Chest thumpin' time: Wimbley was the one we should have drafted.

[Bob Sacamano]

Knowing Ellis' work ethic and team attitude, Parcells and defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer never doubted Ellis could make the transition if he put his mind to it.

But considering Ellis' rhetoric at minicamp in May and over the summer, the challenge was to get Ellis to buy into the vision.

advanced search is a wonderful thing

I've probably been ignored by Mr. Downey, so could someone give this to TBC

 

[BigDFan5]

Originally Posted by summerisfunner
Knowing Ellis' work ethic and team attitude, Parcells and defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer never doubted Ellis could make the transition if he put his mind to it.

But considering Ellis' rhetoric at minicamp in May and over the summer, the challenge was to get Ellis to buy into the vision.

advanced search is a wonderful thing

 

[jterrell]

I am not sure I get this one.

Wimbley was drafted 13th and plays OLB, Carpenter went 19th and is playing inside.

Is Mike Singletary a bad draft pick because he didn't rack up sacks playing Middle Linebacker?

This one is a head scratcher. This and the Hines/Glenn thing.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I am not sure I get this one.

Wimbley was drafted 13th and plays OLB, Carpenter went 19th and is playing inside.

Is Mike Singletary a bad draft pick because he didn't rack up sacks playing Middle Linebacker?

This one is a head scratcher. This and the Hines/Glenn thing.

is this why you gave up mod-ship?

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

I am not sure I get this one.

Wimbley was drafted 13th and plays OLB, Carpenter went 19th and is playing inside.

Is Mike Singletary a bad draft pick because he didn't rack up sacks playing Middle Linebacker?

This one is a head scratcher. This and the Hines/Glenn thing.

Yup, I screwed it up by forgetting to insert the preface that "you can say we couldn't afford to trade up for Wimbley." That would have at least taken out the rational arguments. As it is, I'm stuck fighting all the people who think Bobby Carpenter's true colors are yet so show. :

 

[tomson75]

All I'm asking for are some links. Some proof to show that Ellis was well on his way to being a strong linebacker before Carpenter enterered the picture. And again, you people seem to take it personal that BC couldn't win a job, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, I have stated he could be a solid vet. All I'm saying is that if we blew a 1st rounder on a linebacker, Wimbley seems to be the man. Props to everyone who was for him and saw the obvious advantages, cause lord knows, it wasn't me.

Here ya go:http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56585&highlight=mini+camp

Notice the fourth paragraph..."Ellis spent some time as a stand-up outside linebacker as well as a hand-down defensive end on the second team."

This was first reported in MAY.

 

[BigDFan5]

Good Job Tomson


Still waiting for a reply about LB's rarely being picked in round 1 when it happens frequently

 

[tomson75]

Good Job Tomson


Still waiting for a reply about LB's rarely being picked in round 1 when it happens frequently

or how about A.J. Hawks 3 tackles and 6 assists on a team with no depth at LB. he should have all of their tackles....he must be a bust.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

or how about A.J. Hawks 3 tackles and 6 assists on a team with no depth at LB. he should have all of their tackles....he must be a bust.

Green Bay should have taken Mario Williams!

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Here ya go:http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56585&highlight=mini+camp

Notice the fourth paragraph..."Ellis spent some time as a stand-up outside linebacker as well as a hand-down defensive end on the second team."

This was first reported in MAY.

Well, first off, that's June, not May, but I can see I'm fighting an uphill battle. I respectfully retreat. You fellas win. All I'm saying is that BC was drafted to originally be THE outside linebacker opposite Ware. I'm sure you remember all those heated debates we had about Lawson vs. Carpenter vs. Wimbley. He didn't cut it, Ellis made it, and IF we could afford any pick, the only guy looking like a sure bet is Wimbley. Hey man, I'm taking heat for this too because up until the last week of the draft, I had a sig with Manny Lawson in it. Just saying, if any LB was worthy of that #18 spot, it was only Wimbley, the rest could have waited.

 

[tomson75]

Well, first off, that's June, not May, but I can see I'm fighting an uphill battle. I respectfully retreat. You fellas win. All I'm saying is that BC was drafted to originally be THE outside linebacker opposite Ware. I'm sure you remember all those heated debates we had about Lawson vs. Carpenter vs. Wimbley. He didn't cut it, Ellis made it, and IF we could afford any pick, the only guy looking like a sure bet is Wimbley. Hey man, I'm taking heat for this too because up until the last week of the draft, I had a sig with Manny Lawson in it. Just saying, if any LB was worthy of that #18 spot, it was only Wimbley, the rest could have waited.

the link i gave is from June, it was reported before the mini-camp by Spags that Ellis would see time standing up....in May. Wimbley going against second and third stringers in the fourth quarter doesn't make him a sure bet. And all i'm saying is that its only been 3 GAMES...a little premature to be claiming Carpenter wasn't worthy of the 18th pick. No need to retreat, i just think you're jumping the gun.

