Carp vs Lawson? Did we goof again?

[CrazyCowboy]

dlynch: Hey Tim, are we dealing with another bust with Bobby Carpenter? When we picked him, I thought we received 2nd-round value with a mid first-round pick. Not only does he not start, he doesn't even make the travel squad. But his daddy was friends with Big Bill. Ugh.

Tim Cowlishaw: They drafted a player at a position where they had a lot of depth, then developed even more depth when Greg Eills came around and moved to outside linebacker. There really is no place for him to play until someone gets hurt. And he might be behind Kevin Burnett in development, too. So, yeah, good chance they missed the boat on this one, given their other needs.

Here is an answer from a real "expert"!

 

[Hiero]

Manny Lawson, the second first-round pick, started and had six solo tackles.
:bang2:

started because the 49ers have horrible olb's. :bang2:

 

[Hiero]

Here is an answer from a real "expert"!

tim cowlishaw sucks, and he sucks on around the horn. drafting lawson he wouldn't have played either, so that quote doesn't help you at all, it just compounds what we already know.
so we goofed, because we took a guy who didn't start, over a guy who would have even less chance to start? I mean cmon man that's the worst logic ever.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

started because the 49ers have horrible olb's. :bang2:

The real question is could Lawson have beat out Hoyte to be active. Carp didn't. That is something we just don't know right now.

 

[Hiero]

The real question is could Lawson have beat out Hoyte to be active. Carp didn't. That is something we just don't know right now.

IT IS THE SAME EXACT SITUATION. Neither one of them would play, and neither one of them would be on special teams, unless you want to be like the Vikings who played Greenway on special teams and foolishly lost him for the season. It is something we know right now, but people just do not understand how to put 2 and 2 together with some logical reasoning.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

IT IS THE SAME EXACT SITUATION. Neither one of them would play, and neither one of them would be on special teams, unless you want to be like the Vikings who played Greenway on special teams and foolishly lost him for the season. It is something we know right now, but people just do not understand how to put 2 and 2 together with some logical reasoning.

Dude, the only thing we know is Carp didn't beat out Hoyte. We have no idea (unless you have a crystal ball) what Lawson would have done here.

For all we know, he could have been cut or beaten out Hoyte or beaten out Burnett, whoever. All we can do is look at what he is doing with the Niners, and compare the results we have so far from Carp. Like I said, right now it is inconclusive.

 

[peplaw06]

Here is an answer from a real "expert"!

All Cowlishaw said is that we had other needs. Lawson still would have been a LB.

The thing is all this is in hindsight. It has been gone over ad nauseum... our LB last year was very thin, especially after all the injuries we saw. Bill got it in his mind that we weren't going to go through that again. So he decided to move Ellis to LB as an experiment. On draft day in April, we had ZERO inkling that Ellis would be amenable to the move, much less be as successful as we've heard. So we draft a LB. We also signed two LBs in free agency, one is on the team now.

If Ellis hadn't taken to the move, Carp would be dressing. Our LBs may be the deepest in the league. It's a good problem to have, considering last season. Lawson would be in the same boat.

Did we have other needs? Sure. Were they more pressing then? Arguable. Was there anyone available at 18 who wasn't a stretch that fit those needs? Don't think so. Are these needs more pressing now? Yes. But that's the nature of hindsight. All you whiners expect every move to be a perfect fit. It's not realistic. Get over it and move on.

 

[Stautner]

All Cowlishaw said is that we had other needs. Lawson still would have been a LB.

The thing is all this is in hindsight. It has been gone over ad nauseum... our LB last year was very thin, especially after all the injuries we saw. Bill got it in his mind that we weren't going to go through that again. So he decided to move Ellis to LB as an experiment. On draft day in April, we had ZERO inkling that Ellis would be amenable to the move, much less be as successful as we've heard. So we draft a LB. We also signed two LBs in free agency, one is on the team now.

If Ellis hadn't taken to the move, Carp would be dressing. Our LBs may be the deepest in the league. It's a good problem to have, considering last season. Lawson would be in the same boat.

Did we have other needs? Sure. Were they more pressing then? Arguable. Was there anyone available at 18 who wasn't a stretch that fit those needs? Don't think so. Are these needs more pressing now? Yes. But that's the nature of hindsight. All you whiners expect every move to be a perfect fit. It's not realistic. Get over it and move on.

Good post

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Manny Lawson, the second first-round pick, started and had six solo tackles.
:bang2:

lawson would play the same position as Ware, which would mean we would have to move ware somewhere else to put lawson in and with the way burnett has played behind ware, I am not sure if lawson would have played.

I think you are reaching here.

 

[dfense]

Manny Lawson, the second first-round pick, started and had six solo tackles.
:bang2:

They play different positions. Your point is moot.