CeeDee Lamb reveals Dak Prescott's issues with the Dallas Cowboys

[Qcard]

So when it comes to your 2nd contract are you going to give a hometown discount so Dak can have the players around him? Asking for a friend.

Ask your friend if he knows that Prescott HAS NEVER COUNTED $40M against the Cap in any of his starts??

Cap Hell is Myth peddled by Cheap Owners and Lazy GMs to feable minded fans...

 

[America's Cowboy]

Better watch or rewatch David Carr interview. David tells it like it i8s.

Yeah, from a #1 overall draft pick QB who bombed badly after given 5 years to prove his worth and finished his career as a backup for 4 other teams afterwards.

 

[kskboys]

There are many other quarterbacks who are making more max dollars than Dak and haven't gotten as far in the playoffs that Dak has gotten OR have the winning percentage that Dak has.....

But people like you don't ask THEM to take a pay cut. It's hilarious how that works. Dak is the only quarterback who should take a pay cut huh....

Yes we do. All team's fans ask very highly paid players to take pay cuts, as do the GM's of the team. It's very common.

 

[john van brocklin]

CeeDee Lamb thinks Cowboys are not giving Dak Prescott what he needs to succeed
The Dallas Cowboys fell short from their main objective this year: the Super Bowl LVII. CeeDee Lamb analyzed their season and has revealed Dak Prescott's biggest issue: the lack of talent surrounding him.


After being eliminated by the 49ers, the wide receiver got real on the differences between both rosters and thinks that's the main problem Prescott has that's preventing him to succeed.

"You gotta surround (the quarterback)," Lamb said to Around the NFL podcast on Wednesday. "You go look at the Eagles, and they've got three receivers, a great tight end group, they run the ball well, the O-line is very phenomenal. You look at San Fran, they surrounded their quarterback and you get success ultimately. I mean we've got just as many weapons, but that extra player, all it takes is one. You can be so close to the Super Bowl and it can be a deciding factor."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...pc=U531&cvid=2f5dbf4ec73945d1833f8d6daa840b27

CeeDee Lamb thinks Cowboys are not giving Dak Prescott what he needs to succeed
The Dallas Cowboys fell short from their main objective this year: the Super Bowl LVII. CeeDee Lamb analyzed their season and has revealed Dak Prescott's biggest issue: the lack of talent surrounding him.


After being eliminated by the 49ers, the wide receiver got real on the differences between both rosters and thinks that's the main problem Prescott has that's preventing him to succeed.

"You gotta surround (the quarterback)," Lamb said to Around the NFL podcast on Wednesday. "You go look at the Eagles, and they've got three receivers, a great tight end group, they run the ball well, the O-line is very phenomenal. You look at San Fran, they surrounded their quarterback and you get success ultimately. I mean we've got just as many weapons, but that extra player, all it takes is one. You can be so close to the Super Bowl and it can be a deciding factor."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...pc=U531&cvid=2f5dbf4ec73945d1833f8d6daa840b27

Serious question:
How are we going to afford surrounding him with more talent with Dak sucking up so much cap space?

 

[buybuydandavis]

I agree with Lambs sentiments. But the scheme needed to change. You could’ve had 4 all pro receivers and they would not have beat the 49ers.

This will be the time Stephen and Jerry sells us on Jalen Tolbert

Watch the film. Hell, David Carr breaks it down to perfection of the lack of a route tree. He knows more than any of us and pretty much says we do.

The scheme could have been better, but someone showed a TD to Hilton there to be taken on that deep throw down the middle Dak tried to Lamb, covered by SF's LB.

Not merely there to be taken, but what *should* have been taken on that play.

Arguably Moore delivered enough scheme to at least get us to OT.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Odd because KC has a better OLine and better weapons and their QB is making 45m per year.
Cardinals have better weapons and they extended their QB.
Broncos have better weapons and they have a more expensive QB (just so happens that said QB is awful).
Rams of course have better weapons and so to in fact do the Browns.

Basically why is it that other teams are able to surround their 40m QBs (or more in just about every other case) with overall better talent?

Notice that you're not picking the team that Ceedee chose to talk about and I responded to.

The Eagles have about 40 million reasons why they can be better than other teams in the league.

