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One more thing Hos, to clear something up. Not so much of this was due to critism of Rob but the extra protection Pittdawg seemed to receive. It was like because of who he was you were not able to approach him and openly dispute him because of his status.
 

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SDogo;3309500 said:
I never accused you of writing any rules.
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3309416&postcount=16

1st paragraph...

"I was talking about how certain board members acted because he posted here and how new rules seemed to grow simply by his presence."

I don't know how I could assume you meant we made "new rules" when all you said was "new rules."

It seemed at the time to be more of a unwritten rule. Perhaps mods were protecting Pittdawg and were trying to quiet things before they got out of hand but it just seemed at the time criticism of Rob was being held to a different standard then other players because of his father.
I simply don't agree with this. There was no unwritten rule. There were no stricter standards. Posters felt it was over the top and they defended him. It was no different than the defense of Quincy Carter, Roy Williams, or any other controversial player.

I never recall anyone getting banned because of it either but I can promise you, if we were able to pull up old PM's the threat was made to myself for comments that were no more outrageous or personal then those I might make of any player. I wont say if this happened to other members, it's not my roll to speak for them.
I find this a little hard to believe. I know that it was before we used the infraction system, but it is completely against our policies on how we Moderate. The only thing we have changed in all the years I have been doing this is to go to an infraction system. We have NEVER banned, warned, or suspended anyone for their opinions unless racism or some other such gross ideology was involved.

Again, it's just at the time it did seem a rash of unwritten rules and standard seemed to follow Pittdawg around.
Your perception of it is wrong from where I sit. Posters defended him, but rules were not enacted.

There are no hard feelings over it. It's long passed. I have no reason to hold a grudge or for that matter make up any stories or dramatize how I felt. It's just how I remember it in my case and that of the other members I remember speaking to that felt the same way.
It has been my observation that posters immediately feel they are being challenged on the rules if a Mod has an opinion. That doesn't make it a rule. That is why I disagree with your perception. It strips the entire staff of the right to have their own opinions.

SDogo;3309510 said:
One more thing Hos, to clear something up. Not so much of this was due to critism of Rob but the extra protection Pittdawg seemed to receive. It was like because of who he was you were not able to approach him and openly dispute him because of his status.
he didn't receive any extra protection. He didn't run to us. I don't think he ever reported a post. Not even ones that were so over the top that they got deleted. Other fans here appreciated the guy and defended him. You didn't. Others didn't. Don't make it any more than that.
 

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Hostile;3309611 said:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3309416&postcount=16

1st paragraph...

"I was talking about how certain board members acted because he posted here and how new rules seemed to grow simply by his presence."

I don't know how I could assume you meant we made "new rules" when all you said was "new rules."

I simply don't agree with this. There was no unwritten rule. There were no stricter standards. Posters felt it was over the top and they defended him. It was no different than the defense of Quincy Carter, Roy Williams, or any other controversial player.

I find this a little hard to believe. I know that it was before we used the infraction system, but it is completely against our policies on how we Moderate. The only thing we have changed in all the years I have been doing this is to go to an infraction system. We have NEVER banned, warned, or suspended anyone for their opinions unless racism or some other such gross ideology was involved.

Your perception of it is wrong from where I sit. Posters defended him, but rules were not enacted.

It has been my observation that posters immediately feel they are being challenged on the rules if a Mod has an opinion. That doesn't make it a rule. That is why I disagree with your perception. It strips the entire staff of the right to have their own opinions.

he didn't receive any extra protection. He didn't run to us. I don't think he ever reported a post. Not even ones that were so over the top that they got deleted. Other fans here appreciated the guy and defended him. You didn't. Others didn't. Don't make it any more than that.

Like I said Hos, I know what I was told by a mod on this board more then once. I'm not going to make it up and I dont harbor any ill feelings toward them. This is not something I made up in my head or occurred during a debate where I disagreed with a mod, you should know me better then that.

I'm not hear to call a mod out or to even single out a poster. I swear on my children and everything I believe in and our friendship, I received more then one PM suggesting that it would be in my best interest to not attack Pittdawg and let me say, personal attacks were never made. Opinions were expressed directly to him about his sons play, opinions that should be expected if he was going to make himself available just as you would expect from any poster. With that statement I also stand by it when I say I was not the only one who received this PM.
 

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On a side note Hos, I had to laugh going back and look at some of the old threads. In one of them you were adimate that there was no way Rob would not be a Cowboys uniform in 2006 after starting the whole year as a rookie. You know I can say your never typically that far off in your judgments but reading some of those threads, you flunked 2005. lol
 

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SDogo;3309628 said:
On a side note Hos, I had to laugh going back and look at some of the old threads. In one of them you were adimate that there was no way Rob would not be a Cowboys uniform in 2006 after starting the whole year as a rookie. You know I can say your never typically that far off in your judgments but reading some of those threads, you flunked 2005. lol
Let me ask you a serious question. Can you name me any other rookie who started 16 games and was waived the next year? Just one. Any position.
 

