Chances Robert Griffin lasts 2 more years?

[Califan007]

Who are you quoting as saying "severe ACL tear?"

The thread starter:

He's already suffered a severe ACL tear in his first year.

 

[Califan007]

Hanging by a thread.... dude I know better than that....and where did I screw up the facts of his surgery.

He had ACL reconstruction at Baylor, correct?
He tore his LCL and needed ACL replacement again on the right knee, correct?
He required patellar grafts from both knees. The first in 2009 and the latest in 2013, correct?

That's a lot of work on one knee no matter how burgundy/gold colored your glasses are.
I just don't think he will be running around as much. Of course I could be wrong.

No one said it wasn't a lot of work on one knee.

However, somebody DID say that they questioned if RG3 would even still be in the league 2 years from now due largely because of it.

Unlike fans of other teams, Skins fans follow his injury, surgery and rehab efforts to a **'ing "T"...we find info, pass it along, discuss it to death, find more info, find even MORE info, have actual doctors and surgeons (they are Skins fans as well, you know) put in their qualified knowledge on the subject, discuss it to death even more, find yet more info...for the most part any optimism we express is due to the above. It's not just blind homerism--sorry, "delusional" blind homerism lol.

What we also end up doing is reading tons of news reports that get basic facts wrong, and then see fans of other teams parrot those wrong facts and then use those wrong fact when reaching dire conclusions. It gets tiring. You'll see tons of news articles say that Griffin is rehabbing from a "torn ACL" but those same articles won't even mention his LCL. From what I've read, RG3's ACL was becoming loose at the bore sites...they did the "re-do" of the graft to make the original reconstruction better. Yes, it's still knee surgery and yes, he'll still need to recover from it...and, yes, it could have a noticeable effect on his speed and elusiveness, at least initially.

But refusing to buy into the insanely dire predictions espoused by fans of other teams does not make Skins fans "delusional".

 

[Rockport]

No one said it wasn't a lot of work on one knee.

However, somebody DID say that they questioned if RG3 would even still be in the league 2 years from now due largely because of it.

Unlike fans of other teams, Skins fans follow his injury, surgery and rehab efforts to a **'ing "T"...we find info, pass it along, discuss it to death, find more info, find even MORE info, have actual doctors and surgeons (they are Skins fans as well, you know) put in their qualified knowledge on the subject, discuss it to death even more, find yet more info...for the most part any optimism we express is due to the above. It's not just blind homerism--sorry, "delusional" blind homerism lol.

What we also end up doing is reading tons of news reports that get basic facts wrong, and then see fans of other teams parrot those wrong facts and then use those wrong fact when reaching dire conclusions. It gets tiring. You'll see tons of news articles say that Griffin is rehabbing from a "torn ACL" but those same articles won't even mention his LCL. From what I've read, RG3's ACL was becoming loose at the bore sites...they did the "re-do" of the graft to make the original reconstruction better. Yes, it's still knee surgery and yes, he'll still need to recover from it...and, yes, it could have a noticeable effect on his speed and elusiveness, at least initially.

But refusing to buy into the insanely dire predictions espoused by fans of other teams does not make Skins fans "delusional".

I never said anything about Commander fans bein delusional. I just said if he keeps playing in an offense like the one Shanahan currently runs he won't last 2 years. You're a little touchy about this whole injury deal. As bad as his knees are, I guess I would be too.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I never said anything about Commander fans bein delusional. I just said if he keeps playing in an offense like the one Shanahan currently runs he won't last 2 years. You're a little touchy about this whole injury deal. As bad as his knees are, I guess I would be too.

It sounds like you are the touchy one here...

As a Commanders fan, I am really looking forward to the season, guys like Fred Davis coming back healthy, hopefully a 16 game healthy Garcon and seeing how RG3 progresses.

If he gets injured he gets injured, its the NFL.

 

[Califan007]

I never said anything about Commander fans bein delusional. I just said if he keeps playing in an offense like the one Shanahan currently runs he won't last 2 years. You're a little touchy about this whole injury deal. As bad as his knees are, I guess I would be too.

Sorry, you said we were in "denial" about the seriousness of his injury and surgeries.

 

[Rockport]

It sounds like you are the touchy one here...

As a Commanders fan, I am really looking forward to the season, guys like Fred Davis coming back healthy, hopefully a 16 game healthy Garcon and seeing how RG3 progresses.

If he gets injured he gets injured, its the NFL.

No, not at all. I find you Commander fans very entertaining.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

No, not at all. I find you Commander fans very entertaining.

So your lack of facts and being wrong about everything you have posted in this thread is trolling?

Awesome

 

[1fisher]

No one said it wasn't a lot of work on one knee.

However, somebody DID say that they questioned if RG3 would even still be in the league 2 years from now due largely because of it.

Unlike fans of other teams, Skins fans follow his injury, surgery and rehab efforts to a **'ing "T"...we find info, pass it along, discuss it to death, find more info, find even MORE info, have actual doctors and surgeons (they are Skins fans as well, you know) put in their qualified knowledge on the subject, discuss it to death even more, find yet more info...for the most part any optimism we express is due to the above. It's not just blind homerism--sorry, "delusional" blind homerism lol.

