Charles Haley? Really?

[nyc-cowboy]

Hey, I will be the first to admit that Charles put us over the the top and I am a BIG Charles Haley fan. But the ROH????

Man, I hate to say it, because I like Jerry Jones, but he dropped the ball here. Charles should not be in the ROH. Hell, he would not even admit that he was half Cowboys and half 49er's. Additionally, he said how much the 49er's organization and Bill Walsh meant to him during an interview after the announcement .

To his credit, he did say that he did not become to appreciate the game until he came to the Cowboys, but that's not enough. I thought we were keeping this exclusive. I don't know why, but this just doesn't feel right. Man, Jerry really messed up on this one. JMO.

Please give me reasons to change my mind.

Here is one way to look at - why was the ROH put in place - basically to honor our Cowboys legends.
Well what makes a Cowboy legend? I guess a HOF type player that helps in the ultimate goal of winning a SB and - up until Haley - spent most of their careers with the Boys.

The other legend could be a Cowboys great who maybe never won a SB but did have a HOF type career.

I understand the way you feel but Haley did have a BIG hand in 3 of our SBs and that is the ultimate goal after all. So IMO he should be in there.

BTW Martin should def be in, a long time ago.

What about Moose - that guy literally gave up his body for this team, I would love to see him in there.

Now Deion - no way I think he should be in the ROH.

 

[Texas_Pete]

Kind of OT here, but I have beef with Jerry for how he handled JJ. First off, he should have never fired him. And for that JJ has done for the Cowboys, how is he NOT in the ROH already - but is under "consideration?" The Cowboys as a franchise have 5 SB wins. Guess who won 2 of them and was responsible (in my eyes) for a 3rd? Answer: JJ. I also think that JJ would have won at least 2 more esp. given the fact that Switzer was able to win one...with JJ's players.

Also, Pearson should have been in years ago.

Neither Haley nor Deion belongs in Dallas' ROH.

These are just my opinions.

 

[rynochop]

With all due respect to the previous posters, I'm still not convinced. Haley should not be in the ROH. JMO

I agree, i loved Haley, but if he's in I could start a whole laundry list of players that should be in.

 

[jason54858]

Would you put Reggie White in the Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame? Reggie spent I believe six years in Green Bay but still had a rather large impact on the franchise. Much like Haley had on the on the Cowboys franchise. When I think back on Reggie White's career I think of him in a Packers uniform even though he played most of his career in Philadelphia (7-8 years).

 

[The Quest for Six]

FWIW - were it not for Charles Haley, you're name would be "The Quest For Three"

Really, and if the Bills didn't turn the ball over a record number of times in the two games and Dallas had the number one defense in the league without one member going to the probowl, if Washington didn't intercept the ball in the second half of the second game aganist the Bills and if larry Brown didn't intercept two passes, etc etc etc, the cowboys wouldn't of won any..........

I can give you a hundred reasons why the cowboys won those three superbowls and none would of included Haley, he was a part, not the key...

Haley spent 8 yers in a 49er uniform, he's a 49er, not a cowboy...ROH is exclusive for cowboys, not for guys brought in for a couple of years that helped us win a superbowl....

Haley over Harvy Martin is a complete joke!!!!!!!

Jimmy doesn't deserve to be in it either, nor deion, or Newton, or Novachek,

Woody does belong in the ROH since he's the alltime leading tackler for the cowboys and spent his entire career here and was a leader and anchor for this defense that won three superbowls..

 

[popp1234]

Would you put Reggie White in the Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame? Reggie spent I believe six years in Green Bay but still had a rather large impact on the franchise. Much like Haley had on the on the Cowboys franchise. When I think back on Reggie White's career I think of him in a Packers uniform even though he played most of his career in Philadelphia (7-8 years).

I see your point. But I don't think you can compare the Green Bay Hall of Fame to the ROH. I would venture to say that there are probably a lot more GB HOF members than ROH members. Simply because the ROH is more exclusive. Honestly, I take great pride in that.

 

[CowboyMike]

I see your point. But I don't think you can compare the Green Bay Hall of Fame to the ROH. I would venture to say that there are probably a lot more GB HOF members than ROH members. Simply because the ROH is more exclusive. Honestly, I take great pride in that.

