him. And there is always a way to get out of it when you decide it’s time. It comes down to if you care about winning, or you don’t care about losing. You see teams who supposedly had less money than the Cowboys go after top tier FA’s all the time. Don’t give me this crap about free agency not being important for winning teams. That’s a lie. Tell the Bucs that this year, or the Chiefs that last year when they each signed multiple big time free agents and eventually won the championship. Oh wait, the Eagles did the same thing a few years ago, and so did most of the teams that competed against the super bowl winners. Now you’re watching your favorite team be outspent by teams like the Giants and the Dolphins. Will they win the SB, we don’t know. But at least the owners give their fans hope or excitement. We debate this every year around this time in here. How many more years of losing while doing it this way until all of you just admit your wrong?

Whilst nowhere near an expert capologist I can at least point out some of the misconceptions in your post:

The present CAP availability isnt the primary issue. As we know the long contract that Jerry likes always allows us to restructure (so long as we dont mind reducing our overall CAP due to injury/form Dead money see Romo, Dez and Travis).

The two overriding CAP concerns are:
1) We are DEAD LAST in CAP availability is over each of the next 3 years and already in negative CAP for 2 of those 3. Meaning We aren't able to defer the payments (as the Giants did with Tomlinson and Golladay).
2) In the next 3 years the CAP gap between ourselves and EVERY TEAM in the top 16 teams is: 2022 - $41m, 2023 - $100m and 2024 - $87m.

The puts us in the position of:

a) We aren't in CAP 'Hell' as such as we can find some money through restructuring, however,
b) The money we free up will be used to keep our heads above water with JAGS to fill the gaps.
c) Over the next 3 years we'll never be able to compete with other teams in top end Free Agency as the disparity in available funds is too large and the number of possible interested teams is too high.
d) None capologists point to the new CBA and higher CAP levels, but as every team has the increase all this will do is raise the price of FA's, it wont make us more competitive in the market for difference makers.
e) The ONLY way we are going to markedly improve is via the draft. However, this is hit/miss as every team is looking for that under the radar star that falls in the draft.

We are what we are, but dont expect anything dramatic in Free Agency.....we dont have the CAP space

 

[Trajan]

We only had one legitimate capologist on this board .... AdamJT13 ....... And the Turds ran him off.

Yup he was the best, one of the best posters by far here, and the turds managed to run him off. I really miss his cap updates. Now, we are left with amateur's like all of us to try and muddle our way through the insanity.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Paragraphs bro

 

[conner01]

Every year, month, week, day, and hour, you can find a huge amount of differing “facts” as to how much money each team has to spend in free agency. I’m tired of hearing all of these so called cap experts and “capologists”, act like they have a clue about how much each team can spend. I’m especially dumbfounded at Cowboys fans trying to use the cap as an excuse as to why the FO doesn’t spend more money to make this team better. As if 26 years of being a losing bottom five franchise isn’t enough, you have people here try to use the mythological cap hell as an excuse for the Jones boys and their side kick Slick Willy. If you want a player, any player, there is always a way to make room to get him. And there is always a way to get out of it when you decide it’s time. It comes down to if you care about winning, or you don’t care about losing. You see teams who supposedly had less money than the Cowboys go after top tier FA’s all the time. Don’t give me this crap about free agency not being important for winning teams. That’s a lie. Tell the Bucs that this year, or the Chiefs that last year when they each signed multiple big time free agents and eventually won the championship. Oh wait, the Eagles did the same thing a few years ago, and so did most of the teams that competed against the super bowl winners. Now you’re watching your favorite team be outspent by teams like the Giants and the Dolphins. Will they win the SB, we don’t know. But at least the owners give their fans hope or excitement. We debate this every year around this time in here. How many more years of losing while doing it this way until all of you just admit your wrong?

Capoligist are master of spending more money than you have
I have an ex wife who would be very good at that

 

[Ranched]

Anyone having chicken tonight-------> runs

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You know what's funny to me? I see these kinds of threads, calling certain numbers into question, with regards to the cap and I have to wonder. I mean, lets face it, there are not 3 guys on this board that understand the cap better then the guy in Dallas who knows the numbers and yet, we seem to think that what the team tells us is some kind of lie. Well, why is that I wonder?

I mean, you can have a random poster say that based on information and published studies or whatever else, wearing a mask is a waste of time and that person will get crucified.

Now why is that? I mean, those two situations are similar in that you have people who are subject to info the majority of us are not and yet, on the one hand, we are completely willing to believe the guy in the chair, sitting in his living room and discount the guy who spends hours in an office somewhere, going over the financials. But the same guy in his living room, reading studies that dispute the validity of masks is completely eviscerated because he's essentially doing the same exact thing but with more information from scientific sources.

