Carpenter/Ayodele Week 7

[Vertigo_17]

Correct me if I am wrong. Defense whether 3-4 or 4-3 is not solely about creatively blitzing the quarterback. Defensive play and scheming is not one dimensional. It is also about effectively covering and smothering the opponent's offense by stopping the run and minimizing pass plays.

especially a Mike Zimmer defense

 

[JPM]

Wasn't Akin a DE at Purdue?

Yes he was.

 

[Stautner]

I don't know if I even want him playing if he's not ready.

If he's ready fine, but to rush him in there just so a few fans stop prematurely proclaiming him a bust isn't too bright IMO.

If Parcells plays Carpenter do you really think the reason behind it will be to appease some disgruntled fans?

 

[Stautner]

It's not the players folks or the talent level - it's the scheme. We're playing an outdated version of the 3-4 - just b/c you play a 3-4 does not mean you become Blitzburg. Pittsburgh is extremely creative in what they do and they bring the house quite often - us on the other hand play a base 3-4 modeled after what many Colleges did in the 70's! and then later the Giants.
Our version of the 3-4 is quite Simply Vanilla. We do not blitz enough and we never ever! run Blitz.

As I've said before, a quality pass rush starts with quality pass rushers.

Now, tell me who, other than a very inconsistent DeMarcus Ware, do we have now that has better pass rushing skills than the players we had 2 years ago?

Even some of what Ware has added (again, an "inconsistent" Ware) is offset by losing Glover's penetration in the middle.

Blitzing too often without quality pass rushers is inviting teams to burn us with big plays.

Blitzing is meant as a supplement to your pass rush, not as the ONLY source of it. If blitzing is the ONLY way to get pressure then the pass rushing personnel just isn't as strong as a team needs to have a consistent rush.

 

[CowboyJeff]

With Akin Ayodele most likely playing end in the nickel, and spears probably moving inside, that clearly means that this is Carpenters opportunity.

I think he is going to get some serious playing time to spell Ayodele at inside linebacker. I mean Parcells clearly isn't going to play Ayodele the entire game, it just isn't conducive as parcells would say to him being effective.

If this works out, maybe we'll see even more rotation with Ayodele being a standard in the nickel at end. He has experience playing defensive end in the 4-3, so hopefully this works out well.

Maybe this is why Glymph was brought up. I can see Glymph being the one who plays end in the nickel or spells Ayodele at LB in the nickel.

Jeff

 

[peplaw06]

If Parcells plays Carpenter do you really think the reason behind it will be to appease some disgruntled fans?

Not at all... but I think some here will interpret it that way.

 

[AbeBeta]

Not at all... but I think some here will interpret it that way.

or as an ego thing so he wouldn't have to admit it was a bad pick.

(note: I in no way endorse the statement that this was a bad pick)

 

[blindzebra]

It's not the players folks or the talent level - it's the scheme. We're playing an outdated version of the 3-4 - just b/c you play a 3-4 does not mean you become Blitzburg. Pittsburgh is extremely creative in what they do and they bring the house quite often - us on the other hand play a base 3-4 modeled after what many Colleges did in the 70's! and then later the Giants.
Our version of the 3-4 is quite Simply Vanilla. We do not blitz enough and we never ever! run Blitz.

We have 2 players that played the 3-4 in the past, Fergy and Canty, we are just 21 games into the 3-4 as a team...I have heard it takes a year and a half to two years to get comfortable in the scheme.

Add the fact that we have 3 starters in our front 7 in their SECOND YEAR IN THE NFL, and our starting center fielder is a ROOKIE...ya think maybe we play vanilla for a REASON?

By the end of this season, we will see more...moving Akin, Carpenter and Burnett around is serving more of a purpose than replacing Hatcher in the nickel, it gives us options in the rush and means teams can't just focus on Ware and Ellis, we can bring or drop anyone without blitzing, and that is the real bonus of the 3-4.

Plus we can slide from 3-4, to a 4-3, or the 4-2 by just replacing Fergy with Glenn.

 

[cowboyed]

especially a Mike Zimmer defense

Based on the emoticon I am assuming your reply is sarcastic or cynical. If so, I share your sentiment to some degree. But considering Zimmer has made a transition from 4-3 to 3-4 in a little over a year, you have to give him props. Maybe this defensive scheme will be applied with greater versatility as Zimmer and the player personnel become more seasoned with it.

Meanwhile, some of the onus of providing more pressure and sacks or covering receivers more effectively is being directed at players by Parcells. So it may not be Zimmer's lack of creativity or aggression.

Also are we not the No. 1 run stopping team in the NFL? And despite our perceived lack of sacks aren't we nevertheless a top ten sacking defense? We just don't have an overpowering defensive front at this point in time.

 

[ZeroClub]

With Akin Ayodele most likely playing end in the nickel, and spears probably moving inside, that clearly means that this is Carpenters opportunity.

That's interesting. So a ripple effect of the Hatcher injury is that Carpenter gets another opportunity chance to show that he can play.

So, is this how it works?:

If Carpenter can't play effectively in Ayodele's spot while Ayodele takes some snaps in Hatcher's spot, Ayodele moves back to his old spot and Glymph takes snaps in Hatcher's spot.

 

[Vertigo_17]

Based on the emoticon I am assuming your reply is sarcastic or cynical. If so, I share your sentiment to some degree. But considering Zimmer has made a transition from 4-3 to 3-4 in a little over a year, you have to give him props. Maybe this defensive scheme will be applied with greater versatility as Zimmer and the player personnel become more seasoned with it.

Meanwhile, some of the onus of providing more pressure and sacks or covering receivers more effectively is being directed at players by Parcells. So it may not be Zimmer's lack of creativity or aggression.

Also are we not the No. 1 run stopping team in the NFL? And despite our perceived lack of sacks aren't we nevertheless a top ten sacking defense? We just don't have an overpowering defensive front at this point in time.

Yes, I was being somewhat sarcastic. And you're correct - Zimmer's defensive philosophy has always emphasized stopping the run as the primary concern. For the most part, his Defenses have always done well in this aspect of the game. On the other hand, his defenses have not great success in pressuring the QB. You can argue it's the scheme or the players, although we now seem to have legitimate pass rushers in Ware and Ellis.

I'm not a Zimmer hater, but I'm also not sure that he's all that great either. Yes, he made the switch the 3-4 but don't forget this is BP's team and defensive philosophy. That's obviously gone a long way in easing the transition from the 4-3 scheme.

 

[cowboyed]

Yes, I was being somewhat sarcastic. And you're correct - Zimmer's defensive philosophy has always emphasized stopping the run as the primary concern. For the most part, his Defenses have always done well in this aspect of the game. On the other hand, his defenses have not great success in pressuring the QB. You can argue it's the scheme or the players, although we now seem to have legitimate pass rushers in Ware and Ellis.

I'm not a Zimmer hater, but I'm also not sure that he's all that great either. Yes, he made the switch the 3-4 but don't forget this is BP's team and defensive philosophy. That's obviously gone a long way in easing the transition from the 4-3 scheme.

I appreciate your reply vertigo. Nice to exchange viewpoints or make clarifications withouth chest swelling or persecution complex putdowns. Good point by the way about having capabable rushers. Maybe this is a case of Parcells can't have his cake and eat it too. If Zimmers' defensive emphasis is on consistently stopping the run, why is Parcells calling out players to be more pass rush aggressive?

 

[Natedawg44]

or as an ego thing so he wouldn't have to admit it was a bad pick.

(note: I in no way endorse the statement that this was a bad pick)

You can't say its a bad pick and you can't say its a good pick either until he actually does something on the field.