What we also end up doing is reading tons of news reports that get basic facts wrong, and then see fans of other teams parrot those wrong facts and then use those wrong fact when reaching dire conclusions. It gets tiring. You'll see tons of news articles say that Griffin is rehabbing from a "torn ACL" but those same articles won't even mention his LCL. From what I've read, RG3's ACL was becoming loose at the bore sites...they did the "re-do" of the graft to make the original reconstruction better. Yes, it's still knee surgery and yes, he'll still need to recover from it...and, yes, it could have a noticeable effect on his speed and elusiveness, at least initially.

But refusing to buy into the insanely dire predictions espoused by fans of other teams does not make Skins fans "delusional".

Replacing the ACL for a second time is what would concern me the most. 6-8 months doesn't seem like a long time for it to completely heal. But what do i know.... mine was only replaced one time.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Replacing the ACL for a second time is what would concern me the most. 6-8 months doesn't seem like a long time for it to completely heal. But what do i know.... mine was only replaced one time.

Did you have stem cells used with your replacement also?

 

[Rockport]

So your lack of facts and being wrong about everything you have posted in this thread is trolling?

Awesome

No need for the attack. I'm just stating an opinion that with Griffins bum knees and Shanahans win at all cost approach to players that Griffin probably won't last 2 years if they keep running the same offense.

 

[1fisher]

Did you have stem cells used with your replacement also?

No it was not an option at the time. Did Griffin have stem cells on his first reconstruction?

 

[rash]

I say 90% or better he is still playing after two more years.

I say 90% or better he is still playing at a Hall of Fame level after two more years

 

[zrinkill]

I say 90% or better he is still playing at a Hall of Fame level after two more years

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Replacing the ACL for a second time is what would concern me the most. 6-8 months doesn't seem like a long time for it to completely heal. But what do i know.... mine was only replaced one time.

There was a dispute as to whether it completely tore or if it was just a partial tear + what ever damage was left from the first time. Personally I don't think it was a complete tear

 

[1fisher]

There was a dispute as to whether it completely tore or if it was just a partial tear + what ever damage was left from the first time. Personally I don't think it was a copmplete tear

The tear is not what is concerning to me. Having to graft a piece of patellar tendon from the left knee to replace the replaced acl in the right knee is. They have to drill a hole through the femur and tibia...i think... and thread the graft through that hole. The graft is then secured with screws. It is my understanding that the graft and bone over time will bond together and there should be no slack in the joint.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

An article from back in January

I have no idea if he had stem cells used back in 2009, there are lots of reports that Andrews used stem cells in the most recent surgery but no actual confirmation from Andrews

http://bramelsecondopinion.com/2013/01/09/whats-ahead-for-robert-griffin-iii/

What’s Ahead for Robert Griffin III
BY JENE BRAMEL on JANUARY 9, 2013 • ( 1 )

Robert Griffin III had reconstructive knee surgery this morning to repair his LCL and ACL. The surgery was successful, according to Dr. James Andrews, and involved a “direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction.”

Though Dr. Andrews confirmed the details of the injury and surgical procedure in his statement, a number of questions remain.

Is Griffin at higher risk of another future ACL injury because the ligament has now been reconstructed twice?

This is a complicated question. Those of you following the story closely have seen the differing opinions on this question (and the discussion on how soon Griffin may be able to return to play).

The short answer is yes, Griffin is at higher risk, but it’s a risk that is difficult to quantify.

I spoke to the same orthopedic surgeon about the challenges of repairing a previously reconstructed ACL graft. When an ACL is reconstructed, tunnels are made into the thigh and shin bone to serve as anchors for the graft that will serve as the new ACL.

Though there are concerns with the graft having less blood supply than a natural ACL, the graft usually anchors well and the bone tunnels fill in without issue after a new reconstruction. With subsequent reconstructions, those tunnels must be larger and a different method of anchoring the graft is often necessary. Larger tunnels require more bone grafting and a slightly different angle for the graft. Those factors can cause the reconstructed ACL to loosen over time. That, in turn, leads to a higher risk of failure.

The good news is that the risk is not terribly high and is lessened by Griffin’s young age and the rehab protocols available to an elite NFL athlete. Thomas Davis, a linebacker with the Carolina Panthers, is an interesting comparison. Davis suffered a graft failure soon after returning from his first ACL tear but is now playing well after his second reconstruction.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

The tear is not what is concerning to me. Having to graft a piece of patellar tendon from the left knee to replace the replaced acl in the right knee is.

Based on what Rich Campbell, a reporter for the Washington Times who covers the team, said on the radio yesterday, the patellar graft taken from the other leg was used for the LCL, and the ACL was re-grafted or "tightened". His previous 2009 surgery was cleaned up. So to say he's coming back miraculously from a torn ACL is not correct.

 

[1fisher]

Based on what Rich Campbell, a reporter for the Washington Times who covers the team, said on the radio yesterday, the patellar graft taken from the other leg was used for the LCL, and the ACL was re-grafted or "tightened". His previous 2009 surgery was cleaned up. So to say he's coming back miraculously from a torn ACL is not correct.

I don't think i ever indicated he had a torn acl except when it was initially torn in 2009. I read where the acl was replaced not tightened. Ive never heard of using a patellar graft for the lcl....interesting!

 

[koolaid]

Responding to the OP, I would estimate a 95% chance RG3's career will last at least 2 more years.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Hi chances are for two year is 50/50. More than that is low. He will be the Bo Jackson of this generation.