I'd actually say that if there is one Hall of Fame/Ring of Honor in the NFL that compares to the Cowboys ROH, then it's the Packers HoF. It's just as prestigious and storied as ours is. We just don't like to acknowledge that because, well, we're Cowboys fans, not Cheeseheads.

The only reason they have more in there is because they've been around A LOT longer than we have. I'd say we're equally as exclusive.

America's Team and Title Town are the top two class, cream of the crop organizations in football, imo.

 

[Fletch]

That means Sanders is also in consideration....has to be now.

No way! For the sheer reason that Sanders EMBARRASSED HIS MAMMAAA! By doing so... he gave us Prime Time. :laugh2:

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Hey, I will be the first to admit that Charles put us over the the top and I am a BIG Charles Haley fan. But the ROH????

Man, I hate to say it, because I like Jerry Jones, but he dropped the ball here. Charles should not be in the ROH. Hell, he would not even admit that he was half Cowboys and half 49er's. Additionally, he said how much the 49er's organization and Bill Walsh meant to him during an interview after the announcement .

To his credit, he did say that he did not become to appreciate the game until he came to the Cowboys, but that's not enough. I thought we were keeping this exclusive. I don't know why, but this just doesn't feel right. Man, Jerry really messed up on this one. JMO.

Please give me reasons to change my mind.

If not for Charles, we wouldn't have had a Super Bowl caliber defense. Yes, the Bills were a push over and what not. We got the best years out of Charles. He was also very fierce and gave us all he could when he was here...to the point he hurt himself and still wanted to come back.

He never lacked effort and was a great leader on defense.


If I remember correctly, it was our medical staff that declined him to return because of his injury. I believe that's why he went back to the 9ers....

 

[popp1234]

If not for Charles, we wouldn't have had a Super Bowl caliber defense. Yes, the Bills were a push over and what not. We got the best years out of Charles. He was also very fierce and gave us all he could when he was here...to the point he hurt himself and still wanted to come back.

He never lacked effort and was a great leader on defense.


If I remember correctly, it was our medical staff that declined him to return because of his injury. I believe that's why he went back to the 9ers....

Look, I am NOT saying Haley did not put us over the top when he joined the team. Sanders put us over the top, also. So, by that logic, I guess he deserves to be in the ROH?

Let's not pretend Haley single handedly won those Super Bowls for the Cowboys. Charles Haley came to a very very good team and he made them better, no doubt. But we have players that were part of the Cowboys when they were NOT America's team, when they were doormats of the NFL, next years champions, etc. They stood the test of time, they were part of making the team what it is today. Some of them will be/has been screwed in my opinion.

I wonder if Haley was never inducted into the ROH, who would give a damn. Probably not too many people, because deep inside they might not feel he deserved it. Conversely, if Harvey Martin, Woodson, etc. were to never be inducted? Hmmmm. JMO

 

[The Curly One]

Charles Haley was definatly one of the most dominant players and deserves to be in the Hall of Fame no doubt. But I am not sure about the Ring of Honor because that is a strictly Cowboys thing and Charles Haley was a 49er forever and got most of his fame there. If he had spent most of his career here with us then the Ring of Honor would be a gimme.

 

[popp1234]

Charles Haley was definatly one of the most dominant players and deserves to be in the Hall of Fame no doubt. But I am not sure about the Ring of Honor because that is a strictly Cowboys thing and Charles Haley was a 49er forever and got most of his fame there. If he had spent most of his career here with us then the Ring of Honor would be a gimme.

We agree. :starspin

 

[SWG9]

Look, I am NOT saying Haley did not put us over the top when he joined the team. Sanders put us over the top, also. So, by that logic, I guess he deserves to be in the ROH?

Let's not pretend Haley single handedly won those Super Bowls for the Cowboys. Charles Haley came to a very very good team and he made them better, no doubt. But we have players that were part of the Cowboys when they were NOT America's team, when they were doormats of the NFL, next years champions, etc. They stood the test of time, they were part of making the team what it is today. Some of them will be/has been screwed in my opinion.

I wonder if Haley was never inducted into the ROH, who would give a damn. Probably not too many people, because deep inside they might not feel he deserved it. Conversely, if Harvey Martin, Woodson, etc. were to never be inducted? Hmmmm. JMO

I agree. Where do you draw the line?

We don't win a Superbowl without Norv Turner. So does Norv go in?