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Hostile;3309648 said:
Let me ask you a serious question. Can you name me any other rookie who started 16 games and was waived the next year? Just one. Any position.

No I cant but I also cant think of a rookie who would of have had that type of year and not been replaced at some point. Heck, I cant think of a vet that would not of been replaced if they had that kind of year.
 

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SDogo;3309332 said:
Love ya man but I have a correction. The hate grew for him once it was "implied" that we need to walk on egg shells because his dad posted here.

It almost seemed as if he could not be judged in the same manner as any other player on the Cowboys because his dad posted here and it really did make the issue bigger then it needed to be. Many went out of there way in spite to criticize him.

Opinion be told, he deserved it. He was a human baffle gate but people took it to a personal level once they realized his father was here and were told to reduce the criticism.

I fixed it for ya. :rolleyes:
 

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I just feel that he got too much personal sounding hate. Pettiti gave all he had in the games and there was no reason for that hate.
 

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SDogo;3309763 said:
No I cant but I also cant think of a rookie who would of have had that type of year and not been replaced at some point. Heck, I cant think of a vet that would not of been replaced if they had that kind of year.
Then perhaps rather than take a shot at me, take a shot at Parcells. My guarantee would have been based on the fact that Parcells told him he'd die before he let him fail and then started him the entire season. My analysis of 2005 was off? No, I think I read the tea leaves just fine. The man in charge did something unheard of and broke a promise to the kid.
 

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Hostile;3309806 said:
Then perhaps rather than take a shot at me, take a shot at Parcells. My guarantee would have been based on the fact that Parcells told him he'd die before he let him fail and then started him the entire season. My analysis of 2005 was off? No, I think I read the tea leaves just fine. The man in charge did something unheard of and broke a promise to the kid.


No, no, no Hos........nothing to take personal! I was not taking a shot at you! It's just funny going back and reading those threads in hindsight is all. Damn man, When I have ever questioned you judgment? Like I said, for the most part your always pretty on your game. Dont take what I said the wrong way.
 

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THUMPER;3309788 said:
I fixed it for ya. :rolleyes:

Uh it was never an opinion. The guy was horrible, thus his exit after one year and inability to really catch on in the NFL. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
 

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SDogo;3310230 said:
No, no, no Hos........nothing to take personal! I was not taking a shot at you! It's just funny going back and reading those threads in hindsight is all. Damn man, When I have ever questioned you judgment? Like I said, for the most part your always pretty on your game. Dont take what I said the wrong way.
I didn't take it wrong.

I just think a guarantee he was going to be on the team based on 16 starts and a promise from his coach is not all that mind boggling. I liked the kid. I think he got thrown to the wolves.

Mostly I just really disagree with the contention that there were special rules here. I believe I would have been included in the discussions. I think people were overly rude to Pittdawg and he handled it well.

I will never again wish for a player's family to let the people here know who they are if they post. I was never more embarrassed of people on this site than those days.
 

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Hostile;3310261 said:
Mostly I just really disagree with the contention that there were special rules here. I believe I would have been included in the discussions. I think people were overly rude to Pittdawg and he handled it well.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
 

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ShiningStar;3308827 said:
There are no details in the contract except the words

"we'd rather die before we give up on Pettiti"


Immediately right after that statement, he was released.

:lmao:
 

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SDogo;3310279 said:
Well we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Yeah, because I am not going to budge. I know we didn't have special rules.
 

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Hostile;3310367 said:
Yeah, because I am not going to budge. I know we didn't have special rules.

Then a certain mod went against the grain with out sharing it with the rest of you because I assure you I received the PM's as certain as I'm sitting here breathing.
 

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SDogo;3310394 said:
Then a certain mod went against the grain with out sharing it with the rest of you because I assure you I received the PM's as certain as I'm sitting here breathing.
That may well be. I can't prove it never happened and I am not saying it didn't. We are all human. It was not in our rules and not discussed or enforced. Things that got people in trouble are the same things that will in any topic.

As I said, people were horribly out of line. If you were and someone stepped in then it happened. I remember being very on edge those days out of sheer embarrassment. I highly doubt I am the only person on the staff who was appalled.
 

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burmafrd;3309797 said:
I just feel that he got too much personal sounding hate. Pettiti gave all he had in the games and there was no reason for that hate.

This isn't little league where everyone gets a trophy for trying.

If you suck and are doing a terrible job, you are holding the team back.
 

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Hoofbite;3310573 said:
This isn't little league where everyone gets a trophy for trying.

If you suck and are doing a terrible job, you are holding the team back.

http://dl.***NOT-ALLOWED***/u/1608809/results.mp3
 
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