Chris Collinsworth brought up something we've all been thinking

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I think many are missing the human element.

He’s young, brand new baby and finance, generational wealth and wants to build his family and brand.

Most would do the exact same thing in his situation. He cannot help that Jerry is bad at negotiations. He cannot help that his brain cannot function at a high enough level to read defense. He can’t make the plays around him better he knows that.

I’ve been hard on Dak since year 2 because he showed flashes of inability to hit receivers that are moving and read anything other than the option to the te or the curl route.

He is what he is and it doesn’t matter what we say.
 

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Not worth its own thread but I'll throw it in here.

People always say "what are you going to do at QB if you don't sign Dak?" Well, look around the league. Winston looked good today. Mayfield looks good. Cousins looks good. These are all free agent QB's that were available at points. The idea of positional scarcity at the QB position is overblown at best.

Beyond that, a lot of QB performance is really just the quality of the players around the QB (and the coach). If you give Dak a good line, running game and better scheme, I guarantee you that he is going to look a lot better. That cuts both ways though. A lot of those FA QB's that people say suck really were just in bad situations.

Paying $60m per year for a QB like Dak is asinine. Its just like paying Zeke that gawd awful deal he got.
you can't take a one game sample and say hey look over there, Winston looked good "today". what about next week? what about the week after that and for the year and season.....you can't switch QBs week in week out. it doesn't work and you can't have 8 QBs on your team to do that...and there is a reason Winston is bouncing around and being repalced by lesser QBs. he sucks! Garrett played a game on Thanksgiving and threw for 300+ yards and 4 TDs and beat GB and Favre....should we resign Garrett!!! any QB can have a day here or there, but you need long term solution.

the scarcity of QB position is not overblown, its real. there is a talent Like mahomes, second level is Burrows and Allen, and then there is the rest....some young ones seem to be coming, but need at least 3 seasons of good play to say we got our QB....

and I agree with your second statement. no QB can do it alone. better ones need less to succeed. Mahomes is a generational talent. GENERATIONAL. meaning you ain't going to find one like him easily....there is one...and so even he needs support to succeed evident when his OL was not good he scored all of 9 points against tampa in superbowl.... so all of them...ALL OF THEM need talent, just depends on how much talent. look at Burrows!!! they are 3-5 and if he was elite and that good, he could put the team on his shoulder and they should be 6-1.

I also agree, coaching is huge. I watched part of the niners game. and our scheme right now is so lazy and bad. its like the coaches have mailed it in, going through the motions. the first interception, not that I am not faulting Dak, there were 4 WRs in routes, two ran a come back, and the other was underneath and Turnpin ran deep. the niners were in a deep zone defense, but they never challenged the deep saftey to have to make a decision. he just floated towards Turpin, who by the way had zero separation on a deep route even before the throw (and he is supposedly a speedster). bad design. bad execution and a bad throw, end up in bad results.

and my final comment. yes, 60M is a lot. what if we paid dak 50M, would that make you feel better? is 10M the difference between a championship team and not a championship team? btw, we have 23M on the cap. so its not the contract necessarily, the numbers just bothers the fan more than anything else. its the man leading the make up of this team who is totally at fault.
 

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No..Romo wouldn't have. While he would have done better than Dak, Romo doesn't play defense and defense is what screwed us in the playoffs. We've seen that dance before. Romo played well enough to win but the defense couldn't get stops...every.single.time.

He wouldn't have changed the outcome.
If you score more points than them you win. Romo could. (er...MOST of the time!)
 

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I think many are missing the human element.

He’s young, brand new baby and finance, generational wealth and wants to build his family and brand.

Most would do the exact same thing in his situation. He cannot help that Jerry is bad at negotiations. He cannot help that his brain cannot function at a high enough level to read defense. He can’t make the plays around him better he knows that.

I’ve been hard on Dak since year 2 because he showed flashes of inability to hit receivers that are moving and read anything other than the option to the te or the curl route.

He is what he is and it doesn’t matter what we say.
Wait...WHICH excuse is it? Faimly/brand? Or physical/mental?
 

