Carp reminds me of Randy White

[Bleu Star]

Carpenter can play either position IMO, but his pass rushing ability is utilized better at OLB. I like Burnett's athleticism, but I think his size is going to limit his snaps on any 3-4 team. I don't believe he'll ever be a starter in a cowboys uniform.

As for Hoyte, I think it was pretty clear that he's not an answer at linebacker. If he was, he would never have been tried at FB, he would have been developed at LB. I seem to recall something about him being far too stiff to play LB in the pros.

I think Carpenter will be fine at OLB this year. I'd like to draft tweeners like Zak Deossie as the measurables can't be ignored. If we could get a prospect like him to pan out at OLB, I'd like to move Carpenter back inside. Having three or four guys line up behind our front three that can play every linebacker position would be incredibly beneficial.

Spot on about Burnett. I believe he still has a lot to prove if he is to move up on the depth chart. Although Carp excelled on the outside towards the end of the season I still think he would be perfect on the inside lined up over the TE all the time. I attribute his improvement towards the end of the season mostly to him being moved to a position that requires less read and more react. I just hope I am not sitting here this season watching Bradie James lined up inside again. I don't believe even Wade can get James pointed in the right direction. He's too busy enjoying his contract...

 

[Bleu Star]

Just in case any of your Carp fans want a Carpenter sig pic, this is available.

http://img170.*************/img170/3687/carpenternx0.jpg

As far as the Randy White comparisons...it's kinda early for that...one thing I will say though, it appears that Carpenter has the same motor.

Now if he can show the same focus and intensity, we might have a gem.

That's all I was saying...

 

[Juke99]

That's all I was saying...

Well, then you

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Fact:
They play two different positions.

Personal Desire:
To have Wade move him to MLB for good to anchor the D.

Carry on.

And the Dominant 3-4 DT would be whom exactly ?
What about the aggressive ends ?

I am not trying to be a smart ***. I just dont think you have thought this move through thoroughly.

At this stage it might be a little early to move him to the MLB position, and sacrifice his talents without the great guy in the middle.

 

[tomson75]

And the Dominant 3-4 DT would be whom exactly ?
What about the aggressive ends ?

I am not trying to be a smart ***. I just dont think you have thought this move through thoroughly.

At this stage it might be a little early to move him to the MLB position, and sacrifice his talents without the great guy in the middle.

Ferguson played pretty good last year. However, we have virtually zero depth there, and he's not big enough to withstand a full game (or season) without wearing down. This needs to be addressed in the draft or through free agency. You're right though, we would be making a mistake putting Carp back there without a little more beef in the middle.

As for the aggressive ends...I think most of us are hoping that Phillips' more aggressive style of 3-4 will bring out the ability we all thought we were getting with Spears and Canty. They definitely have the potential...it just needs to be translated to the field. Time will tell.

 

[CF74]

Does anyone else see any similarities? When I think of both players the word "tenacious" comes to mind. We've already seen glimpses of it from Carp and we all know Randy White was a beast that played very much like an overachiever. They're similar in size and both wear the same number. Perhaps Carp is a Randy White fan.

# 54 Bobby Carpenter
Position: LB
Height: 6-2
Weight: 257

# 54 Randy White
Height: 6ft 4 inches
Weight: 257 lbs

He chose #54 for a reason. He didn't wear it in college. I was a gigantic Randy White fan and I have quickly become a Carp fan as well. Here's to more good things from Carp in the years to come hopefully at the MLB position as well. :toast2:

I think after dropping 50 lbs I'm gonna be in linebacker shape again and will purchase a Carpenter jersey

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Randy White bench press 520 lbs

Carpenter 350 lbs (I made this up) But strength is the difference

 

[WoodysGirl]

Too soon for me to make that comparison and they play different positions, though Randy was a LB for a time. I'm one of Carpenter's biggest fans. Last year when he wasn't active for games I was telling everyone to be patient. I will be thrilled if he can live up to another former #54 who did play LB...Chuck Howley.

Never saw Howley play. Could you elaborate on his play and what Carp would need to do to reach his level?

 

[5Stars]

Never saw Howley play. Could you elaborate on his play and what Carp would need to do to reach his level?

Another gental giant...off the field, wonderful...on the field...nasty!


