Chances Robert Griffin lasts 2 more years?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Even if RG3 never runs a read option play again

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...lumpbusters-robert-griffin-iii-052925506.html

The Comeback Kid

The effect that Robert Griffin had on the Washington Commanders in his rookie season can be summed up with one question: How many rookies in NFL history have had an entire offense tailored to their specific attributes? Because, make no mistake, what Commanders head coach Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan put on the field in 2012 didn't resemble anything we'd ever seen from the storied Washington franchise, and it didn't really look much like anything else we'd seen in pro football ... well, ever.

Last regular season, per Football Outsiders' game-charting metrics, Washington ran the Pistol formation 320 times, more than all other NFL teams combined. The Shanahans augmented that short shotgun, multi-back look with a dizzying array of tight end sets and motions that kept every opposing defense on its heels. Mix in Griffin's demon speed and freakish deep accuracy, and you had something that was just about unstoppable when it was humming. The knee injuries Griffin suffered in his rookie season had some spinning the narrative that this was another gimmick quarterback who was about to get his comeuppance at the hands of the NFL, but that's a grossly inaccurate oversimplification. Griffin didn't complete 72.4 percent of his passes and lead the NCAA in yards per attempt at Baylor in 2011 because he was the beneficiary of a few splash plays. Whether he was throwing a deep post to Kendall Wright at Baylor or rocking the New Orleans Saints with a drag route to Pierre Garcon in his professional debut, Griffin had to impress anyone who actually watched tape of him playing the position.

And that's what makes Griffin truly dangerous as a quarterback: If the Shanahans do decide to either scrap or alter their overall game plan for Griffin to make him more of a pocket passer and less a shotgun runner, Griffin's first-year numbers indicate that he's already well on his way to success with that idea. In 2012, no quarterback had a higher DVOA (FO's opponent-adjusted per-play efficiency metric) than Griffin when he was under center. In other words, when you take away the collegiate conceits and are left with Griffin just as a pure quarterback -- scanning his reads and dissecting defenses -- he's just as good as any young signal-caller we've seen come down the pike.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree he's a good young QB and my take has nothing to do with the fact that he's a Commander. I've seen these running QB's get hurt time and time again. If he doesn't change to a drop back passer, he'll also get hurt eventually. He's already suffered a severe ACL tear. Another one of those and he's career will be limited.

I understand your view and while I don't think RGIII will ever be a pure drop back passer I do think he can have a long career. I agree if he continues to run as he does not then he will not last but much of that is learning how to protect yourself when he does take off.

 

[Sonny#9]

I'm going to translate the OP's title, and grossly misinformed post: "God I hope Griffin only lasts two years, otherwise we're *****!"

 

[Future]

People are crazy. He's going to be in the league 8-9 years at least, on potential alone. He could get season ending injuries this year and the next and, even if the Commanders let him go, would be picked up somewhere else. Heck, Mike Vick is in the league after being in jail for 2 seasons because people were willing to take a flier because of his athleticism. RGIII has that same skill, and he can actually throw. The guy isn't going anywhere.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Even if RG3 never runs a read option play again

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...lumpbusters-robert-griffin-iii-052925506.html

This is what I've been saying. To begin with, it's not true that he was only effective last year because of the option. But most of all, he's going to be good in that offense even if he never has another running play called for him. Look at Schaub in Houston -- they have a great offense and Schaub can't outrun Jerry Jones. And Griffin has much more talent than Schaub does even excluding his running ability.

As far as the injury, yes, it was serious. But Andrews is a genius, and that surgery and rehab has made quantum leaps from what it was years ago.

 

[locked&loaded]

Even if RG3 never runs a read option play again

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...lumpbusters-robert-griffin-iii-052925506.html

this guy knows the qb can run, and the offense can run read option, from under center, right?

 

[Rockport]

Keep dreaming, buddy! There isn't a single sentence correct in this entire post, congratulations.

I wouldn't expect anything less from a Commander fan. Sorry to tell you though, and you'll soon find out, everything is true. If he keeps running the option, he won't last 2 years.

 

[SkinsFan82]

I wouldn't expect anything less from a Commander fan. Sorry to tell you though, and you'll soon find out, everything is true. If he keeps running the option, he won't last 2 years.

You do realize he didn't get injured running the read option, right?

The vast majority of the nasty shots he took, especially the ones that caused his major injury were when plays broke down and he scrambled.

You have to realize that this is a guy who for most of his life played against guys who were athletically inferior to him and he never had to really learn to play like an NFL QB in regards to throwing the ball away or stepping out or sliding. He could almost always just use his athleticism to "make the play." It's a lesson most guys learn in high school, or at least by college because they had to, to avoid getting killed.

Now that he's had a season in the NFL and got injured as a result of not learning this lesson earlier, he'll be able to step back and examine it all and be able to change his game enough to stay healthy.

 

[bklyn1028]

I wouldn't expect anything less from a Commander fan. Sorry to tell you though, and you'll soon find out, everything is true. If he keeps running the option, he won't last 2 years.

I think you're right. Look at Michael Vick, that guy was a punching bag hanging around. The NFL is a pocket passing game. Sure you have to scramble if your pocket collapses, but to do it on every other play, is suicide. The modern NFL is quicker, faster, stronger that it used to be. Andy Reid asked the NFL to start throwing flags every time Vick got hit, he said it wasn't fair, and they countered with, when he leaves the pocket, he's a runner, and subject to the normal pounding. If RG3 was smart he'll run, but limited, if he continues, he'll play, but eventually he'll get gun shy, it's human nature; your body can only take so much.