And yes, management had their own failures in how they used the cap that we had. Zeke's contract was just a bad idea from day one. Dumping Cooper to spend slightly more to keep Schultz and Gallup was just dumb.

As for Mahomes, he *delivers* for his salary in ways Dak does not. So he gets to go to the SB while Dak gets to watch Mahomes play.

Dak may not have the offensive tools, but he has a defense that *can* and *did* play SB worthy ball. They carried the team. And even with their dominance, the offense couldn't make a game of it.

Both SB QB's delivered *much* more value per cap dollar than Dak. That's the name of the game in a capped league.

 

[buybuydandavis]

There are many other quarterbacks who are making more max dollars than Dak and haven't gotten as far in the playoffs that Dak has gotten OR have the winning percentage that Dak has.....

But people like you don't ask THEM to take a pay cut. It's hilarious how that works. Dak is the only quarterback who should take a pay cut huh....

I'm not asking anyone to take a pay cut. Just pointing out that Ceedee was comparing the team around a player that cost 1.5mil to a team around a player that cost 40mil. In a capped league, Ceedee just should be surprised by this.

 

[DandyDon52]

Yes, Dak needs to give $10+ mil/year back to help the team acquire better talent. Dak already makes $50 mil/year off-the-field in sponsorships and endorsements. Don't be greedy, Dak! Do the right thing to help the team which in essence will further help you.

No he doesnt make that much lol, the 50 mil was the total he would make over time, and after taxes much less.
I figure he makes 10 mil a year max on endorsements, and off field stuff.

And problem is jones boys would just either not spend it , or would spend it poorly.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I get your position. But the money is spent now. So do we sit back and ask Dak to make chicken salad out of chicken ****.....or do try to fix this?

I'm all for fixing it, starting with please please please don't spend 14.5mil on Schultz.
Please please please just let Zeke go. Franchise Pollard.

It comes down to health for Tyron. If Tyron is healthy, I think he has upside on his contract and our oline is much better with a healthy Tyron. I wouldn't be spending a lot more at WR, but see if we can get Hilton back for cheap, and bring in some deep speed to stretch the defense. I'd like Peters back too. I'd just want them to show up in shape and knowing the playbook.

And for God's sake get us some DTs.

I wasn't arguing that the team couldn't be improved, or that management had spent our cap dollars well - though gotta like the value from Peters, Hilton, and Hankins. They did a *fantastic* job with those guys.

My post was a response to the *very bad argument* Ceedee was making. He could barely have picked a worse comparison than Hurts, who had a better season than Dak, while costing 40mil less. That's why Hurst can have nicer things than Dak. Like a trip to the SB.

 

[DandyDon52]

I agree with Lambs sentiments. But the scheme needed to change. You could’ve had 4 all pro receivers and they would not have beat the 49ers.

This will be the time Stephen and Jerry sells us on Jalen Tolbert

Watch the film. Hell, David Carr breaks it down to perfection of the lack of a route tree. He knows more than any of us and pretty much says we do.

good video, not enough crossing routes, and just sloppy offense. Dak reading wrong areas, saw this in warner vids too.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Didn't Dallas finish the season around $20m under the CAP after trading Amari and overpaying Zeke a ton of money?

The notion that they couldn't free up some cash to add a veteran WR in the offseason is a bit silly. Jerry and company need to share in the blame for their roster mismanagement as well.

I'm not on team "Kick All the Cap We Can Down the Road". We do enough of that already.

If we had 20mil of cap to spend last year it would have still been dwarfed by the cap for Dak we've kicked down the road already. Enough. Spend within our means.

 

[America's Cowboy]

No he doesnt make that much lol, the 50 mil was the total he would make over time, and after taxes much less.
I figure he makes 10 mil a year max on endorsements, and off field stuff.

And problem is jones boys would just either not spend it , or would spend it poorly.

You're right, DD52. My bad. Dak Prescott was set in 2019 to make easily over $50 million in sponsorships and endorsements. So far in 2022, he was averaging over $10 million/season, and it looks like it's going to increase with new sponsorship endorsers like Blockchain and Nike.

https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/09...could-have-dallas-cowboys-qb-earning-more-off

That should be incentive to at least give around $10 million/year back if Dak was serious about trying to help the Cowboys help him with better weapons.

 

[Adreme]

Notice that you're not picking the team that Ceedee chose to talk about and I responded to.