Chuck Howley (born June 28, 1936 in Wheeling, West Virginia) was an American football linebacker who spent most of his career with the Dallas Cowboys.
Drafted out of West Virginia University by the Chicago Bears in the first round of the 1958 draft, Howley played for the Bears for two seasons before retiring after what appeared to be a career-ending knee injury during the 1959 season. When Howley decided to make a comeback in 1961 following a West Virginia alumni game, the Bears traded his rights to the Cowboys for draft picks.
Howley played with the Cowboys for 165 games over thirteen seasons, playing in two NFL Championships and helping the Cowboys to two Super Bowls. Howley was also named Super Bowl MVP for Super Bowl V, intercepting 2 passes and recovering a fumble in the Cowboys 16-13 loss. It was the first time that a defensive player received the honor and the first and so far only time a player from the losing team won the award. The following season, Dallas made it back to the Super Bowl, and again Howley had a great performance, recording a fumble recovery and an interception in the Cowboys 24-3 win. During his career, Howley intercepted 25 passes, returning them for 399 yards and 2 touchdowns. He also recovered 17 fumbles, returning them for 171 yards and 1 touchdown Howley also had a large number of tackles and quarterback sacks, but these statistics were not compiled until after Howley's career ended. He retired after the 1973 season.
In 1976, Howley was inducted into the Ring of Honor at Texas Stadium, the fourth player to receive that honor. However, he has not yet been inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

 

[tunahelper]

1. Both wear #54
2. Similar Height/Weight
3. White players
4. Randy started as a LB in NFL
5. Lets not put Carp in Canton yet!

 

[5Stars]

1. Both wear #54
2. Similar Height/Weight
3. White players
4. Randy started as a LB in NFL
5. Lets not put Carp in Canton yet!

When they start calling Carpenter names that are "part man and part monster"...then he will have arrived! As of now...not even close...

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Carp has a mean streak in him. I've seen it already. Randy had one as well. Hence the word tenacious... You're going nowhere with your assumption of what this post was about. I simply hope Carp turns out to be half the player Randy was. I guess he just chose #54 because he rolled a five and a four out in back of VR during the annual rookie crap shoot challenge.

Last time I saw that mean streak was at OSU.

I like him alot but he has yet to show the same passion he showed with the Buckeyes.

Then again, going from a college stud to getting blown up on kickoff team must be a shot on the pride.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Another gental giant...off the field, wonderful...on the field...nasty!


Chuck Howley (born June 28, 1936 in Wheeling, West Virginia) was an American football linebacker who spent most of his career with the Dallas Cowboys.
Drafted out of West Virginia University by the Chicago Bears in the first round of the 1958 draft, Howley played for the Bears for two seasons before retiring after what appeared to be a career-ending knee injury during the 1959 season. When Howley decided to make a comeback in 1961 following a West Virginia alumni game, the Bears traded his rights to the Cowboys for draft picks.
Howley played with the Cowboys for 165 games over thirteen seasons, playing in two NFL Championships and helping the Cowboys to two Super Bowls. Howley was also named Super Bowl MVP for Super Bowl V, intercepting 2 passes and recovering a fumble in the Cowboys 16-13 loss. It was the first time that a defensive player received the honor and the first and so far only time a player from the losing team won the award. The following season, Dallas made it back to the Super Bowl, and again Howley had a great performance, recording a fumble recovery and an interception in the Cowboys 24-3 win. During his career, Howley intercepted 25 passes, returning them for 399 yards and 2 touchdowns. He also recovered 17 fumbles, returning them for 171 yards and 1 touchdown Howley also had a large number of tackles and quarterback sacks, but these statistics were not compiled until after Howley's career ended. He retired after the 1973 season.
In 1976, Howley was inducted into the Ring of Honor at Texas Stadium, the fourth player to receive that honor. However, he has not yet been inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Thanks for the bio, but I was kinda looking for a more personal observation. Naturally I knew of Chuck Howley...I was just wanting Hos to elaborate on the two players from his perspective.

 

[5Stars]

Thanks for the bio, but I was kinda looking for a more personal observation. Naturally I knew of Chuck Howley...I was just wanting Hos to elaborate on the two players from his perspective.

