Carr Sidesteps Contract Discussion; But Expects To Return For 2016 Season

[Idgit]

Carr still holds all the leverage. Until someone is brought in that is better he has no reason to restructure.

He actually has no leverage. He's in the last year of a deal that way above market. We've gotten our best CB back, signed Mo for another year, and are in the market for a replacement for either Mo, Carr, or both next season. That's going to happen in either the draft of FA here.

What happens with Carr's salary is going to happen. It's going to be after the draft and before the start of camp. There's no reason for either party to force a cut right now.

 

[Alexander]

The easiest solution is for him (Carr) to accept a pay cut and have the Cowboys contribute that amount to his charity. Hopefully, it's legal.

Unlikely.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Unlikely.

I know; it's worth a shot, though.

 

[BigStar]

He actually has no leverage. He's in the last year of a deal that way above market. We've gotten our best CB back, signed Mo for another year, and are in the market for a replacement for either Mo, Carr, or both next season. That's going to happen in either the draft of FA here.

What happens with Carr's salary is going to happen. It's going to be after the draft and before the start of camp. There's no reason for either party to force a cut right now.

I hope you're correct and he is flat out cut after the draft. Tired of this paycut placating bidness. Admit the mistake and mo on...good for him if he can get 9M on the market or 5 with a paycut, etc. His production can be replaced; teams were ultra conservative against this D last year and we still couldn't stop anyone on 3rd down when it mattered to close out games. His value to this team should be in the Claiborne range (if at all) and there's no paycut to justify that (for him especially).

 

[DenCWBY]

I like the guy, just not his salary...if they can work something out financially, great...if not, they need to move on...I know MANY on here are batass crazy to dump him, but I don't agree with creating yet another hole for this defense

I've given him a hard time on CZ since IMO he's not lived up to his contract with his play. He's a good person and I guess these days sadly (given the industry he's in) you have to give him kudos for being a good person on/off the field.
Since this his last contract year I hope he has incentive to play hard to earn another contract for a few more years. Watch him come up with 10+ pics this year and then go to another team as a FA with a brand new high $$ contract. I wouldn't be surprised and guess I could not blame him.

 

[jazzcat22]

I like the guy, just not his salary...if they can work something out financially, great...if not, they need to move on...I know MANY on here are batass crazy to dump him, but I don't agree with creating yet another hole for this defense

Right, we had him this long at his contract amount, so what will another year hurt if we are good with the cap. Let him play out the contract. Obviously there are not any CB's out there to come in and replace him and his knowledge of the D. Though some will chirp he doesn't know it. LOL.

 

[jazzcat22]

Carr's contract was the going rate at the time, and he was considered the best FA at CB at that time. You cannot fault Carr. Most people say he is not worth that amount based on his play, which is true.
Too many had higher expectations, even along the lines of Deion type play. He is in his last year, deal with it and move on. Would i want to replace him if we could, yes, we all want that. But it is not likely depending what happens in the draft.

 

[Idgit]

I hope you're correct and he is flat out cut after the draft. Tired of this paycut placating bidness. Admit the mistake and mo on...good for him if he can get 9M on the market or 5 with a paycut, etc. His production can be replaced; teams were ultra conservative against this D last year and we still couldn't stop anyone on 3rd down when it mattered to close out games. His value to this team should be in the Claiborne range (if at all) and there's no paycut to justify that (for him especially).

I'd be fairly surprised if they cut him. It wasn't a mistake to add him to the roster. He's not a bad player at the position. It was a mistake to overpay him, but that's what happens in FA if you sign young players at positions of need. But I do expect them to get the pay cut.

It's not happening now, because the focus has moved to preparing for the draft. And because the draft will fill DB vacancies across the league and improve the team's negotiating position as a result. And because there's always a chance we get players we really like in the draft and it changes how we might handle the Carr renegotiation. Either way, if we save him for a 6/1 release, it works to our benefit.

This defense has a bunch of issues, and we need to upgrade the talent at every level across the board. But the best way to go about that is not to open up a significant hole heading into the draft. Pick the best players you can, and then see what you've got and go from there. If you absolutely can't get your DB for some reason, it might change what they do with Carr, but the chances of that are low as so much of their secondary is going to be up for grabs next season. They have to get in position to take some DBs this draft to give them options for 2017.

 

[BigStar]

I'd be fairly surprised if they cut him. It wasn't a mistake to add him to the roster. He's not a bad player at the position. It was a mistake to overpay him, but that's what happens in FA if you sign young players at positions of need. But I do expect them to get the pay cut.

It's not happening now, because the focus has moved to preparing for the draft. And because the draft will fill DB vacancies across the league and improve the team's negotiating position as a result. And because there's always a chance we get players we really like in the draft and it changes how we might handle the Carr renegotiation. Either way, if we save him for a 6/1 release, it works to our benefit.

This defense has a bunch of issues, and we need to upgrade the talent at every level across the board. But the best way to go about that is not to open up a significant hole heading into the draft. Pick the best players you can, and then see what you've got and go from there. If you absolutely can't get your DB for some reason, it might change what they do with Carr, but the chances of that are low as so much of their secondary is going to be up for grabs next season. They have to get in position to take some DBs this draft to give them options for 2017.

