Carson Wentz stats no one wants to talk about

[Kolemmitt]

Lynch improved every year in college, had one of the best statistical seasons of any QB last year, and brought his team to a record number of wins.

Lynch made his team better, much better. On the other hand, NDSU was a FCS machine before Wentz got there and did not skip a beat when he got hurt. I am not anti-Wentz, but that it does give me major pause.

 

[reddyuta]

The stat that I found at least a little interesting was that last year his team was 5-2 with him and 8-0 without him.

NDSU can win without a QB,they are that good.

To respond to, expand on my own question, I find the lack of interest in Lynch to be interesting. The pros for Wentz is that he has the ideal "look" of an NFL QB. But Lynch has better physical attributes across the board. The cons against Wentz are that his team was better without him, he played against bad competition, and his game wasn't as sharp as other QBs. But Lynch's team was great with him, he played against better competition, and he had one of the most impressive years of any QB last year. The pros for Goff are that he was an excellent QB in college. But Lynch was better than him last year. Goff had the far more consistent career, but Lynch improved every year. The cons against Goff are that he lacks ideal size and that he didn't win many games in college. Like I already said, Lynch has the best size of any QB in the draft and his team had excellent success this year. You could argue that Goff plays against the toughest competition out of all the 3 QBs, which is true, but the Pac 12 had a down year and Cal was still awful. Lynch had his team undefeated for most of the season.

Memphis has NO talent across the board,i doubt they win 2 games without Lynch.all their top receivers were walk ons!!

 

[LocimusPrime]

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/116339/grudens-qb-camp-jared-goff-and-carson-wentz

When under duress in 2015, Wentz completed 28.9 percent of his passes and converted a first down 15 percent of the time, which are both significantly lower percentages than the Power 5 average.

Wentz completed 24.2 percent of his passes of that distance (21+yards) and was off-target (a pass that was overthrown, underthrown or wide) on nearly half of his attempts in limited action in 2015.

Discuss

Man I hope he doesnt turn out to be an EJ Manuel/ locker caliber qb if we take him. But if someone else takes him, I hope he turns out to be a Geno smith, freeman caliber qb.

 

[texbumthelife]

 

[lkelly]

Those under pressure numbers remind me of Hack. They scream to every defensive coordinator, "Blitz Me!" Of course they were going to be doing that to a rookie regardless.

 

[9darter]

Yeah, maybe all of these QBs will stink it up in the NFL.

I am still drafting one.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm sure Risen can explain that little tidbit for us, since he thinks Wentz is a better prospect than Luck was when he was coming out.

You think he is serious? I take his bit mostly to be a comment on people that see any player as a savior and hypes them up. He's ridiculing Wentz fandom.

I don't like Wentz so I don't have a stake here but that is just what he does. He'll pick another 3rd day draft pick particularly if we trade up for him and make similar diatribes. He'll make them herculean instead of the messianic you see here but it's the same joke.

 

[mattjames2010]

Yeah, maybe all of these QBs will stink it up in the NFL.

I am still drafting one.

So basically, forget the prospect just focus on the position?

 

[Fredd]

no QB in round 1 for me please

 

[conner01]

Goff has always been the better prospect. I'm not entirely sure why anyone would say otherwise, film clearly shows this. UNLESS someone is basing this on Wentz athleticism making his ceiling a bit higher.

I can see the appeal with Wentz, but as of right now, Goff is more NFL ready.

I don't think anyone would argue Wentz is more ready to play now than Goff. But neither is what they will be in the future. Payton manning set a record for ints his first year, but he got better as the good ones always do. It's really about projecting what they will be in 4 or 5 years.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Gotta say those numbers are ugly.

 

[LocimusPrime]

You think he is serious? I take his bit mostly to be a comment on people that see any player as a savior and hypes them up. He's ridiculing Wentz fandom.

