Chargers and the 3rd pick

[erod]

Who in the Top 5 last year would take Gurley over the players they took?

Not Tampa. Not Tennessee. Not Oakland. Maybe Jacksonville because their first round pick Fowler tore his ACL before the season.

Different team, different dynamics.

Any team with a great young line would be very excited to draft an elite back to pair with it. No matter the position in the draft.

But most teams with great lines are picking at the end of Round 1. This is unique because of the injuries that led to this.

Remember when a very talented Cowboys team took Tony Dorsett with the No. 1 pick?

 

[Jenky]

Great, he went 10.

So you think Tennessee or Tampa turns down a chance for a frnachise QB for Gurley? How about Oakland? Jacksonville took Fowler and he tore his ACL before the season but their coach is a defensive minded coach so I suspect they stick with Fowler. Maybe Washington might trade Scherff for Gurley but they think they uncovered a gem in Jones.

Jacksonville might have taken him if he was injury free. They did get Yeldon early in the 2nd.

 

[zrinkill]

I want Zeke ........ dont care about the "todays NFL" bullhockey, I have seen what works in the NFL and that is a superior runner behind a superior line.

Get Zeke and stop being cute.

 

[Sydla]

Different team, different dynamics.

Any team with a great young line would be very excited to draft an elite back to pair with it. No matter the position in the draft.

But most teams with great lines are picking at the end of Round 1. This is unique because of the injuries that led to this.

Remember when a very talented Cowboys team took Tony Dorsett with the No. 1 pick?

LOL. First of all, using Tony Dorsett from almost 40 years ago is laughable. The league is different in 2016 than it was in the 70s.

Also, you were the one who just tried to insinuate that Gurley would easily go Top 5 in last year's draft if they could redo the draft and that's frankly nowhere near a factual statement.

 

[Dhragon]

Even if this is true...I disagree...it doesn't matter. He could be the best player in the draft but he plays one of the least important positions.

I don't get why people don't get this...please get it.

For me personally, I was wanting a QB to look towards the future. But since that is over with this year, we might as well cross our fingers and hope against hope Romo stays healthy and doesn't begin to decline. In that case, any chance at some postseason success next year will be had by making the most improvement to the team overall for 2016. Elliott is that guy. He might be on the decline in 5 years or maybe he can be Peterson and last longer. Who knows? But for whatever Romo window there might be, Elliott potentially offers the most.

Now if you are ready to write off the Romo era, then sure, Ramsey is a much better and safe choice. So I see your point if that is your mindset.

Another more shallow / less reasonable reason is I'm ready for a little sizzle - we have been spending all our high picks (except for Dez) lately on Oline or defense. I'm hungry for a new player to get excited for in a fantasy football type way.

 

[Sydla]

Jacksonville might have taken him if he was injury free. They did get Yeldon early in the 2nd.

Exactly. Erod took umbrage with my comment that even if they could redo the draft from last year, Gurley probably still wouldn't go Top 5. You seem to agree that it's a possibility he still wouldn't go Top 5.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

Yeah, I think the Chargers definitely trade that pick & the team trading up will pick Ramsey.. I'm fine with Zeke, so it's all good

 

[erod]

LOL. First of all, using Tony Dorsett from almost 40 years ago is laughable. The league is different in 2016 than it was in the 70s.

Also, you were the one who just tried to insinuate that Gurley would easily go Top 5 in last year's draft if they could redo the draft and that's frankly nowhere near a factual statement.

It wasn't too many years ago that three RBs went in the top 5.

This "position" nonsense is tired. Sure Gurley could go top 5, but most teams are SO AWFUL that they can't really take advantage of a great RB. Their needs are beyond hope.

Dallas isn't that. The Cowboys have an elite QB, an elite WR, an elite TE, and an elite offensive line. The missing piece is an Emmitt Smith-like back to glue it all together. Even more so than Murray did.

 

[Sydla]

It wasn't too many years ago that three RBs went in the top 5.

This "position" nonsense is tired. Sure Gurley could go top 5, but most teams are SO AWFUL that they can't really take advantage of a great RB. Their needs are beyond hope.