The Eagles have about 40 million reasons why they can be better than other teams in the league.

And yes, management had their own failures in how they used the cap that we had. Zeke's contract was just a bad idea from day one. Dumping Cooper to spend slightly more to keep Schultz and Gallup was just dumb.

As for Mahomes, he *delivers* for his salary in ways Dak does not. So he gets to go to the SB while Dak gets to watch Mahomes play.

Dak may not have the offensive tools, but he has a defense that *can* and *did* play SB worthy ball. They carried the team. And even with their dominance, the offense couldn't make a game of it.

Both SB QB's delivered *much* more value per cap dollar than Dak. That's the name of the game in a capped league.

Because your "evidence" is contradicted by the fact that the other teams with 40m QBs (and higher) managed to surround said QB with better talent. So yes while a 2m QB also had talent around him the same can be said of the 40 and 45m QBs so therefore apparently it is very very doable to surround a QB with talent than the Cowboys did last year because the rest of the league did.

 

[LovinItAll]

CeeDee Lamb thinks Cowboys are not giving Dak Prescott what he needs to succeed
The Dallas Cowboys fell short from their main objective this year: the Super Bowl LVII. CeeDee Lamb analyzed their season and has revealed Dak Prescott's biggest issue: the lack of talent surrounding him.


After being eliminated by the 49ers, the wide receiver got real on the differences between both rosters and thinks that's the main problem Prescott has that's preventing him to succeed.

"You gotta surround (the quarterback)," Lamb said to Around the NFL podcast on Wednesday. "You go look at the Eagles, and they've got three receivers, a great tight end group, they run the ball well, the O-line is very phenomenal. You look at San Fran, they surrounded their quarterback and you get success ultimately. I mean we've got just as many weapons, but that extra player, all it takes is one. You can be so close to the Super Bowl and it can be a deciding factor."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...pc=U531&cvid=2f5dbf4ec73945d1833f8d6daa840b27

Gee, what a surprise. I’ve said exactly this same thing repeatedly on this forum.

 

[DillusionalFans]

Dak is already surrounded by NFL level talent. It is fallacious thinking that surrounding him with other NFL players will magically fix his deficiencies. He is who he is and we have had plenty of time to see it.

Well-said. I’m tired of the excuses. We have enough talent to win but JJ doesn’t hold his players or coaches accountable (unless you count the sacrificial lamb KM). It’s a toss-up as to who is the bigger fool — JJ or the Cowboy fans who think we can win it all.

 

[TwentyOne]

I hope Jerry Jones was listening.

Missed it. Was busy.

 

[DillusionalFans]

Mahomes has a HOF TE, a 1st round WR, 2 2nd round WRs and a FA WR in MVS.

He’s obviously the best in football - but even he has gotten help.

Mahomes & Reid makes them better, that is what a great QB does. Dak can’t elevate anyone but JJ is paying him like he can. Stop with then excuses.

 

[DillusionalFans]

No, the job is still always on the owner. The WRs job is to go catch passes - his job description is not to call out the talent of his teammates and potentially cause more issues behind closed doors.

He and Micah don't know when to shut up and if our owners were worth a damn, they'd have all of these players in line.

Cowboy players think because they wear the star they are entitled — this is the environment JJ has created which is great financially but not for winning championships. I miss Jimmy Johnson who made sure the players knew either perform or bye-bye.

 

[DillusionalFans]

I personally never classified Dak as elite, and I don't believe he is the answer to our future success. But that still doesn't take away the fact that this man earned his contract when he got it according to the standard of what pretty good quarterbacks get paid.


There are other non elite quarterbacks in the NFL that are paid max dollar contracts..... and some of them are 1st and 2nd round picks. Dak was drafted in the 4th round and have better production than some of them.

Dak had much better talent around him than those “1st & 2nd round picks” back then — our O-line & run game was the best which should make any QB look good.

 

[DillusionalFans]

Yeah, from a #1 overall draft pick QB who bombed badly after given 5 years to prove his worth and finished his career as a backup for 4 other teams afterwards.

Being drafted by an expansion team — yea, he had a real shot. Just because he wasn’t great when playing doesn’t disqualify him from knowing the game — or else many great coaches shouldn’t be coaching. You just can’t stand the truth — that Dak is mediocre.