Charlie Weiss Quoted

[Hostile]

What about going after Tressel of Ohio State if Weis is not available? He seems to have built a consistent winner.

College coaching doesn't translate well to the NFL. Look at Pete Carroll of USC. He's a major success story in the NCAA, a flop twice in the NFL.

Weis has NFL roots, therefore he's going to always be considered a better NFL choice.

 

[burmafrd]

if, ogt, you lend any credibility to Weis's words at all ( I know you think all coaches always lie) his point about not being able to afford the buyout with his multimillion dollar (somewhere around 3 million or so- not sure) salary does add credence to the $15 million dollar buyout. A lot more evidence of it then you have of anything you claim.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

if, ogt, you lend any credibility to Weis's words at all ( I know you think all coaches always lie) his point about not being able to afford the buyout with his multimillion dollar (somewhere around 3 million or so- not sure) salary does add credence to the $15 million dollar buyout. A lot more evidence of it then you have of anything you claim.

You have yet to provide any evidence for a $15 million dollar buyout that I have seen.

Maybe Charlie really does intend to stay at ND for the rest of his coaching days.

However what one intends to do and what happens down the road can be a different story.

Still have not seen any source that says a $15mill buy out.

Something that big surely would be on record by now.

 

[jackrussell]

College coaching doesn't translate well to the NFL. Look at Pete Carroll of USC. He's a major success story in the NCAA, a flop twice in the NFL.

Weis has NFL roots, therefore he's going to always be considered a better NFL choice.

There's an abundance of examples that can be used to make that point either way. For every Pete Carroll you can hang out there, I could give you a Butch Davis with 'NFL' roots that did not translate well into head coaching.

If one can get by the glamour of ND and the Charlie Weiss story, and go strictly on who has been a better head coach, Tressell wins hands down until proven differently. He was vastly underestimated when he moved up to Ohio State, but so far, has proven he can win at any level he has coached. Lumping him into a 'Pete Carroll' group is just a way too easy way out. Couldn't he be just as easily moved into the 'Jimmy Johnson' group?

 

[CowboyJeff]

I'd also love to see Weis taking over from Parcells. Whoever takes over for Parcells (I cringe at the thought of it being Zimmer) needs to have some experience working with a 3-4 defense. A head coach who wants to switch back to a 4-3 would have basically wasted 3 years of drafting.

Jeff

 

[burmafrd]

Why would it be on record if CW, his lawyer and the ND AD and Lawyer do not talk about it. They are the only ones that really know. We know the size of the total contract; and that the buyout was raised SUBSTANTIALLY from his first contract (that came from the AD). Buyouts are usually a percentage of the contract. The contract was somewhere over $30 million (the exact figure escapes me- but CW is getting over $3 mill per year and its a 10 year deal). I have seen buyouts that were the same size as the contract, pro rated over the years of the contract. The AD said that this extension was SPECIFICALLY meant to prevent NFL teams from trying to get Weis. The only logical way that could happen was to make the buyout prohibitively expensive. 50% of the contract is $15 million; so that is where it came from. I think that that is a logical number. And I visit the ND message board on Rivals and several others usually several times a week and last year that was the accepted amount of the buyout that many with ties to ND agreed was likely.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Why would it be on record if CW, his lawyer and the ND AD and Lawyer do not talk about it. They are the only ones that really know. We know the size of the total contract; and that the buyout was raised SUBSTANTIALLY from his first contract (that came from the AD). Buyouts are usually a percentage of the contract. The contract was somewhere over $30 million (the exact figure escapes me- but CW is getting over $3 mill per year and its a 10 year deal). I have seen buyouts that were the same size as the contract, pro rated over the years of the contract. The AD said that this extension was SPECIFICALLY meant to prevent NFL teams from trying to get Weis. The only logical way that could happen was to make the buyout prohibitively expensive. 50% of the contract is $15 million; so that is where it came from. I think that that is a logical number. And I visit the ND message board on Rivals and several others usually several times a week and last year that was the accepted amount of the buyout that many with ties to ND agreed was likely.

Because in this day and age not much gets by without leaking out somewhere.

All I see is you saying there is a $15 mil buy out yet I have yet to see one credible link...those ones you showed I did not see anything remotely close.

 

[Hostile]

There's an abundance of examples that can be used to make that point either way. For every Pete Carroll you can hang out there, I could give you a Butch Davis with 'NFL' roots that did not translate well into head coaching.

If one can get by the glamour of ND and the Charlie Weiss story, and go strictly on who has been a better head coach, Tressell wins hands down until proven differently. He was vastly underestimated when he moved up to Ohio State, but so far, has proven he can win at any level he has coached. Lumping him into a 'Pete Carroll' group is just a way too easy way out. Couldn't he be just as easily moved into the 'Jimmy Johnson' group?

I'm not lumping Tressel into any group. I'm saying College success doesn't necessarily mean NFL success.

Two NCAA roots Head Coaches won Super Bowls in the NFL, Jimmy Johnson & Barry Switzer. The latter with Johnson's team.

One of the greatest college coaches of all time, Bud Wilkenson, failed miserably in the NFL.

I'm not saying every NCAA head coach who has NFL roots will succeed if he goes back to the NFL. Butch Davis is a good example, but I'd like to point out his true roots were college at Miami on Jimmy's staff.

I'm not saying Tressel can't succeed. In fact if you research closely you'll find that I am one who roots for Kirk Ferentz to get an NFL shot. So, I'm not downplaying college to pro transformations. Merely pointing out college success doesn't equate to NFL success and I used Pete C. as the example.

I think Tressel could have better success than a lot of candidates because he runs an offense suited to the Pro Game, similar to Jimmy Johnson when he got his shot. Spurrier did not and look how that evolved.

The reason most think Weis can succeed is because of his roots in the NFL. Is it a birthright? Of course not.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm not lumping Tressel into any group. I'm saying College success doesn't necessarily mean NFL success.

Two NCAA roots Head Coaches won Super Bowls in the NFL, Jimmy Johnson & Barry Switzer. The latter with Johnson's team.

One of the greatest college coaches of all time, Bud Wilkenson, failed miserably in the NFL.

I'm not saying every NCAA head coach who has NFL roots will succeed if he goes back to the NFL. Butch Davis is a good example, but I'd like to point out his true roots were college at Miami on Jimmy's staff.

I'm not saying Tressel can't succeed. In fact if you research closely you'll find that I am one who roots for Kirk Ferentz to get an NFL shot. So, I'm not downplaying college to pro transformations. Merely pointing out college success doesn't equate to NFL success and I used Pete C. as the example.

I think Tressel could have better success than a lot of candidates because he runs an offense suited to the Pro Game, similar to Jimmy Johnson when he got his shot. Spurrier did not and look how that evolved.

The reason most think Weis can succeed is because of his roots in the NFL. Is it a birthright? Of course not.

I agree.

However I will say I think Tressel would probably be a good canidate for the NFL if he wanted to give it a try for some of the reasons you noted.

While some coaches who run certain systems would never make it IMO ala Spurrier and even the coach of WVU.