He should have been cut last off season w no restructure if I remember correctly. The team even seemed to do it (not restructure him to create more room) so they could purposely cut him this off season if he continued to be average; which he did. I don't see cutting Carr as creating a significant hole at all, if anything I would take a rookie 4th rounder's potential or Mo over his 9M averageness. Marinelli prefers zone anyway...CHI DC, etc.

I don't blame Carr for his actions or the initial signing by the team.

 

[big dog cowboy]

What I will tell you is that I just love being a Cowboy; I love being in Dallas and the community. I look forward to playing another year.”

Considering what he has been paid, I would too.

 

[MRV52]

No one says he isn't an NFL player. Just that he isn't a top cb (for his price tag). Yes he makes tackles, but he doesn't make plays (int's or knock the ball down).

Once again fix the pass rush and our DB's will play really well.

 

[Idgit]

He should have been cut last off season w no restructure if I remember correctly. The team even seemed to do it (not restructure him to create more room) so they could purposely cut him this off season if he continued to be average; which he did. I don't see cutting Carr as creating a significant hole at all, if anything I would take a rookie 4th rounder's potential or Mo over his 9M averageness. Marinelli prefers zone anyway...CHI DC, etc.

That's probably the difference in our positions, then. Carr's a legitimate starter in my book. There's no way I'd consider replacing him in the lineup with a rookie 4th round pick. I'd definitely make him take the pay cut, though.

If I did add a rookie CB that I was comfortable with, and if I could find a vet CB to add to the mix, I would cut him if he didn't take the pay cut. I just don't see any way he doesn't cut his salary down to at least what he considers a small premium over current market rate for a player of his age and ability. We might disagree on what that number is, too, but it's going to be a lot lower than his current number, no matter what.

 

[BigStar]

That's probably the difference in our positions, then. Carr's a legitimate starter in my book. There's no way I'd consider replacing him in the lineup with a rookie 4th round pick. I'd definitely make him take the pay cut, though.

If I did add a rookie CB that I was comfortable with, and if I could find a vet CB to add to the mix, I would cut him if he didn't take the pay cut. I just don't see any way he doesn't cut his salary down to at least what he considers a small premium over current market rate for a player of his age and ability. We might disagree on what that number is, too, but it's going to be a lot lower than his current number, no matter what.

That's fair.

 

[Kaiser]

He actually has no leverage. He's in the last year of a deal that way above market. We've gotten our best CB back, signed Mo for another year, and are in the market for a replacement for either Mo, Carr, or both next season. That's going to happen in either the draft of FA here.

What happens with Carr's salary is going to happen. It's going to be after the draft and before the start of camp. There's no reason for either party to force a cut right now.

Yup, time and leverage favors the team and not Carr. He absolutely has to take a pay cut, but if Dallas thinks Ramsey is a CB and drafts him they will likely cut him outright no matter what.

It gives the team options, there are also a lot of good CBs in the 2nd or 3rd round who wouldn't have to start but would be a good rotational player as a rookie. If they pick someone like that, they could still bring Carr back but would have even more leverage in how much of a pay cut to force on him.

 

[DogFace]

If he made of couple more plays I'd like him better.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Carr's options:

1. Calls Cowboys bluff, still collects 2016 base salary of $9,100,000 spread out over 17 weeks.
2. Refuses paycut, gets released. Receives 0 additional dollars from Cowboys, but signs contract with new team which equals more guaranteed money with signing bonus.
3. Takes paycut, loses money.

Carr has the leverage Fanboys.

 

[casmith07]

None of this matters to anybody here. So weird that so many people care about what other people make.

 

[casmith07]

The best fit here, financially, is to extend him to retain his services and spread the $9.1M out over the next three seasons, thereby reducing the cap hit.

They could also sign him into an extension and pay the $9.1M due this year in a signing bonus, thereby reducing the cap hit and allowing them an out from the contract in a season or two.

I think an extension will happen. He might see $1-3M less over the life of the deal from his original deal, but it will pay him "more" for the next few years and he'll be able to rest easy that there's no contract issues.

Lastly, anybody thinking that both sides didn't already know this when the restructure was performed a few years ago are kidding themselves.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He should have been cut last off season w no restructure if I remember correctly. The team even seemed to do it (not restructure him to create more room) so they could purposely cut him this off season if he continued to be average; which he did. I don't see cutting Carr as creating a significant hole at all, if anything I would take a rookie 4th rounder's potential or Mo over his 9M averageness. Marinelli prefers zone anyway...CHI DC, etc.

I don't blame Carr for his actions or the initial signing by the team.

I think you're mistaking board and media narrative as opposed to what the actual decisionmaking was.

Marinelli prefers whatever his secondary coach is running it seems. We ran a man-robber scheme last year. Henderson was the pass defense coordinator but was replaced by Eberflus. I'm interested to see what happens this year. You could be right that we go back to more zone or entirely back to the cover 3 scheme we had. Could be something completely different. Sure seems like Eberflus is being groomed.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The best fit here, financially, is to extend him to retain his services and spread the $9.1M out over the next three seasons, thereby reducing the cap hit.

They could also sign him into an extension and pay the $9.1M due this year in a signing bonus, thereby reducing the cap hit and allowing them an out from the contract in a season or two.

I think an extension will happen. He might see $1-3M less over the life of the deal from his original deal, but it will pay him "more" for the next few years and he'll be able to rest easy that there's no contract issues.

Lastly, anybody thinking that both sides didn't already know this when the restructure was performed a few years ago are kidding themselves.

I have a much easier answer: