CBS11 Blog: Bill Jones on Victor Strong-Butler...reminds him of Ayodele

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The Cowboys' second of three 4th round draft picks (#110 overall) actually goes by the name Victor Strong-Butler. I found this video that shows Strong-Butler explaining why he changed his name (not sure if he's made a legal name change, so this name may not appear on the back of his Cowboys" uniform). He did it to honor his stepfather, Elvester Strong, who came along in his life at age six and was instrumental in molding Victor into the man he is today.

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Strong-Butler played left DE for Oregon State, meaning he wasn't facing what is usually an opponents' top tackle (LT) each week. He racked up 4 sacks in the Beavers' scintillating 3-0 win over Dave Wannstedt's Pitt Panthers in the Sun Bowl, which you can view here. That means that he got a third of his 12 sacks his senior season in one game. And, in viewing that video, it looks like they were coverage sacks rather than Strong-Butler making a move to get to the QB.

He's 6-2, weighed 248 pounds at the combine, but dropped down to 239 at his pro day just three weeks later. The weight loss dropped his 40 time from 4.76 to 4.72 (a 1.60 10 yard split). Watching his highlights, he reminds me of former Cowboy Akin Ayodele, who also played DE in college but then moved to a 3-4 inside LB here and now with the Miami Dolphins. And, if he plays at 6-2, 240, his dimensions are very similar to Ayodele (6-2, 245). Ayodele dropped weight to play LB in the pros after weighing 257 pounds coming out of Purdue, posting a 4.81 40 (1.65 10y split), with 26 bench reps, 35 vert, 10-1 broad, and very quick 4.12 shuttle, and 7.00 cone drill. In comparison, Butler had 24 bench reps, 33 vert, 9-11 broad, 4.40 shuttle, 7.21 cone. Don't be surprised if Butler eventually migrates to an ILB role in the Phillips 3-4.

Watching the Strong-Butler interview, he looks like he's just the type player the Cowboys targeted in this draft--possessing a strong work ethic and character with a passion for the game. However, he only started one season in college (he did rack up 10.5 sacks as a reserve his junior year). I will be very interested to see how his NFL career compares with that of a couple of other Pac 10 players who were much more productive in college but for some reason weren't drafted until the 7th round-- Zack Follett of California and Nick Reed of Oregon.

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Zack Follett was an ultra-productive LB at Cal with an endless highlight reel of QB sacks and bone-crushing tackles. This guy is virtually the same size as Butler (6-2, 236) and played LB in a 3-4 defense his senior year. He had 23 tackles for loss his final year with 10.5 sacks and 5 forced fumbles. Follett had better combine numbers than Butler--a 4.69 40 (1.59 split) and 37 vertical. Inexplicably, Follett wasn't drafted until the 7th round (#235) by Detroit.

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Nick Reed was even more productive as a 4-3 DE at Oregon, the same position Strong-Butler played at Oregon State. Reed first caught my eye in the Holiday Bowl when he ran circles around Oklahoma State's highly touted junior LT Russell Okung, who may be a 1st round draft pick next year (unless scouts look at what Reed did to him in the Holiday Bowl!). Reed (6-2, 247) had more than 20 tackles for loss in both his junior and senior seasons and was a 2-time Academic All-America. Only 21 years old, his 40 time was a tad better than Butler (4.71/1.59 split) with a sizzling 6.96 3-cone drill, which accounts for his quickness off the snap. Reed went to Seattle in the 7th round (#247). I would have liked to see the Cowboys draft either Follett or Reed in the 7th round instead of Manuel Johnson, who has little chance to make the team at WR.

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So he's gonna disappear during a game and not make any tackles?
 

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Considering neither went to a 3-4 team, I doubt any team that runs a 3-4 thought they could play. Butler received interest from both Miami and New England so we shall see who pans out.
 

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Yep. I had both guys rated higher on my board as well. Just have to wait and see. Vic is a Cowboy so I am rooting for him now.
 

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I liked Reed a lot, too.

Maybe for some reason they thought Butler could transition to a 34 OLB better than him, though. Didn't Butler start out as a WR or something?

Butler is still the guy I worry the most won't make it, but we'll see.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2756276 said:
I liked Reed a lot, too.

Maybe for some reason they thought Butler could transition to a 34 OLB better than him, though. Didn't Butler start out as a WR or something?

Butler is still the guy I worry the most won't make it, but we'll see.

I think he will be groomed @ LOLB and will take over for Ellis once he leaves.

He is more of a LOLB and Brandon Williams is more of a ROLB.
 

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Vinnie2u;2756258 said:
So he's gonna disappear during a game and not make any tackles?