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But his ankle/leg is fine, and the walking boot while on vacation was precautionary? Well, somebody named me is smart enough to know that Dak is/was not the same from when he lost his leg, but why not go out and sign him anyhow to the stupid contract? You can't make this stuff up
It's Jerry Jones way. Look at Michael Gallup and Terrance Steele both getting big dumb contracts after suffering a pretty serious injury. At least in Dak's situation he is coming off of a MVP caliber year last year. But when they waited until the start of the season to resign him they should of just waited until after the season, especially after setting him up to fair with no run game, a shaky oline, and really only 1 NFL caliber wr. It's not like he has Jalen Hurts supporting cast on offense. Jalen Hurts should be having a crazy year with the amount of talent the Eagles have on offense. They could of expected him not to be as good as he was last year. But then again look at the contracts guys like the Jaguars Trevor Lawrence got which is like 55 million a year. The QB market is just wild.
 

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If you score more points than them you win. Romo could. (er...MOST of the time!)
Yes, but again, when did our defense ever make stops when it mattered most back then? I refer you to the Broncos-Cowboy shootout. Romo helped put up 48 points and the defense didn't get one stop and allowed 51. I know that was in 2013, but we saw the same thing in the GB playoff game in 2016. Rodgers could score whenever he wanted against our defense. The defense lost that game. Romo likely wouldn't have made a difference.
 

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Yes, but again, when did our defense ever make stops when it mattered most back then? I refer you to the Broncos-Cowboy shootout. Romo helped put up 48 points and the defense didn't get one stop and allowed 51. I know that was in 2013, but we saw the same thing in the GB playoff game in 2016. Rodgers could score whenever he wanted against our defense. The defense lost that game. Romo likely wouldn't have made a difference.
yes...I was going to reference that game..instead....I added "MOST of the time".

I just LOVE these imaginative speculations...."romo likely wouldn't have made any difference"? You seem awfully sure about that. It likely wouldn't have been the same scenario.
 

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yes...I was going to reference that game..instead....I added "MOST of the time".

I just LOVE these imaginative speculations...."romo likely wouldn't have made any difference"? You seem awfully sure about that. It likely wouldn't have been the same scenario.
And your stance is the same imaginative speculation in the other direction. Nobody will ever know for sure, but what we DO know is the defense always failed to make stops in critical moments. That's the one defining factor of the team in those seasons.
 

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Yes, but again, when did our defense ever make stops when it mattered most back then? I refer you to the Broncos-Cowboy shootout. Romo helped put up 48 points and the defense didn't get one stop and allowed 51. I know that was in 2013, but we saw the same thing in the GB playoff game in 2016. Rodgers could score whenever he wanted against our defense. The defense lost that game. Romo likely wouldn't have made a difference.
Wrong. The defense got the most important stop of the game. They got the stop when needed most and put the ball in Romo's hands to win the game.

What does Romo do? He promptly throws the blatant game losing interception. He choked because now the game was all on him. Throws a pick on our end for the easy chip shot FG for Denver to win.

Romo lost that game by choking at the worst possible moment which is what he did his entire career.

You Romo stans WILL NOT rewrite history on that Denver game. I won't allow it.
 

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Gavin brought up Dak wearing that boot in the Summer. Maybe QB1 had an issue that wasn't publicized effecting his lower body still. Just a thought.
 

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Wrong. The defense got the most important stop of the game. They got the stop when needed most and put the ball in Romo's hands to win the game.

What does Romo do? He promptly throws the blatant game losing interception. He choked because now the game was all on him. Throws a pick on our end for the easy chip shot FG for Denver to win.

Romo lost that game by choking at the worst possible moment which is what he did his entire career.

You Romo stans WILL NOT rewrite history on that Denver game. I won't allow it.
You are barking up the wrong tree, dude. Romo didn't get it done in the end and Dak's even worse. That "game-ending" interception shouldn't have happened, but then again, the defense allowed 51 points. Let that sink in. 48 should have been enough to win any game.

Sorry your hero Dak is a loser, but he chokes. He'll never get it done like Romo never got it done, but at least with Romo, there was a feeling that it wasn't over. Not like Garbage time Choke Prescott.

I don't give a dang what you will "allow" or not. The facts are there. The defense cost the game. 51 points dude. Just like the defense cost the game against GB in 2016.
 