Dallas isn't that. The Cowboys have an elite QB, an elite WR, an elite TE, and an elite offensive line. The missing piece is an Emmitt Smith-like back to glue it all together. Even more so than Murray did.

LOL. And all three of those that went Top 5 never lived up the hype - Brown, Williams and Benson. Great point.

 

[Brooksey]

Even if this is true...I disagree...it doesn't matter. He could be the best player in the draft but he plays one of the least important positions.

I don't get why people don't get this...please get it.

I notice you don't get a lot of things. Calm down

 

[erod]

LOL. And all three of those that went Top 5 never lived up the hype - Brown, Williams and Benson. Great point.

So tell me the "top five pick" positions that are so certain. I'll knock it out of the park.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You make it sound like he's the heir apparent to L. P. Ladouceur. How is RB one of the least important positions?

Because it's the most fungible.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Maybe that would be true for another team, but it certainly wasn't for this team. There were few who impacted the team more than Murray in 2014.

Murray was a 3rd round pick. If you want to go get a RB at pick 76? I'm all for it. At 4? Insanity.

 

[erod]

Because it's the most fungible.

True.....except.

There are lots and lots and lots of pretty good running backs. There are McFaddens dripping off the ceiling.

But there are very few elite ones. Is Elliott elite? If so, take him.

 

[Sydla]

So tell me the "top five pick" positions that are so certain. I'll knock it out of the park.

There is no certainty in the draft, even in the Top 5.

I am not the one trying to argue that Elliott is a transcendent player that you absolutely have to take at 4 because it's nearly impossible that you could get an upper echelon rushing attack from a player drafted later even though in 2014 we did just that.

 

[zrinkill]

Murray was a 3rd round pick. If you want to go get a RB at pick 76? I'm all for it. At 4? Insanity.

Thats just it Toruk ...... I dont want another Murray ...... he showed his true colors away from Romo and this line.

I want a star ....... and I think Zeke is it.

 

[erod]

Murray was a 3rd round pick. If you want to go get a RB at pick 76? I'm all for it. At 4? Insanity.

I've seen every game Murray has played since he was a freshman. He is not even close to the class of Elliott. He was a one-year wonder.

 

[erod]

There is no certainty in the draft, even in the Top 5.

I am not the one trying to argue that Elliott is a transcendent player that you absolutely have to take at 4 because it's nearly impossible that you could get an upper echelon rushing attack from a player drafted later even though in 2014 we did just that.

Murray was not elite. I saw every game he played in college and the pros. He had one magical year with a great QB and a great offensive line. He didn't do anything like that before, and he never will again.

Elliott will do it every year here. Watch.

 

[Sydla]

Thats just it Toruk ...... I dont want another Murray ...... he showed his true colors away from Romo and this line.

I want a star ....... and I think Zeke is it.

But that's just Toruk's point.

We had the best running attack in the NFL in 2014 and did so because we invested in the OL and turned a run of the mill 3rd rounder into the NFL's leading rusher. And yet despite that, the team came up short largely because their defense just wasn't good enough.

So when Toruk is saying what he's saying, he's saying it with the belief that in order to get over the hump, they need to build the defense, not invest even more into a running game that can probably be elite again given our OL and a 3rd round TB.

 

[gmoney112]

It wasn't too many years ago that three RBs went in the top 5.

This "position" nonsense is tired. Sure Gurley could go top 5, but most teams are SO AWFUL that they can't really take advantage of a great RB. Their needs are beyond hope.

Dallas isn't that. The Cowboys have an elite QB, an elite WR, an elite TE, and an elite offensive line. The missing piece is an Emmitt Smith-like back to glue it all together. Even more so than Murray did.

I don't think anyone disagrees that it'd be great to have a legitimate threat at RB.

It's just others don't see him outperforming Demarco from 2014 (in which case we still lost because of defense), and myself in particular think defense is more important in the NFL. Mainly because we don't have one, and mainly because we have all these other elite pieces on offense, like you mentioned.