Carson Wentz stats no one wants to talk about

[Stash]

To respond to, expand on my own question, I find the lack of interest in Lynch to be interesting. The pros for Wentz is that he has the ideal "look" of an NFL QB. But Lynch has better physical attributes across the board. The cons against Wentz are that his team was better without him, he played against bad competition, and his game wasn't as sharp as other QBs. But Lynch's team was great with him, he played against better competition, and he had one of the most impressive years of any QB last year. The pros for Goff are that he was an excellent QB in college. But Lynch was better than him last year. Goff had the far more consistent career, but Lynch improved every year. The cons against Goff are that he lacks ideal size and that he didn't win many games in college. Like I already said, Lynch has the best size of any QB in the draft and his team had excellent success this year. You could argue that Goff plays against the toughest competition out of all the 3 QBs, which is true, but the Pac 12 had a down year and Cal was still awful. Lynch had his team undefeated for most of the season.

How was Lynch "better than" Goff last year? What are you basing that opinion on?

 

[Stash]

Goff got out shown by a FCS transfer, who never did didly there.........transferred to Oregon, led the nation in Qb efficiency, went 9-4, almost beat Mich St and TCU --FBS champ contenders. Goff stuggled to win 14 games in 3 years, and this FCS transfer won 9 walking in to it his Sr. year..........Goff is Steve Walsh 2.0

What a load of crap! It's amazing what some people will try to twist as truth to fit their agenda.

 

[Stash]

Look at Wentz and NDSU turnover stats.........Wentz agreed with the coaching staff----------don't turn the ball over. They basically mirrored the 2014 Cowboys : smashmouth run game, no turnovers and play D............and because Wentz's stats drop on plays he recognizes as busted--he gets slammed?

NDSU has set and reset time of possesion records over the past 5 years for entire college football, not just FCS, but FBS and FCS........they control the ball, don't turn it over and play solid cover 2 D. I well imagine Wentz could've forced some play--got a bunch of stats, turned it over some----its not his teams mentality, and that has put them in position for 5 Natl Championships.........might as well say 8 with a Soph QB (Stitch) who went 8-0 and believes in the same philosophy......don't turn it over, don't worry about personal stats at the team expense.

Sure Romo makes some magical plays when things breakdown........but outside of Cowboy'dom.........he is more known (regretfully) for his miscue's, now matter how they came about...........

So you'll praise one guy for having a loaded team around him and "not forcing plays" while trying to criticize the other guy for having a crap team around him and having to win games by himself?

How hypocritical.

 

[AKATheRake]

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/116339/grudens-qb-camp-jared-goff-and-carson-wentz

When under duress in 2015, Wentz completed 28.9 percent of his passes and converted a first down 15 percent of the time, which are both significantly lower percentages than the Power 5 average.

Wentz completed 24.2 percent of his passes of that distance (21+yards) and was off-target (a pass that was overthrown, underthrown or wide) on nearly half of his attempts in limited action in 2015.

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Shhhhhhhhh! Let Cleveland take him.

The stat that I found at least a little interesting was that last year his team was 5-2 with him and 8-0 without him.

Shhhhhhhhh! Let Cleveland take him.

 

[9darter]

So basically, forget the prospect just focus on the position?

Focus on your scouts (if they like one of the prospects, and that prospect is there at 4 - or make a trade up to get one, if possible and reasonable), positional value and the cost of drafting at 4. Obviously - what else?

Certainly not focus on nonsense such as "the bust rate is too high", "you never really know if a QB will make it at the pro level" etc.

That's why I made the comment.

 

[LandryFan]

Thats exactly what hes doing. Jedi mind tricking some Gungans

Yep. I think RS and Gimmetheball are two of the more interesting posters here. I think both are nothing like they portray themselves to be. They have created these alter egos and most haven't picked up on that. I know a lot of posters here don't care for either of them, but I believe they're both very bright and knowledgeable people and would be interesting to sit down over a beer with. That's just my personal take.