 

[Kilyin]

Couple of sources...

Ellis, the antithesis of Owens, arrived in camp believing he was a defensive end. It was the position he played at North Carolina and for eight NFL seasons.

"After two or three practices, Coach Parcells told me to go down and do some individual workouts with the linebackers," Ellis said. "I didn't think much of it at first."

A couple days later, according to Ellis, Parcells approached him on the practice field and told him he was making him a full-time outside linebacker, moving ahead of last year's starter Al Singleton

Halfway through training camp, Bobby Carpenter is still a man without a position. But that’s not necessarily a bad thing. If anything, the Cowboys’ first-round pick is giving head coach Bill Parcells more options at a somewhat fluid linebacker position.

Carpenter was expected to compete with Al Singleton for the starting job at left outside linebacker, opposite second-year veteran DeMarcus Ware, when the Cowboys selected him with the 18th overall pick in April’s NFL Draft. He rotated there in the June mini-camp. “As one of the leaders on the team it’s up to me to really understand his role,” fourth-year inside linebacker Bradie James said. “What we want him to do is contribute as much as possible, whether it be starting or on special teams.”

But Carpenter’s role is presently undefined. He has been a rolling stone here on the River Ridge Complex practice fields, first shifting to inside linebacker when the defense showed nickel early in camp, then to the second unit ahead of Scott Shanle in the base 3-4 scheme by last Saturday’s scrimmage. “We’ve kind of moved him around a little bit,” Parcells said of Carpenter, who played outside and inside at Ohio State. “I don’t like to do that with rookies, but he seems to be able to handle it.”

Carpenter flourished inside during the scrimmage, recording three sacks and several tackles. Defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer said Carpenter looks “good” inside. “He’s a really good athlete,” Zimmer said. “We’ve got to get him a little more physical at the point of attack. He’s a productive guy. Now we’ve got to get him doing things the way we want it done.”

Meanwhile, ninth-year veteran Greg Ellis is settling into Carpenter’s initial left outside linebacker spot. The Cowboys want to see if Ellis, a career 4-3 defensive end, can play effectively without his hand on the ground. Ellis had two sacks and a pass deflection in the scrimmage and has worked with the first team ahead of Singleton the past few days. Zimmer said Carpenter’s current shift inside has nothing to do with Ellis’ emergence.

 

[SloppyOctopuss]

I don't think it's a question of Carpenter looking like a 'bust' so far....it just shows how loaded and deep we are at the LB position this year compared to last season. Shanle was starting for us last year and is already gone before the first cuts because there is no longer a place on this team for him.

Carpenter should be fine, are front seven is going to be a force this year.

 

[tomson75]

currently re-watching the game, and Carpenter was constantly around the ball throughout the third quarter (haven't made it to the fourth). Looks like he should have been credited with three tackles and two assists...not to mention a FORCED FUMBLE. This thread was pointless, Carpenter is going to be a player.

 

[Hiero]

2 sacks for Wimbley in the preseason.

0 for Carpenter or Lawson.

Not to say both can't improve and show some stuff later down the road, but you get the drift. I've already seen threads from respected Zone members talkin' about how Carpenter hasn't shown anything yet.

So for all you folks who were on board the Wimbley bandwagon (I joined very, very late, was all Lawson until the last week), the Zone salutes you. You should join the Cowboys as a consultant.

Can't help but think of that one guy who always had that sig of Wimbley in peak physical shape and the line "good bye my love." Imagine how much catastrophe this defense would wreck with Ware and Wimbley, Canty and Spears for years to come.

one of the dumbest posts of late and thats saying a lot. carpenter plays a different role on a different team to say the least. I guess it doesnt matter than Wimbley went #12 and Bobby went #18. Bobby is gonna be a great player, personally I liked him better than Wimbley pre draft and still think he has a bigger future than Wimbley. I also liked Lawson better than Wimbley and I think Lawson has the better career still.

 

[SuspectCorner]

wimberly has a whopping 2 pre-season sacks. well that certainly settles it.

carpenter is a bust and our coaching/scouting staff has blown it again.

coaching and the natural maturation process are entirely over-rated.

all is lost.

 

[Rack]

Chest thumpin' time: Wimbley was the one we should have drafted.

I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but your post was so overly ignorant that it warrants mentioning again...


Wimbley was drafted BEFORE the cowboys took Carpenter.

 

[jman]

WOW...the season hasn't even started and we are starting the "I won't be happy till we have all the players we didn't draft" crap...

 

[JackMagist]

WOW...the season hasn't even started and we are starting the "I won't be happy till we have all the players we didn't draft" crap...

Even though they were gone LONG before our turn to pick came up.

And it turns into a 6 page thread

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I thought Wimbley was gone when we picked--right?