Chest thumpin' time: Wimbley was the one we should have drafted.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Look, I won't deny that we would have had to give up some good stuff to draft Wimbley. Meant to put that in the original post but forgot so all you geniuses can catch me on it now.

My point is Bobby Carpenter was probably not worth where we drafted him and quite a few thought that from the start. Carpenter would be a phenomenal 2nd round pick, but 1st round... well, for a linebacker, I expect instant impact. Linebackers don't often go in the first round in case any of you homers had forgotten that simple fact.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If Wimbley had made it to No. 18 maybe we would have taken him, but we weren't going to give up draft picks to move up.

BTW, we didn't have a fourth-rounder until we traded back in the third round, and we would have had to give up a lot more than a fourth to move to Cleveland's spot.

as BigDFan5 said, commone sense need not apply in this thread

so butt out!

 

[tomson75]

BTW Hatcher has 2 sacks this preseason therefore he should have been picked as a high first rounder, and is equal value to Wimbley!

game. set. match.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

Give up picks to move up to #12 (Not just a 4th to move up there) to pick a guy that plays the same position as the guy we drafted at # 11 last year?

Okay.

Wow if thats the game then why didn't we pick Reggie his madden rating is 87 Carp's is only 82

what were we thinking......:bang2:

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

BTW Hatcher has 2 sacks this preseason therefore he should have been picked as a high first rounder, and is equal value to Wimbley!

Well, once again, show me the linebackers that have gone in the first round.

Off the top of my head, I think of Derrick Johnson, Brian Urlacher, DeMarcus Ware, Jonathan Vilma, Nick Barnett, Lavar Arrington, hmmm.... notice a pattern?

 

[DLK150]

BTW Hatcher has 2 sacks this preseason therefore he should have been picked as a high first rounder, and is equal value to Wimbley!

And Hatcher had one of his earlier in the 3rd quarter of a preseason game against players who aren't likely to be as scrubby as the ones you see late in the 3rd and 4th when Wimbley had his. He's a top ten talent and will be in Canton in 15 years or so. Book it!

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

Well, once again, show me the linebackers that have gone in the first round.

Off the top of my head, I think of Derrick Johnson, Brian Urlacher, DeMarcus Ware, Jonathan Vilma, Nick Barnett, Lavar Arrington, hmmm.... notice a pattern?

just so you know....pick 18 is in the first round too and carpenter is a linebacker as well....so umm

he kinda is clumped in with this argument

 

[DLK150]

Well, once again, show me the linebackers that have gone in the first round.

Off the top of my head, I think of Derrick Johnson, Brian Urlacher, DeMarcus Ware, Jonathan Vilma, Nick Barnett, Lavar Arrington, hmmm.... notice a pattern?

None of them have Super Bowl rings.

 

[BigDFan5]

Linebackers don't often go in the first round in case any of you homers had forgotten that simple fact.

I love when you call people names while at the same time being utterly wrong


In the last 2 years alone 11 LBs have been picked in round 1

that is over 17% of all first round picks the last 2 years

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Well, I can see this is a losing battle.

When you dudes decide to watch some football this decade, you'll realize that linebackers make their mark very early. Oh yeah, Carpenter can still pull a Bradie James and be a solid linebacker, but will he ever be a Ring of Honor candidate? Nope. Nowadays, linebackers are hit or miss in the 1st round. Go through your draft history if you don't believe me. There's a reason why coaches usually skip this positiion in the early rounds. If you waste a 1st on a linebacker, you better hope that he's a DeMarcus Ware.

 

[BigDFan5]

Well, I can see this is a losing battle.

When you dudes decide to watch some football this decade, you'll realize that linebackers make their mark very early. Oh yeah, Carpenter can still pull a Bradie James and be a solid linebacker, but will he ever be a Ring of Honor candidate? Nope. Nowadays, linebackers are hit or miss in the 1st round. Go through your draft history if you don't believe me. There's a reason why coaches usually skip this positiion in the early rounds. If you waste a 1st on a linebacker, you better hope that he's a DeMarcus Ware.