Novacek was Aikman's security blanket, so does he go in? What about Moose? Leon Lett? I've heard many argue that the OL was the true strength of those teams, so does Hudson Houck go in? Or is it Tony Wise? Or Nate Newton? etc., etc.

People are understandably in love in with those 90's teams, but you can't put every good player from that era in the ROH.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

When I think of Charles Haley I think of the Dallas Cowboys, sorry... He showed that defense how to be championship caliber.

 

[popp1234]

When I think of Charles Haley I think of the Dallas Cowboys, sorry... He showed that defense how to be championship caliber.

Once again, because of the Super Bowls, right? Wow, I respect your opinion, but I would have to go through about 20 people before Haley even entered my mind. I'm sorry, when I think of Charles Haley, I also think of the Dallas Cowboys, Deion Sanders, I think of the San Francisco 49ers, Atlanta Falcons, hired guns, great ones at that.....NOT Dallas Cowboys, but players that played great for the Dallas Cowboys. To me there is a distinction.

 

[gbrittain]

Once again, because of the Super Bowls, right? Wow, I respect your opinion, but I would have to go through about 20 people before Haley even entered my mind.

Yes, but I don't see a problem with that. There are a lot of Cowboys that would not have quite the legacy they do without the rings.

I am a huge Aikman fan and this is not to tear him down, but given his short career and not being a stat producer, do you think he would be in the HOF and ROH without those three rings? I don't see Danny White in the ROH.

So yes, I would say the three rings mean a lot.

 

[popp1234]

Yes, but I don't see a problem with that. There are a lot of Cowboys that would not have quite the legacy they do without the rings.

I am a huge Aikman fan and this is not to tear him down, but given his short career and not being a stat producer, do you think he would be in the HOF and ROH without those three rings? I don't see Danny White in the ROH.

So yes, I would say the three rings mean a lot.

To me, it's not JUST the rings? I agree, the rings do carry weight. Please consider this. How many Superbowls did the Cowboys win with Bob Lilly? How many with Randy White? Harvey Martin? Yet, they are all considered more prominent Cowboys than Charles Haley. Except to the youngsters, of course.

 

[CowboyMike]

Look, I am NOT saying Haley did not put us over the top when he joined the team. Sanders put us over the top, also. So, by that logic, I guess he deserves to be in the ROH?

Do you really think Deion put us over the top? Really, think about it.

We had already won 2 Super Bowls. Largely because of Charles Haley. We were a few freak NFC Championship game blunders the year before from going a third straight time. All of that despite Deion.

Acquiring Deion was more about preventing the 9ers from being put over the top more than it was about putting us over the top.

Charles Haley was an integral part of 3 Super Bowl championships. Deion was fluff for the last one. Charles was acquired via trade and thought of himself as a Cowboy. Deion was acquired through free agency and he was thought of as a mercenary.

 

[popp1234]

Do you really think Deion put us over the top? Really, think about it.

We had already won 2 Super Bowls. Largely because of Charles Haley. We were a few freak NFC Championship game blunders the year before from going a third straight time. All of that despite Deion.

Acquiring Deion was more about preventing the 9ers from being put over the top more than it was about putting us over the top.

Charles Haley was an integral part of 3 Super Bowl championships. Deion was fluff for the last one. Charles was acquired via trade and thought of himself as a Cowboy. Deion was acquired through free agency and he was thought of as a mercenary.

Charles Haley thought of himself as a Cowboy? Then why when the reporters asked him if he considered himself as a Cowboy and 49ers, he dodged the question. Now, go ask Moose Johnston if he is a Cowboy. Hell, ask Emmitt Smith if he is a Cowboy or Cardinal. Ask Deion if he is a Falcon or Cowboy.

 

[KJJ]

Haley helped put the Cowboys over the top in the 90's but he established himself as a great player with the 49ers helping them win 2 SB's. As great as he was with the Cowboys he shouldn't have been added to the ROH in my opinion. Adding Haley to the ROH is a break with tradition of only adding players who started their careers with the Cowboys where they built their reputation as great players.

Those players will always be remembered as Cowboys not Charles Haley. Chuck Howley started his career in Pittsburgh but only played maybe one or two games with the Steelers. A lot of Cowboy fans don't even know he started with the Steelers he made his name as a Cowboy.