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Can I get your thoughts on the Watson contract too?
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Who did the media and fans forget to add context something I've noticed we've all been thinking is Jerry the GM what has he been doing in the off seasons and before the trade deadline what is he done to technically go all in or load this team up to help Prescott like all or many of these guys I'm gonna mention below outside of maybe one or two of them they've all had GM's and head coaches and coaching Staffs have done more to try to make the team better around their quarterback hours we don't have a run game worst run game in the League One of the worst run defenses in the League One of the worst coaching Staffs in the league and given that take the talent is nowhere near where it needs to be and we don't have the coaching staff to elevate them at all the schemes the route trees the play calls they're all pretty bad so whenever I hear this and I keep saying this somehow Prescott's dropped off no the phone off the Cliff but the anchor seems to be around Prescott's neck when it comes to media and the fans because I don't hear any context I mean we have all these threads on Prescott because he throws a few interceptions are you serious he he has problems finding open guys because they're almost never open and he almost never has time to throw them and you're saying his run game is what's causing all this as far as at quarterback how about he has an actual run game to support him not be 1 dimensional in a blocking scheme tackles that actually blocked long enough and coaches that actually drop some plays to get guys open we keep forgetting about this well let's stay on the cornerback they get paid the most but Prescott is on an island ,how?

recent big money deals,

Mahomes technically by this place standards only truly qb to have earned his money got paid and delivered again.. yet last 12-13 games has dropped fff as more an dmore talent has taken away he has more inTs and less tds than Dak..hmmm much better coaching staff, OC, DC, and GM..Ironic huh?

TUA, Murray, Watson, Jones, Herbert, and Lawerence has done what?? all highly paid QBs..????

Love one good season ie still TBD

Goff on 2 loaded all in teams now..

Jhurts GM is all in every year/burrows had 3 High Producing WRs and Mixon at RB, sure the oh they at least been to a SB Ill. say team game and they didn't win it.. Stafford won SB on a loaded all in, loaded team and still led the league in INTS and had 2 INTS in the SB..

Lamar Jackosn 2-5 in the playoffs has some sad Playoff numbers despite a Great coaching staff and great defense and typical a great running team and NOWQ Loaded watch he might make SB with TEAM loaded.
 

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It's Jerry Jones way. Look at Michael Gallup and Terrance Steele both getting big dumb contracts after suffering a pretty serious injury. At least in Dak's situation he is coming off of a MVP caliber year last year. But when they waited until the start of the season to resign him they should of just waited until after the season, especially after setting him up to fair with no run game, a shaky oline, and really only 1 NFL caliber wr. It's not like he has Jalen Hurts supporting cast on offense. Jalen Hurts should be having a crazy year with the amount of talent the Eagles have on offense. They could of expected him not to be as good as he was last year. But then again look at the contracts guys like the Jaguars Trevor Lawrence got which is like 55 million a year. The QB market is just wild.
Everybody and their mother said Dak should play out his contract this year, then see what his value is on the open market. After this disaster, does anybody still think he'd get $60+ as many were convinced he would?
 

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A monumental mistake resigning him so fast
what do you mean so fast it was on the very last year of his deal and last time he had to break his ankle on the franchise had to get paid he did not get paid too fast get over yourself in this whole damn place needs to get over themselves anybody thinks Prescott problem and he's overpaid forgot that the GM hasn't given him any talent the coaching staff is pretty horrible the schemes are pretty horrible


I mean that is the narrative he has one of the worst front offices in football when it comes to evaluating the offseason bringing in free agents and better talent he has were the worst coaching staff to utilize the less talent some teams can get away with it 'cause they can scheme guys open their backups look better or as good as their starters at times like in San Francisco the talents not necessarily better in that case the coaching staff is I find it hilarious that people in here picking up Prescott because he's had some rough games not bad games rough times and games because he doesn't have people blocking at both tackle spots at times are horrible he's under pressure a lot he has no run game the offence is 1 dimensional one of the worst defenses in football so now yeah the pressures on him hey play perfect we need you to be absolutely perfect or we're losing games and then the fan base is gonna call you out the media's gonna call you out even though it's absolutely false it's a false narrative that he's seeing ghosts and then he's not seeing the field well no the man is under a lot of pressure he doesn't have anything around him worth discussing this anymore..