So after a couple preseason games you have figured out Carpenters entire career before a single real game :laugh2:

 

[tomson75]

I love when you call people names while at the same time being utterly wrong


In the last 2 years alone 11 LBs have been picked in round 1

that is over 17% of all first round picks the last 2 years

ouch.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Nowadays, linebackers are hit or miss in the 1st round.

all picks are hit or miss

anyways, what exactly is your point again? it got lost amid the stupidity

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

So after a couple preseason games you have figured out Carpenters entire career before a single real game :laugh2:

Yup. You can insult me and say I'm a fool all you want just like you probalby did when Henson was supposed to be the next great QB, but any 1st round linebacker should have won the starting position by now. BC has the potential to be a solid veteran down the line, but an impact mover, nope, would have already seen something by now. Would have never seen a true DE moved to LB.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

while linebackers acount for 13% of the starting 22 players on a team(4-3).....so 17% is alot but by my logic which i am doubting due to reasons that are my own, qb's making up 4% of the total 22 have accounted for 6 picks in the last two years

smith, rodgers,campbell,young, leinart, cutler

6-64 making that 9% so my logic may be dumb but some thought provoking anaylisis none the less!

 

[BigDFan5]

Yup. You can insult me and say I'm a fool all you want just like you probalby did when Henson was supposed to be the next great QB, but any 1st round linebacker should have won the starting position by now. BC has the potential to be a solid veteran down the line, but an impact mover, nope, would have already seen something by now. Would have never seen a true DE moved to LB.

I would insult you and call you a fool, but stating the obvious gets redundant. The reason Carpenter is not starting is because Ellis has done so well in his new role. No other reason.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

all picks are hit or miss

anyways, what exactly is your point again? it got lost amid the stupidity

Aw hell, I can't debate against you SIF, you hate me, you bring no logic to the table, no football rebuttal, other than you like to reply in any thread I start that has an unpopular opinion, and go with the majority opinion that is in disagreement.

If you don't agree, by all means, state your reasons. Don't just follow the pack.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

I would insult you and call you a fool, but stating the obvious gets redundant. The reason Carpenter is not starting is because Ellis has done so well in his new role. No other reason.

Nope. I gurantee you Bill would have never considered it if Carpenter had shown those same crazy skillz Ware did early on. Hey, I'm not in Cowboys training camp, just my opinion, but Carpenter was drafted to be our OLB, and when he didn't show any dominance early on as a pass rusher, Bill went to his last remaining card. Just my opinion. BTW, god bless Greg for doing a good job in the swap.

 

[DLK150]

Well, I can see this is a losing battle.

When you dudes decide to watch some football this decade, you'll realize that linebackers make their mark very early. Oh yeah, Carpenter can still pull a Bradie James and be a solid linebacker, but will he ever be a Ring of Honor candidate? Nope. Nowadays, linebackers are hit or miss in the 1st round. Go through your draft history if you don't believe me. There's a reason why coaches usually skip this positiion in the early rounds. If you waste a 1st on a linebacker, you better hope that he's a DeMarcus Ware.

So, 2 sacks in a preseason game is making a mark. You've all but got the guy as a hit rather than a miss before he's started a regular season NFL game. Preseason games are one notch above the underwear olympics when it comes to gauging a player's potential for success. There have been countless players that have displayed such brilliance and potential in the preseason that the likelihood of them having a long successful career is all but assured. Just as often as not, that potential goes unfulfilled.

It certainly can't be gauged based on less than one half of a preseason game against the second and third teamers from a team that was in the bottom third of the league last year in sacks allowed.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Aw hell, I can't debate against you SIF, you hate me, you bring no logic to the table, no football rebuttal

what is there to rebutt? you have defied all logic, since Wimbley was taken AHEAD of us, only to have you spin your wheels, and say we should have thrown in a 4th which we didn't have when the time to make a move was there! I'm being kind actually by not delving any deeper and making you look even worse