Carpenter??

[RiggoForever]

You may be right that one is mandatory the other voluntary however most players understand there is no difference between mandatory and voluntary. The ones who don’t understand that don’t last long.

Tell that to Plaxico Burress and Jeremy Shockey I know what you mean though, particularly for players on the bubble or trying to keep from being beaten out or cut.

 

[Doomsday101]

Tell that to Plaxico Burress and Jeremy Shockey

No doubt talent helps but even those guy start risking it when the talent starts to fall off.

 

[RiggoForever]

No doubt talent helps but even those guy start risking it when the talent starts to fall off.

I agree, team chemistry is vital, more vital then talent in some aspects IMO. When players start acting like they are above what the rest of the team its not a good thing.

 

[aikemirv]

I think its especially stupid when you consider he's not being allowed to participate in a Friday-Saturday-Sunday 5 practice weekend...not sure what pertinent stuff he'd be missing on a weekend

put it another way....it'd be perfectly ok for him to ditch class on Friday to go home to see family/friends for the weekend, but its not ok for him to go practice football?

Like Burmafrd said, its moronic

David

Not only that, but how many weekends and classes does he miss during football season. What is the difference, since it is not school related he can't miss the time?

 

[dbair1967]

In your opinion. I see nothing wrong with it and 3 days is not making or breaking anyone.

and thats your opinion...when you see coaches comment on this stuff, rookie missing mini camps is never considered good

just because there isnt pads and hitting doesnt mean it isnt important

again its 3 days, and its Friday-Saturday-Sunday...I dont know what he'd be missing in school for those days that would be considered critical

its a stupid rule, there's no way to argue ortherwise in all honesty...a kid being is choosing to play football professionally and its going to be his job..so what if he misses one Frioday of school late in his last school yr?

David

 

[Doomsday101]

and thats your opinion...when you see coaches comment on this stuff, rookie missing mini camps is never considered good

just because there isnt pads and hitting doesnt mean it isnt important

again its 3 days, and its Friday-Saturday-Sunday...I dont know what he'd be missing in school for those days that would be considered critical

its a stupid rule, there's no way to argue ortherwise in all honesty...a kid being is choosing to play football professionally and its going to be his job..so what if he misses one Frioday of school late in his last school yr?

David

True I only gave my opinion. Regardless of who like it and who doesn't the NFL and NCAA made this rule so kids would not have to choose between finishing College (which is important at least to some) and attending a 3 day mini camp. Sorry I think the degree means a bit more than 3 days in shorts but then that is just me.

 

[AbeBeta]

Friday saturday sunday. Its a pathetic joke. 3 days away from school and almost certainly no classes.

So you are discounting the fact that college students also need time to read and prepare for classes? to study for exams? to write papers? All right before the end of the quarter -- yeah, most students do well after missing 3-4 days during crunch time.

Here's a better idea. Schedule the freaking minicamps after final exams. OSU (and most quarter system schools) have finals that end next Thursday (6/8).

You schedule the minicamp next weekend instead of this on and there is no problem.

 

[Angus]

Maybe it's not the rule that is stupid but football players that sign with a school that won't let them participate in NFL minicamps until school is out. The rule has been there for a long time. Any kid that wants to avoid it can do it if he thinks about it before he matriculates.

 

[AbeBeta]

Maybe it's not the rule that is stupid but football players that sign with a school that won't let them participate in NFL minicamps until school is out. The rule has been there for a long time. Any kid that wants to avoid it can do it if he thinks about it before he matriculates.

Well, since 1000's of high school football players get college scholarships but never make it to the NFL -- I'd think that considering this when choosing a school would be a very poor way to decide where to go.

Many student-athletes choose Ohio State because it not only has an excellent football program but is an excellent academic institution -- one of the better combinations of education and athletics in the nation.

By your logic you would say -- screw OSU -- their schedule is going to make me miss a single 3-day minicamp. I'll get a worse education instead.