I mean which is it the narrative bad front office and GM and coaching and the coaching staff in the way some of the players are not running routes the right way this and that there's no run game but Oh my must be Prescott's overpaid no he's not they didn't pay him too soon they paid him too late if they have paid him in February and if they have paid lamb in February and if we have a good GM in front office because that is the narrative around here use the money that they saved by extending these players and brought in some talent you remember why didn't they bring in Derrick Henry why didn't they replace Terence steel why didn't they replace the offensive line coach how come they didn't fire Mike McCarthy when they had the chance they brought in a washed up yes man and Mike Zimmer who doesn't have enough talent and we have all these injuries I mean what is it Prescott doesn't have what a lot of these other players have G miss going and bringing in extra talent wide receivers running backs just in the recent last three weeks teams are trying to fix some of their holes and they're better than us they were already better than us and they're still bringing in talent not Jerry Jerry says when everyone comes back from injury be a lot better.

But now the narrative once again it's on the quarterback like it was on Romo no our quarterback can be close to MVP he needs some talent all these teams that have the all in let's load up our team and see how it goes GMs in front offices we don't have here.

You guys are straight up hypocrites a lot of you say all that about the front office and the coaching staff and some of the lack of talent we have on this team and how bad some of the players are playing around Prescott but then we want to bring up be his fault because he wanted to throw the ball away and not throwing interceptions more I'm sorry I watched some of the best quarterbacks in this game throw a ton of interceptions and yet their teams overcome them because they have better teams..

you're asking Prescott to do something no other quarterback was asked to do it's carrying the team with a lack of talent and a terrible coaching staff, that's really nice.lmao!!!!!!.
 

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And your stance is the same imaginative speculation in the other direction. Nobody will ever know for sure, but what we DO know is the defense always failed to make stops in critical moments. That's the one defining factor of the team in those seasons.
I made no claim.
 

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you can't take a one game sample and say hey look over there, Winston looked good "today". what about next week? what about the week after that and for the year and season.....you can't switch QBs week in week out. it doesn't work and you can't have 8 QBs on your team to do that...and there is a reason Winston is bouncing around and being repalced by lesser QBs. he sucks! Garrett played a game on Thanksgiving and threw for 300+ yards and 4 TDs and beat GB and Favre....should we resign Garrett!!! any QB can have a day here or there, but you need long term solution.

the scarcity of QB position is not overblown, its real. there is a talent Like mahomes, second level is Burrows and Allen, and then there is the rest....some young ones seem to be coming, but need at least 3 seasons of good play to say we got our QB....

and I agree with your second statement. no QB can do it alone. better ones need less to succeed. Mahomes is a generational talent. GENERATIONAL. meaning you ain't going to find one like him easily....there is one...and so even he needs support to succeed evident when his OL was not good he scored all of 9 points against tampa in superbowl.... so all of them...ALL OF THEM need talent, just depends on how much talent. look at Burrows!!! they are 3-5 and if he was elite and that good, he could put the team on his shoulder and they should be 6-1.

I also agree, coaching is huge. I watched part of the niners game. and our scheme right now is so lazy and bad. its like the coaches have mailed it in, going through the motions. the first interception, not that I am not faulting Dak, there were 4 WRs in routes, two ran a come back, and the other was underneath and Turnpin ran deep. the niners were in a deep zone defense, but they never challenged the deep saftey to have to make a decision. he just floated towards Turpin, who by the way had zero separation on a deep route even before the throw (and he is supposedly a speedster). bad design. bad execution and a bad throw, end up in bad results.

and my final comment. yes, 60M is a lot. what if we paid dak 50M, would that make you feel better? is 10M the difference between a championship team and not a championship team? btw, we have 23M on the cap. so its not the contract necessarily, the numbers just bothers the fan more than anything else. its the man leading the make up of this team who is totally at fault.
I would rather have Mayfield and his $36m deal than Dak and his $60m deal. $24m would cover keeping Pollard and Biadasz, as an example.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/table/passing/sort/QBRating/dir/desc

Overall, I would say that there are 25 QB's in the NFL nowadays that if you put them with a good coach, line, running back and receivers will look pretty good. Dak certainly among them. That wasn't the case years ago. I stand by my statement that positional scarcity isn't there anymore. Unless you have your hands on a Mahomes or maybe a few others, paying the big bucks isn't worth it.
 
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