 

[sbark]

So you'll praise one guy for having a loaded team around him and "not forcing plays" while trying to criticize the other guy for having a crap team around him and having to win games by himself?

How hypocritical.

nope.......I criticize him for throwing his teammates under the bus, 23 fumbles and only 14 wins from a supposed NFL caliber QB...look at the diff Romo makes, I'd say the effect of having a NFL caliber qB is multiplied in college....or should be.

.I posted yesterday a comment from a Cal area newspaper---the OLine had size, and talent, it was more coaching in their estimation. why not throw the coaches under the bus also then.....

The kid exhibits too much Calif. cool..........no fire in his belly except 6 months after the fact when he unloads on his teammates.......and we blast C. Cook for not being a team captain.

 

[Stash]

nope.......I criticize him for throwing his teammates under the bus,

Where? Produce the information to support this claim.

23 fumbles and only 14 wins from a supposed NFL caliber QB...look at the diff Romo makes, I'd say the effect of having a NFL caliber qB is multiplied in college....or should be.

43 touchdowns and you're trying to claim that he didn't do his part? That's laughable! No quarterback, no matter how great can win games single-handedly. It's ignorant to think otherwise.

I posted yesterday a comment from a Cal area newspaper---the OLine had size, and talent, it was more coaching in their estimation. why not throw the coaches under the bus also then.....

I'd like to see that article. Cal's offensive line was trash, and Goff was forced to get rid of the ball in under 3 seconds an attempt to make up for it. And the better the opponent was, the worse they performed. USC in particular lived in their backfield. Goff never had a quality line or blocking in front of him. And he got the job done despite that.

The kid exhibits too much Calif. cool..........no fire in his belly except 6 months after the fact when he unloads on his teammates.......and we blast C. Cook for not being a team captain.

Cool term, even if it's totally inaccurate. "No fire in his belly"? Laughable. You try going out there every week for three years knowing that everyone around you will fail to do their jobs and you'll lose despite doing everything you could personally. Goff had to look down the barrel of a gun on practically every pass attempt, and the guy doesn't flinch.

 

[dbonham]

Yep. I think RS and Gimmetheball are two of the more interesting posters here. I think both are nothing like they portray themselves to be. They have created these alter egos and most haven't picked up on that. I know a lot of posters here don't care for either of them, but I believe they're both very bright and knowledgeable people and would be interesting to sit down over a beer with. That's just my personal take.

For real, I think we'll see RS wrestling women soon then faking his death

 

[Yakuza Rich]

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/116339/grudens-qb-camp-jared-goff-and-carson-wentz

When under duress in 2015, Wentz completed 28.9 percent of his passes and converted a first down 15 percent of the time, which are both significantly lower percentages than the Power 5 average.

Wentz completed 24.2 percent of his passes of that distance (21+yards) and was off-target (a pass that was overthrown, underthrown or wide) on nearly half of his attempts in limited action in 2015.

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Doesn't surprise me. His accuracy at this point in time isn't there. However, it's largely due to inconsistent mechanics. He would look great 1 play and then the next play his mechanics were terrible.

I love his upside, but I don't see how he is a better prospect than Lynch. Lynch was more accurate, has a quicker release, likely better arm strength, can run just as well and played for a team that had almost 0 offensive talent around him while playing against some really good defenses like Ole Miss, Navy, Temple and Houston. Wentz played against far lower level competition for a team that had superior talent to their opponents.

I think Wentz could develop into a great QB, but nobody has even come close to convincing me that he's better than Lynch.




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[RJ_MacReady]

...and yet we have Goff, literally throwing his college OLine under the bus on J.Gruden QB show....what does that tell us about him. His OLine gave up what... 34 sacks, the Cowboys gave up 36 last year I believe it was...........is Goff going to pull the same crap?

I watched Gruden's QB show on all of the 2016 QBs and I don't recall Goff even mentioning anything about his line or protection. Out of all of the QB's on that show, Goff actually acted/responded the most level-headed and not rehearsed/nervous like the other QBs. Are you sure you're not thinking about Hackenberg?