:laugh2: Good one. Or maybe Butler has a website littered w/bare chested photos of himself too.
 

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Hmmm.... who do I want choosing my pass rushing OLBs? Bill Jones or Wade Phillips. Hmmm.....:rolleyes:



And only one of his sacks could remotely be called a coverage sack(imo) where the qb was flushed right into him by the other end. The rest were great pressure by himself and the weakside end. Those highlights probably don't even show what kind of pressure he put on the qb the whole game.
 

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CATCH17;2756281 said:
I think he will be groomed @ LOLB and will take over for Ellis once he leaves.

He is more of a LOLB and Brandon Williams is more of a ROLB.

I think that is correct, for now. Brandon Williams is very young, and has the frame to get much bigger (hopefully stronger too). BW has more upside than Butler and will push Spencer hard in a couple of seasons for a starting spot opposite Ware.
 

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Looking at numbers only, this guy doesn't appear to be a fit for OLB but I really hope that I am proved wrong. I guess time will tell. I just think he is too slow in the 40 to be an OLB in our 3-4 scheme.
 

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Comparing him to Akin Ayodele is not a good sign. Akin was a below average linebacker during his Cowboys tenure.
 

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nyc;2756306 said:
Comparing him to Akin Ayodele is not a good sign. Akin was a below average linebacker during his Cowboys tenure.
Good grief, you have to look at the source. Its Bill Jones making that comparison and because he doesn't like the pick. He preferred his pet cats that went in the 7th round.
 

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Bill Jones;2756253 said:
Strong-Butler played left DE for Oregon State, meaning he wasn't facing what is usually an opponents' top tackle (LT) each week. He racked up 4 sacks in the Beavers' scintillating 3-0 win over Dave Wannstedt's Pitt Panthers in the Sun Bowl, which you can view here. That means that he got a third of his 12 sacks his senior season in one game. And, in viewing that video, it looks like they were coverage sacks rather than Strong-Butler making a move to get to the QB.

Watching the Strong-Butler interview, he looks like he's just the type player the Cowboys targeted in this draft--possessing a strong work ethic and character with a passion for the game. However, he only started one season in college (he did rack up 10.5 sacks as a reserve his junior year).
In Oregon State's biggest game, Strong-Butler sacked the quarterback four times. Is that supposed to be held against him as a negative? Even if you backhandedly point out that he had over ten sacks coming off the bench during the season before?

How many games did he play during his senior season? Twelve, maybe? Perhaps he should be given a mulligan so that he can go back to Oregon State and have the opportunity to sack the quarterback once per game. He'd still end up with twelve sacks. Would his twelve sacks pass the eyeball test then?
 

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I think an Akin Ayodele comparison would be a pretty sweet deal for a 4th rounder. He's a solid starter, he continues to get work, does his job even if he isn't making huge plays he also isn't making really terrible plays....

Would we really hate that if that's what Butler turns out to be? Not everyone can be James Harrison, because not everyone can take steroids.
 

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superpunk;2756346 said:
I think an Akin Ayodele comparison would be a pretty sweet deal for a 4th rounder. He's a solid starter, he continues to get work, does his job even if he isn't making huge plays he also isn't making really terrible plays....

Would we really hate that if that's what Butler turns out to be? Not everyone can be James Harrison, because not everyone can take steroids.
Since they aren't playing the same position in the nfl I can't agree with the Ayodele comparison and it was meant as a slight anyway.
 

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speedkilz88;2756324 said:
Good grief, you have to look at the source. Its Bill Jones making that comparison and because he doesn't like the pick. He preferred his pet cats that went in the 7th round.

What does this have to do with the price of bread Charlie Brown? I just said if he compares to Akin, that isn't a good sign. Who really cares what someone thinks, they don't know **** and nobody else does either. The guy has to prove himself.

Just like all draft grades immediately following the draft, you would have to be an idiot to actually think they have any merit to what is actually going to happen with anyone drafted.
 

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nyc;2756358 said:
What does this have to do with the price of bread Charlie Brown? I just said if he compares to Akin, that isn't a good sign. Who really cares what someone thinks, they don't know **** and nobody else does either. The guy has to prove himself.

Just like all draft grades immediately following the draft, you would have to be an idiot to actually think they have any merit to what is actually going to happen with anyone drafted.
If you don't get Linus you never will.:rolleyes:
 

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nyc;2756306 said:
Comparing him to Akin Ayodele is not a good sign. Akin was a below average linebacker during his Cowboys tenure.

Ayodele is ILB. This guy is a pass rusher.
 
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