I don't like Wentz so I don't have a stake here but that is just what he does. He'll pick another 3rd day draft pick particularly if we trade up for him and make similar diatribes. He'll make them herculean instead of the messianic you see here but it's the same joke.

Thats exactly what hes doing. Jedi mind tricking some Gungans

 

[bodi]

Those under pressure numbers remind me of Hack. They scream to every defensive coordinator, "Blitz Me!" Of course they were going to be doing that to a rookie regardless.

but hold it we have one of the best O lines in football

plus I don't see him starting for a couple of years

 

[sbark]

Goff has always been the better prospect. I'm not entirely sure why anyone would say otherwise, film clearly shows this. UNLESS someone is basing this on Wentz athleticism making his ceiling a bit higher.

I can see the appeal with Wentz, but as of right now, Goff is more NFL ready.

Goff got out shown by a FCS transfer, who never did didly there.........transferred to Oregon, led the nation in Qb efficiency, went 9-4, almost beat Mich St and TCU --FBS champ contenders. Goff stuggled to win 14 games in 3 years, and this FCS transfer won 9 walking in to it his Sr. year..........Goff is Steve Walsh 2.0

 

[sbark]

Gotta say those numbers are ugly.

Look at Wentz and NDSU turnover stats.........Wentz agreed with the coaching staff----------don't turn the ball over. They basically mirrored the 2014 Cowboys : smashmouth run game, no turnovers and play D............and because Wentz's stats drop on plays he recognizes as busted--he gets slammed?

NDSU has set and reset time of possesion records over the past 5 years for entire college football, not just FCS, but FBS and FCS........they control the ball, don't turn it over and play solid cover 2 D. I well imagine Wentz could've forced some play--got a bunch of stats, turned it over some----its not his teams mentality, and that has put them in position for 5 Natl Championships.........might as well say 8 with a Soph QB (Stitch) who went 8-0 and believes in the same philosophy......don't turn it over, don't worry about personal stats at the team expense.

Sure Romo makes some magical plays when things breakdown........but outside of Cowboy'dom.........he is more known (regretfully) for his miscue's, now matter how they came about...........

 

[Hardline]

I said it once and I'll say it again.

Carson Wentz is NOT a franchise QB.
We are looking at the tallest midget contest for this year's QB group.

 

[mattjames2010]

Goff got out shown by a FCS transfer, who never did didly there.........transferred to Oregon, led the nation in Qb efficiency, went 9-4, almost beat Mich St and TCU --FBS champ contenders. Goff stuggled to win 14 games in 3 years, and this FCS transfer won 9 walking in to it his Sr. year..........Goff is Steve Walsh 2.0

I'm not interested in the "wins" bullcrap. Stop bringing it up. Most scouts agree: Goff is the better prospect.

 

[AzorAhai]

I'm not interested in the "wins" bullcrap. Stop bringing it up. Most scouts agree: Goff is the better prospect.

Pretty ridiculous that a fan of the Cowboys during the Romo era would point to wins as the determining factor when evaluating QB play.

 

[sbark]

I'm not interested in the "wins" bullcrap. Stop bringing it up. Most scouts agree: Goff is the better prospect.

Winning is habit......basic premise of coaching in sports. It is a real factor.

correction......some scouts might feel he is the better prospect now, but majority see him leveling off, with Wentz's ceiling much higher. Pretty much like when J.Johnson drafted both Aikman and Steve Walsh.........it didn't take him long to see the superior physical attributes translate into the NFL long term. Goff has too much of the Calif.cool..........not really sure he is 100% into playing the game of football and all that goes with it......not fully invested.

We criticize Conner Cook for his non-leader attributes, and yet we have Goff, literally throwing his college OLine under the bus on J.Gruden QB show....what does that tell us about him. His OLine gave up what... 34 sacks, the Cowboys gave up 36 last year I believe it was...........is Goff going to pull the same crap?

 

[Denim Chicken]

Let Philly give up the farm for him. Please.