 

[Stash]

nope.......I criticize him for throwing his teammates under the bus, 23 fumbles and only 14 wins from a supposed NFL caliber QB...look at the diff Romo makes, I'd say the effect of having a NFL caliber qB is multiplied in college....or should be.

.I posted yesterday a comment from a Cal area newspaper---the OLine had size, and talent, it was more coaching in their estimation. why not throw the coaches under the bus also then.....

The kid exhibits too much Calif. cool..........no fire in his belly except 6 months after the fact when he unloads on his teammates.......and we blast C. Cook for not being a team captain.

Here's a nice article with direct quotes from his coach. A great read for those interested:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dinator-dispels-myths-regarding-qb-jared-goff

 

[Stash]

I watched Gruden's QB show on all of the 2016 QBs and I don't recall Goff even mentioning anything about his line or protection. Out of all of the QB's on that show, Goff actually acted/responded the most level-headed and not rehearsed/nervous like the other QBs. Are you sure you're not thinking about Hackenberg?

I didn't see it either. That's why I'm asking him to back up his claims. We'll see if that happens. If it doesn't, we'll know who's full of **** around here.

 

[mattjames2010]

Winning is habit......basic premise of coaching in sports. It is a real factor.

correction......some scouts might feel he is the better prospect now, but majority see him leveling off, with Wentz's ceiling much higher. Pretty much like when J.Johnson drafted both Aikman and Steve Walsh.........it didn't take him long to see the superior physical attributes translate into the NFL long term. Goff has too much of the Calif.cool..........not really sure he is 100% into playing the game of football and all that goes with it......not fully invested.

We criticize Conner Cook for his non-leader attributes, and yet we have Goff, literally throwing his college OLine under the bus on J.Gruden QB show....what does that tell us about him. His OLine gave up what... 34 sacks, the Cowboys gave up 36 last year I believe it was...........is Goff going to pull the same crap?

No. If this was the case, Kellen Moore would have been the first pick in the draft. Wins in college are meaningless, and scouts don't care about his lack of wins. They care about his abilities, arm strength, accuracy, footwork, pocket awareness, reading the field.

If you want to have a debate or circle jerk with someone like KJJ about QB wins in college, go have it. It won't be done with me, I've entertained the stupid argument long enough. The "QB wins" has been shredded top pieces for years now. Come back to me when you want to talk about the skills he's shown scouts, until then, good day.

 

[Idgit]

Here's a nice article with direct quotes from his coach. A great read for those interested:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dinator-dispels-myths-regarding-qb-jared-goff

Thanks for posting this.

 

[Gaede]

Here's a nice article with direct quotes from his coach. A great read for those interested:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dinator-dispels-myths-regarding-qb-jared-goff

Great read

 

[AzorAhai]

Goff has too much of the Calif.cool..........not really sure he is 100% into playing the game of football and all that goes with it......not fully invested.

And now everyones knows you're just full of crap. Talk about a massive leap.

 

[Stash]

Great read

I thought I would balance out the unsupported opinions with something with some substance behind it.

 

[Plankton]

The biggest issue that one can bring up with Wentz is that he only started 23 games in his college career. Goff started 37. That makes a huge difference, and some of Wentz' apparent statistical issues against pressure can be a byproduct of a lack of experience as a starter.

I have said this before: I don't think any of these QBs are day one starters. All need work of some kind to be ready (Goff needs time working under center and in an NFL offense. Weight training would also help. Wentz needs time digesting and learning the game more, as well as adjusting to a much faster athlete - on both sides of the ball. Lynch needs mechanical work as well as training in an NFL offense). I think Goff is the surest thing of the three, but has the lowest ceiling. He also has the highest floor. I also like that he's the youngest of the three, and has room to grow as well.

 

[mattjames2010]

This game is the best representation of Wentz. Some spectacular plays, he has good deep ball accuracy at times, but then you see multiple passes that are either picked off or would be picked off in the NFL.