I figured as much, WG...but, I went ahead and put this out there for others to read just in case they don't find the time or don't want to go find that info...

 

[Clove]

I saw Randy play, I see very little simularities. Possibly the mean streak, and if Carp has this, I will be extremely happy.

 

[Hostile]

Never saw Howley play. Could you elaborate on his play and what Carp would need to do to reach his level?

Thanks for the bio, but I was kinda looking for a more personal observation. Naturally I knew of Chuck Howley...I was just wanting Hos to elaborate on the two players from his perspective.

Howley was not only incredibly athletic, he had an uncanny knack for being in the right place to make a critical play. He put everything he had into the game on every single play, and because of that stuff just sort of happened around him. At the end of last year Carpenter was doing that. He went after the ball carrier, and even if he didn't get him he was in the area where he was part of the containment. As you gain more instincts for the game that begins to pay off big time.

Football is not just a physical game. If it was someone like Rod Hill would not have been the biggest bust in Cowboys draft history. Rod Hill had incredible athletic gifts. He had no instincts and he had no motor.

Chuck Howley might possibly be the greatest pure athlete that people have never heard of. He lettered in 5 sports in college at West Virginia. I'm not sure why, but George Halas was unable to bring out the monster inside Howley. Landry not only found it, he was probably the single most important piece of why the Flex Defense worked. Howley was that smart and that driven.

Carpenter in college and at the end of last year exhibited that same kind of drive. Take the game where he spied on Vick and kept him from running amok. That takes incredible intelligence and discipline to do. Then at the end of the year he even played some DT and recorded some sacks and a lot of pressures.

I just don't believe that is an accident that he was able to do so many different things including play ILB and switch back to SOLB. He has a gift, and that gift is football. That was Howley to a T.

Howley as most know was the MVP of Super Bowl V. If you watch the replays of Super Bowl VI the announcers say that of all the great Cowboys on that 1971 Defense Don Shula and his staff and players mostly feared Chuck Howley. For good reason, once he again he had big plays that turned the game and he easily could have been the MVP again if Roger had not been so brilliant.

I see that potential in Carpenter. The question is, will he see it?

I hope that answers your question. If anything needs clarifying please ask.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Thanks for the response Hos. I understand why some folks wanted to compare Carp to the Manster, but I think your comparison of his potential and Howley's play makes alot more sense.

 

[Rack]

He chose #54 for a reason. He didn't wear it in college.

1. He wouldn't be allowed to wear his college number in the pros.

2. Pretty sure I remember him reading that the number was given to him and that he didn't ask for it.

 

[jobberone]

I think they stand about the same in the normal LB stance. I think we may be seeing 54 and the stance and thinking of similarity.

Other than than that there is no similarity.

Charlie Waters said if he ever had to go down a dark alley there was no one else he'd rather have. Apparently no one ever messed with Randy. At the time he was much stronger than anyone on the team. And apparently meaner.

Urlacher reminds me of Howley. They play a lot alike. Neither one looked like they were doing much but they seemed to make a play.

 

[5Stars]

Here is a blurb about Howley from Garrisons book;

It’s a good thing he was such a great athlete because he didn’t know a thing about the Dallas defense. Howley had more common sense when it came to football than anybody I ever saw. But as far as knowing exactly where he was supposed to be and what he was supposed to do in Landry’s defense, he didn’t have a clue. Instead of Tom, he could have been playing for William and Mary.

Didn’t make no never mind to Howley. Wherever the ball went that’s where you’d find Hogmeat. (that was his nickname).

But Howley made more big plays, more interceptions, more big tackles for losses and recovered more fumbles than anybody I ever saw. But he was never where he was supposed to be. He just chased the ball. And he was such a phenomenal athlete, he could outrun, outmuscle and out jump everybody in his way.

***

Pat Toomay was a rookie and D. D. Lewis, who was playing middle linebacker at the time, called a “Jet” defense and Pat wasn’t sure what to do. So as they were lining up he whispered to Howley, “Hogmeat. What’ll I do?”

And Chuck says, “I don’t give a **** what you do. Just stay outta my way.”

The truth was Howley didn’t know and he didn’t care. He was like a rabid dog. As soon as they snapped the ball he was looking for someone to bite.