 

[burmafrd]

Its a joke to think that those three days means that the kid will not get his degree. THAT is pathetic. Its a stupid rule that makes no sense. Lets face it- the schools bend over backwards for those kids anyway so why not figure a way for them to get their schoolwork done by thursday instead of Friday.

 

[Alexander]

Its a joke to think that those three days means that the kid will not get his degree. THAT is pathetic. Its a stupid rule that makes no sense. Lets face it- the schools bend over backwards for those kids anyway so why not figure a way for them to get their schoolwork done by thursday instead of Friday.

It is a good faith gesture the NFL has made along with the NCAA to show a commitment to seeing that these athletes aren't lured away from school and lose out on their chance for a degree.

Stupid or not, that's the general principle.

 

[Angus]

I agree with you, Abersonc. What that means is the rule is not really important. Kids need a good education a great deal more than they need to protect their opportunity to participate in a mini camp.

 

[burmafrd]

Once again I challenge anyone to show why those 3 days - TWO OF THEM on the weekend- will make that much difference after FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE? Those three days MIGHT make the difference of making a team and having a career in pro football.

 

[Doomsday101]

It is a good faith gesture the NFL has made along with the NCAA to show a commitment to seeing that these athletes aren't lured away from school and lose out on their chance for a degree.

Stupid or not, that's the general principle.

Exactly and the truth is most of these guys are not going to make it in the NFL and will have to rely on their degrees to make a living so why make these kids have to choose? The NFL has no problem with this, the NCAA has no problem with this and honestly I have no problem with this. 3 days is not going to make or break any player trying to make it in the NFL

 

[Doomsday101]

Once again I challenge anyone to show why those 3 days - TWO OF THEM on the weekend- will make that much difference after FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE? Those three days MIGHT make the difference of making a team and having a career in pro football.

Those 3 days are not going to make or break anyone. We will be going through 2 a days in July and everyone will be there. The rookies have already went through their mini camps

 

[AbeBeta]

Its a joke to think that those three days means that the kid will not get his degree. THAT is pathetic. Its a stupid rule that makes no sense. Lets face it- the schools bend over backwards for those kids anyway so why not figure a way for them to get their schoolwork done by thursday instead of Friday.

Or teams could simply schedule minicamp a week later.

 

[AbeBeta]

Once again I challenge anyone to show why those 3 days - TWO OF THEM on the weekend- will make that much difference after FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE? Those three days MIGHT make the difference of making a team and having a career in pro football.

ummm, because it is right before finals. OSU (and most quarter system schools) have finals next week. Ya think that missing out on 3 full days of studying -- then being pretty much exhausted when you get back MIGHT screw you up a bit?

Also keep in mind that Carpenter could have taken summer courses to finish his degree prior to this quarter (likely only 3 classes) -- then he'd be able to participate all he wanted in minicamp.

It is a real shame you don't value education there Burm

 

[TheEnigma]

Once again I challenge anyone to show why those 3 days - TWO OF THEM on the weekend- will make that much difference after FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE? Those three days MIGHT make the difference of making a team and having a career in pro football.

You are of course assuming that no student does schoolwork on a weekend. While this may be more of the case earlier in the year, almost every student is studying that weekend before finals, be it those who slacked off the entire year or those who kept up with their studies.

I personally agree with the idea of changing the date of the minicamp as the best solution to the problem.

 

[dbair1967]

ummm, because it is right before finals. OSU (and most quarter system schools) have finals next week. Ya think that missing out on 3 full days of studying -- then being pretty much exhausted when you get back MIGHT screw you up a bit?

Also keep in mind that Carpenter could have taken summer courses to finish his degree prior to this quarter (likely only 3 classes) -- then he'd be able to participate all he wanted in minicamp.

It is a real shame you don't value education there Burm

I value education but I also 100% agree with Burm...its a stupid rule

and its not like he is practicing 24 hrs a day straight for 3 days...the guy would have time to study while in town...I'm also quite sure that most players this applies to (ie, the talented ones who are clearly going to playing on Sundays) are taking rocket science type classes right now anyway...even if he stays on campus, he VERY likely wouldnt be studying the whole time anyway

David