I mean, think about that for a second. Why is that?

 

[Big_D]

Maybe they aren’t spending because they don’t believe this current team has a shot.


It’s not a very good roster in reality. It’s best days are behind it with the current group and they locked them all down.

Some ridiculous cap figures in other areas tell a completely different story. All because Jerry's delusional enough to think he always has a shot.

 

[jnday]

Yep........Dak haters have now become Cowboy haters because the 4 year contract has locked them into 4 more years of being dead wrong. Their biggest nightmare is for Dak and the Cowboys to start winning games so they pout. And knowing that the chances of making the playoffs are higher with a weak NFC east it creates much frustration.

They almost have to admit that we are going to make the playoffs and then cry that its only because of a weak division. AS if its some kind of curse.

Truly the most pathetic fans in existence. Even worse than the ones that would champion Garrett as a great coach and our savior.

When Dak leads the team to a couple a Super Bowls or NFC Championships, we will be proved wrong. Dak can not live up to his contract . He is not a $40 million a year QB. Being a Dak fan instead of a Cowboys fan is the lowest form of fandom. Supporting the signing of a QB ,that is not even a top five QB, is putting Dak above what’s best for the team. In four years, maybe you will be able to see that.

 

[starman22]

True in a way, but it is the same crap over and over, just mince the words around a bit.
95% of the threads are whining the same crap over and over. And the same people post the same crap over and over.

And if a positive thread, or even positive NEWS comes out. The usuals crap all over it with their generic crap. They offer nothing of substance. Pretty pathetic.

I been skipping over quite a few threads depending the thread title. And also trying not to read many posts, as soon as I see the person, I skip it most of the time, as I know they offer no incite.

Well there's the whole "you can't build a team with Dak's contract" narrative.

Obviously this is a rah-rah Jones / Cowboys thread. Nothing wrong with that, we are fans of the team. So I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but if the front office couldn't build a championship caliber team with Dak on a rookie contract, why in the world would you think they would be able to do it with less money to devote to other positions?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Future]

Obviously this is a rah-rah Jones / Cowboys thread. Nothing wrong with that, we are fans of the team. So I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but if the front office couldn't build a championship caliber team with Dak on a rookie contract, why in the world would you think they would be able to do it with less money to devote to other positions?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

If they couldn't do it before, why do you think it would make a difference?

 

[erod]

Paragraphs are your friend.

 

[blueblood70]

What's just as tiresome and annoying is how many fans here think they are real GM's and think they have all the answers.
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[blueblood70]

Every year, month, week, day, and hour, you can find a huge amount of differing “facts” as to how much money each team has to spend in free agency. I’m tired of hearing all of these so called cap experts and “capologists”, act like they have a clue about how much each team can spend. I’m especially dumbfounded at Cowboys fans trying to use the cap as an excuse as to why the FO doesn’t spend more money to make this team better. As if 26 years of being a losing bottom five franchise isn’t enough, you have people here try to use the mythological cap hell as an excuse for the Jones boys and their side kick Slick Willy. If you want a player, any player, there is always a way to make room to get him. And there is always a way to get out of it when you decide it’s time. It comes down to if you care about winning, or you don’t care about losing. You see teams who supposedly had less money than the Cowboys go after top tier FA’s all the time. Don’t give me this crap about free agency not being important for winning teams. That’s a lie. Tell the Bucs that this year, or the Chiefs that last year when they each signed multiple big time free agents and eventually won the championship. Oh wait, the Eagles did the same thing a few years ago, and so did most of the teams that competed against the super bowl winners. Now you’re watching your favorite team be outspent by teams like the Giants and the Dolphins. Will they win the SB, we don’t know. But at least the owners give their fans hope or excitement. We debate this every year around this time in here. How many more years of losing while doing it this way until all of you just admit your wrong?

if you dont like it please change your avatar then go find another team and forum to whine in.. whining is not going to exact change...they dont read this, is not new news, you are adding nothing here but another whiny azz post..add to it about 14 others here on the front page about the EXACT subject, maybe the mods need to have one thread for all the FO doesnt spend enough money on FA threads..

when you get 10billion and add yourself to a waiting list(might take 10-20 years to actually have one come available maybe longer) to buy an NFL franchise and finally get one, you can do whatever you wish,,until then you are fan or not..we have zero control over the way the team is run and when you decide to still be fan, just watch football..

 

[JReed1000]

Maybe they aren’t spending because they don’t believe this current team has a shot.


It’s not a very good roster in reality. It’s best days are behind it with the current group and they locked them all down.

Your response SUCKS....Maybe they feel the current team DOES have a shot. Either way he's right. The Jones are CHEAP.