 

[1fisher]

1) It was his LCL, not his ACL:

“Robert's ACL is intact, but not enough for his profession,” Griffin II said in a text message to Jim Corbett of USA Today. “You and I could be fine. But he is an athlete. So they will replace.”

The LCL (one of the lesser known CLs) was torn, and both were reconstructed by Andrews.

Griffin’s father said there was no evidence of the ACL tear on the initial MRIs, which might explain some of the early ambiguity about his condition."


"Robert Griffin III had successful knee surgery early this morning. He had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction," Andrews said in the statement.



2) Any ACL tear is not a severe tear:

"(ACL) injuries range from mild, such as a small tear, to severe, such as when the ligament tears completely or when the ligament and part of the bone separate from the rest of the bone."

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/anterior-cruciate-ligament-acl-injuries-topic-overview


The reason RG3's recovery time seems incredible is because everyone and their mother has been making it seem like he "severely" tore his ACL, when that's not the case.

They REPLACED his ACL and that is nothing to take lightly. AND it was on the same knee he tore up in college. They used a piece of patella tendon from his left knee for the replacement. Keep on downplaying the severity.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

People are crazy. He's going to be in the league 8-9 years at least, on potential alone. He could get season ending injuries this year and the next and, even if the Commanders let him go, would be picked up somewhere else. Heck, Mike Vick is in the league after being in jail for 2 seasons because people were willing to take a flier because of his athleticism. RGIII has that same skill, and he can actually throw. The guy isn't going anywhere.

Beer is good. Robert will be in the league for a long while, RGIII plays well as a pocket passer and will only improve with time in that area...I agree Griffin isn't going anywhere soon.

 

[Sonny#9]

They REPLACED his ACL and that is nothing to take lightly. AND it was on the same knee he tore up in college. They used a piece of patella tendon from his left knee for the replacement. Keep on downplaying the severity.

Wait...are you saying they replaced his ACL a 2nd time? If you are, you need to do some research...

 

[Rockport]

I'm going to translate the OP's title, and grossly misinformed post: "God I hope Griffin only lasts two years, otherwise we're *****!"

I'll translate your reply, "God I hope AmberBeer is wrong".

 

[1fisher]

Wait...are you saying they replaced his ACL a 2nd time? If you are, you need to do some research...

Nope.... I think you need to do some research. He had ACL surgery at Baylor after the third game in 2009 requiring a patellar graft from his right knee. They repaired his ACL again in January 2013 with a graft from his left knee (along with LCL surgery). Let me know what you find out!

 

[Rockport]

Nope.... I think you need to do some research. He had ACL surgery at Baylor after the third game in 2009 requiring a patellar graft from his right knee. They repaired his ACL again in January 2013 with a graft from his left knee (along with LCL surgery). Let me know what you find out!

Commander fans are in denial of how serious his injury was and his history of knee problems. He'll have to wear a knee brace which will limit his mobility. If he continues with the option that won't help him much.

 

[Rockport]

You do realize he didn't get injured running the read option, right?

The vast majority of the nasty shots he took, especially the ones that caused his major injury were when plays broke down and he scrambled.

You have to realize that this is a guy who for most of his life played against guys who were athletically inferior to him and he never had to really learn to play like an NFL QB in regards to throwing the ball away or stepping out or sliding. He could almost always just use his athleticism to "make the play." It's a lesson most guys learn in high school, or at least by college because they had to, to avoid getting killed.

Now that he's had a season in the NFL and got injured as a result of not learning this lesson earlier, he'll be able to step back and examine it all and be able to change his game enough to stay healthy.

I don't know if he was injured running the option or not. But it doesn't matter. The fact that he was so successfuly running the option puts a target on his back on every play regardless.

 

[1fisher]

Commander fans are in denial of how serious his injury was and his history of knee problems. He'll have to wear a knee brace which will limit his mobility. If he continues with the option that won't help him much.

Of course they are in denial. I'll be shocked if he's running around like he did last year. How long does it take the grafted patellar to recover? I know they take about a third of it to make the new ACL (at least that's how much they took from mine).

 

[Califan007]

Of course they are in denial. I'll be shocked if he's running around like he did last year. How long does it take the grafted patellar to recover? I know they take about a third of it to make the new ACL (at least that's how much they took from mine).

Actually, I love it that media members and certain fans like yourself and Amber continue to make it seem like Griffin's knee is hanging by a thread lol...it will end up leading to a bunch of "OMG! RG3 is superhuman afterall! He's already back from near-death and playing well again! He wasn't supposed to be doing this until 2015 at the earliest!"

Because of an incessant need to screw up the facts of his injury and surgeries and paint them in the most dire light possible, it's a given that the media pendulum will swing wildly in the other direction when he takes the field and is sprinting and cutting like old times. Had it all been reported and conveyed accurately, nobody would be nearly as shocked as they're gonna be acting in September and October. 6-8 months recovery time would have been appropriate for his surgeries...not 8-12 months which the media and fans have ran with.

 

[Califan007]

Commander fans are in denial of how serious his injury was and his history of knee problems. He'll have to wear a knee brace which will limit his mobility. If he continues with the option that won't help him much.

He's already running and cutting without a brace.

He will still wear it during training camp and preseason, obviously...but don't be surprised if he starts the season and the knee brace is nowhere to be found.

 

[Califan007]

They REPLACED his ACL and that is nothing to take lightly. AND it was on the same knee he tore up in college. They used a piece of patella tendon from his left knee for the replacement. Keep on downplaying the severity.

Like I said, keep on exaggerating his injuries, I actually love that you and others are. If you think the hype over RG3 was unbearable before, just wait till you see how much the media hypes him up after thinking he has had a "miraculous" recovery from a "severe ACL tear" and having his "ACL replaced".