Cheating, does it bother anyone else?

[nathanlt]

The old rule is that cheaters never win, but this Super Bowl seems to be flying the face of that. Pete Carroll is known for his shady dealings at USC, jumping ship to Seattle just in time to avoid NCAA violations. On the other side, Belicheat, Shady Brady, and Robert Krafty are all taking the position of "YOU CAN'T PROVE WE CHEATED"

Defiant Cheaters, nice.

I mean, how do you cheer for any team in this Super Bowl? It only comes down to who you hate more, really. Maybe just watch the commercials on Youtube, and focus more on the party than the game, for once.

 

[JJHLH1]

Yes, it bother me greatly, as it does millions of other fans nationwide I'll bet.

 

[Rogah]

If we parse the rules as painstakingly as we have in this case (i.e. measuring pounds per square inch of a football in a cold, rainy environment) then there isn't a single team in pro sports (or big time college sports) that could claim to be 100% clean on all fronts imaginable.

Whether we are talking about salary cap violations, pine tar, stick 'em, restrictor plates, deliberately knocking the net off the moorings, steroids, adderrall, HGH, recruiting violations, under-the-table payments to amateurs, stealing signals, faking injury to get free time out, heated balls, curved sticks, corked bats, scuffed baseballs, tampering with players under contract elsewhere, bounties, diving or texting, there isn't a single franchise in professional sports (and top division college) that could withstand the scrutiny the Patriots have faced these past 11 days and come out sparkling clean.

Only difference all those other incidents don't make national headlines.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

If we parse the rules as painstakingly as we have in this case (i.e. measuring pounds per square inch of a football in a cold, rainy environment) then there isn't a single team in pro sports (or big time college sports) that could claim to be 100% clean on all fronts imaginable.

Whether we are talking about salary cap violations, pine tar, stick 'em, restrictor plates, deliberately knocking the net off the moorings, steroids, adderrall, HGH, recruiting violations, under-the-table payments to amateurs, stealing signals, faking injury to get free time out, heated balls, curved sticks, corked bats, scuffed baseballs, tampering with players under contract elsewhere, bounties, diving or texting, there isn't a single franchise in professional sports (and top division college) that could withstand the scrutiny the Patriots have faced these past 11 days and come out sparkling clean.

Only difference all those other incidents don't make national headlines.

Seriously man, you need some help. Clinical help. You need to check yourself in somewhere and see if you can get some kinda "return to reality" treatment and let this deflategate stuff go. Accept it for what it is.

 

[Nightman]

It's kind of pervasive in our society in general. Our leaders are constantly blurring the lines and everyone has a win at all costs, scorched Earth, the ends justify the means mentality.

Wall Street is no better and business ethics seems like an oxymoron.

Celebrities all cheat time with plastic surgery, singers auto-tune and lip sync.

Now 'Get off my lawn' you young whipper-snapper

 

[Rogah]

Seriously man, you need some help. Clinical help. You need to check yourself in somewhere and see if you can get some kinda "return to reality" treatment and let this deflategate stuff go.

Says the guy with the deflated football in his signature.

 

[Staubacher]

If we parse the rules as painstakingly as we have in this case (i.e. measuring pounds per square inch of a football in a cold, rainy environment) then there isn't a single team in pro sports (or big time college sports) that could claim to be 100% clean on all fronts imaginable.

Whether we are talking about salary cap violations, pine tar, stick 'em, restrictor plates, deliberately knocking the net off the moorings, steroids, adderrall, HGH, recruiting violations, under-the-table payments to amateurs, stealing signals, faking injury to get free time out, heated balls, curved sticks, corked bats, scuffed baseballs, tampering with players under contract elsewhere, bounties, diving or texting, there isn't a single franchise in professional sports (and top division college) that could withstand the scrutiny the Patriots have faced these past 11 days and come out sparkling clean.

Only difference all those other incidents don't make national headlines.

Poor little Patriots. Cheated their way to 3 Super Bowl wins and had to come up with new cheats to try and win the 4th.

 

[Rogah]

Poor little Patriots. Cheated their way to 3 Super Bowl wins and had to come up with new cheats to try and win the 4th.

Awww... you got to say "cheated" again.... how cute....

 

[Staubacher]

Awww... you got to say "cheated" again.... how cute....

The Patriots keep cheating.

You're really just running on fumes now, dude.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Says the guy with the deflated football in his signature.

So what are you saying now . . . . . . . . there were no deflated footballs?

C'mon man, I dont think this guy spent as much time getting OJ off as you've spent defending the Cheatriots here.

 

[Staubacher]

He's all ovah the place.

They're innocent.

Well, if they did it it's no big deal.

Well, they did it but other teams cheat, looky ovah there...

Hatahs

LOL

It's like watching a hamster running on the wheel

So what are you saying now . . . . . . . . there were no deflated footballs?

C'mon man, I dont think this guy spent as much time getting OJ off as you've spent defending the Cheatriots here.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

He's all ovah the place.

They're innocent.

Well, if they did it it's no big deal.

Well, they did it but other teams cheat, looky ovah there...

Hatahs

LOL

It's like watching a hamster running on the wheel

A confused hamster?

 

[YosemiteSam]

The old rule is that cheaters never win, but this Super Bowl seems to be flying the face of that. Pete Carroll is known for his shady dealings at USC, jumping ship to Seattle just in time to avoid NCAA violations. On the other side, Belicheat, Shady Brady, and Robert Krafty are all taking the position of "YOU CAN'T PROVE WE CHEATED"

Defiant Cheaters, nice.

I mean, how do you cheer for any team in this Super Bowl? It only comes down to who you hate more, really. Maybe just watch the commercials on Youtube, and focus more on the party than the game, for once.

All cheaters should be killed in a public display. Preferably by beheading.

 

[nathanlt]

All cheaters should be killed in a public display. Preferably by beheading.

I'm more hoping that what they think is secret will be public, and they will eventually be humiliated for not trusting in their talent and skill alone.

The Patriots do not let thugs play for them. If they could avoid the temptation to cheat, they'd be a respectable football team.

As it stands, they are despicable.

 

[JJHLH1]

It's kind of pervasive in our society in general. Our leaders are constantly blurring the lines and everyone has a win at all costs, scorched Earth, the ends justify the means mentality.

Wall Street is no better and business ethics seems like an oxymoron.

Celebrities all cheat time with plastic surgery, singers auto-tune and lip sync.

Now 'Get off my lawn' you young whipper-snapper

This is an excellent point. Our "leaders", of all stripes both political and private, get away with bending the rules and cheating without apparent consequence it seems. It all trickles down I suppose.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

"Games are popular art, collective, social reactions to the main drive or action of any culture. Games, like institutions, are extensions of social man and the body politic, as technologies are extensions of the animal organism. Both games and technologies are counter-irritants or ways of adjusting to the stress of the specialized actions that occur in any social group. As extensions of the popular response to the workaday stress, games become faithful models of a culture. They incorporate both the actions and the reactions of whole populations in a single dynamic image."

"Games are dramatic models of our psychological lives providing release of particular tensions."

"The games of a people reveal a great deal about them. Games are a sort of an artificial paradise like Disneyland, or some Utopian vision by which we interpret and complete the meaning of our daily loves. In games we devise a means of non-specialized participation in the larger drama of our time."

excerpts from Marshall McLuhan's Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man (Chapter 25,Games,1964)


In other words... footbal/the NFL which is the most popular sport known to man (well besides futbol) is an expression of our culture. What we believe in, how we act in our culture is sort of transferred to this game. Its a sort of illustration of drama and tension. Cheating, bending the rules, cutting corners etc. is a large part of how humans deal with things. There are consequences if you get caught in the real world as there should be in the NFL.

 

[Hoofbite]

Cheating sucks, but if you gave me one wish about what I want fixed in the NFL it wouldn't be making sure players aren't taking adderall or deflating footballs.

Fix the rule book and officiating. Keep in mind, I've been relatively pro-referee in the past because I don't think they intentionally screw teams over as some might. They just make bad calls. That said, the rulebook is such a jumbled mess that even instant replay has become a crap shoot.

They need to go through the rulebook page-by-page and remove as much subjective language as possible. As it stands, it's almost assured that a couple times per year a team will lose a game in part because a questionable call negated a good play.

Instant replay is broken, IMO, because every single big play gets scrutinized for any possible excuse to pull that play off the board. Almost like there's assumed doubt and without being able to explain why it may not be a catch, they go to the booth to find a reason to negate the catch.

It sucks to see teams benefit from skirting or breaking the rules, but it really sucks to see the rules themselves cost teams games.

Just my opinion.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The old rule is that cheaters never win.

It's funny... Someone called in to a radio show and said.

"If cheaters never win and winners never cheat"... Then what happened because... Pats / cheaters win 3x lol


Thought it was funny

 

[Idgit]

Yes. The cheating story has managed to take what little enjoyment I expected out of the game. It's now a farce as far as I'm concerned.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The Patriots do not let thugs play for them. If they could avoid the temptation to cheat, they'd be a respectable football team.

• Aaron Hernandez
  
• Johnathon Vilma
• Vince Wilfork

All of these guys have been know to do *thuggish* things. They all also happen to be Miami Hurricanes too. I don't find it weird that so many of the Pats players are shady and from the Hurricanes. I find it fitting of the types of players they like to employ.