Chris Collinsworth on DeMarcus Ware

[AdamJT13]

As good as Ware is right now I think Ellis is a little better. Ellis definitely does not have Ware's talent but I think he is a little better player right now.

Ellis isn't close to Ware's level in any facet of the game.

 

[smarta5150]

Ellis isn't close to Ware's level in any facet of the game.

I have already questioned it twice.

Not going for a trifecta.

How someone thinks Ellis is BETTER than Ware is beyond me.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Bill wanted to pick Spears. Jerry saved the day and picked Ware instead.

Well if that's the case then kudos to Jethro!

 

[SuspectCorner]

That's probably what gets most people. He is an arrogant SOB. But it doesn't bother me, because he's usually right.

I don't think Collinsworth has an arrogant bone in his body. He's so "aw shucks" good-natured... he kinda reminds me of Gomer Pyle in his demeanor. Even when he was enduring the ribbings Aikman ocasionally (okay... more than occasionally) provided regarding Chris' lack of "the ring".

 

[Aikbach]

Parcells was an incredible NFL coach and talent evaluator but 50/50 with his 1st round selections over the span of his career.

Some of his notable mishaps were corrected by head strong owners, for instance in 1996 with the seventh pick in the draft Parcells had his heart set on defensive end Cedric Jones but Robert Kraft refused and insisted upon Terry Glenn as a threat for Drew Bledsoe.

Glenn went on to become a Parcells favorite an ironic occurrence in light of what happened on draft day in 1996.

James Farrior was initially a bust when drafted by Parcells but he's turned around his career and since become productive after a slow start, maybe Bobby Carpenter will follow suit.

The 2000 draft saw the Jets which Parcells gmed at the time, with 4 first round picks, they ended up being Chad Pennington, Shaun Ellis, Anthony Bect and John Abrhams.

Ellis and Abrhams were solid, Pennington average and Bect a wasted pick.

In Dallas Terence Newman is a star, 2004 had no first round pick due to trade and 2005 landed two starters in round one, 2006 saw everyone's favorite whipping boy Bobby Carpenter join the team.

So for every Willie McGinest, DeMarcus Ware, Ty Law and Terence Newman he drafted, Parcells had Anthony Bect and Bobby Carpenter to answer for.

 

[burmafrd]

Disagree about Pennington. He had a much stronger arm before all the injuries - he was VERY good for several years.
This urban legend about Bill wanting Spears more then ware is just that. EARLY offseason, WEEKS before the draft, Bill thought he would be able to get spears first and wait on Ware. But when Ware lit up the combine, he shot up the draft charts. He was a late 1st rd pick untill then. Then he shot up to at least top 15. At that point, Bill agreed that they had to take Ware first. He was afraid someone else would grab Spears since spears was the acknowledged best 3-4 DE available, and you HAVE to have them to play the 3-4. Bill and Jerrah were worried about getting a second 3-4 DE since they knew that Ellis was not big enough. We lucked into Canty. That is why he was so relieved that Spears was still there at 20.

 

[JPM]

Disagree about Pennington. He had a much stronger arm before all the injuries - he was VERY good for several years.
This urban legend about Bill wanting Spears more then ware is just that. EARLY offseason, WEEKS before the draft, Bill thought he would be able to get spears first and wait on Ware. But when Ware lit up the combine, he shot up the draft charts. He was a late 1st rd pick untill then. Then he shot up to at least top 15. At that point, Bill agreed that they had to take Ware first. He was afraid someone else would grab Spears since spears was the acknowledged best 3-4 DE available, and you HAVE to have them to play the 3-4. Bill and Jerrah were worried about getting a second 3-4 DE since they knew that Ellis was not big enough. We lucked into Canty. That is why he was so relieved that Spears was still there at 20.

Pennington was very good for the Jets before his arm starting getting hurt.

I remember Parcells seemed very happy after they drafted Ware, he was on ESPN and said he reminded him of #56, so I really don't get where he wanted to draft Spears.

 

[superpunk]

Pennington was very good for the Jets before his arm starting getting hurt.

I remember Parcells seemed very happy after they drafted Ware, he was on ESPN and said he reminded him of #56, so I really don't get where he wanted to draft Spears.

One day, a sportswriter started to get really curious about his body. He started fishing around, and found a hole that "Everybody Poops" out of. After careful investigation, he discovered there was all sorts of other stuff in there.

Like news stories.

And coffee cake.

And that kids, is how rumors become facts in message board lore.

 

[VACowboy]

Ellis better than Ware??

How does anyone figger that?

Ware's much better against the run.

Ware's 887217779927 times better in pass coverage.

Half of Ellis' sacks have resulted from pressure generated by Ware.

 

[superpunk]

Ellis better than Ware??

How does anyone figger that?

Ware's much better against the run.

Ware's 887217779927 times better in pass coverage.

Half of Ellis' sacks have resulted from pressure generated by Ware.

It will be tough to put this into words, because I don't think there's any question that Ware is the FAR superior player to Ellis - but I think in pass rushing this season, Ellis may have him.

I'm seeing Ellis outwork people for his sacks - I could be wrong, but recently they have not been the clean up variety. Ellis is using technique and smarts to get his sacks, because frankly he could never dream of doing what Ware does to tackles with his athleticism. Ware is getting his because he is a freakish athlete, Ellis is getting his because he is a better "pass rusher" than Ware, or has more facets to his pass rushing IMO.

That said, it's not a coincidence that many of our biggest plays against us have come against Ellis and Reeves in coverage. I don't think teams would dream of flanking the TE out wide to Ware's side, because he can drop far better than Ellis. But they flip it to Ellis' side because he can't cover the underneath like he's supposed to.

 

[QT]

Disagree about Pennington. He had a much stronger arm before all the injuries - he was VERY good for several years.
This urban legend about Bill wanting Spears more then ware is just that. EARLY offseason, WEEKS before the draft, Bill thought he would be able to get spears first and wait on Ware. But when Ware lit up the combine, he shot up the draft charts. He was a late 1st rd pick untill then. Then he shot up to at least top 15. At that point, Bill agreed that they had to take Ware first. He was afraid someone else would grab Spears since spears was the acknowledged best 3-4 DE available, and you HAVE to have them to play the 3-4. Bill and Jerrah were worried about getting a second 3-4 DE since they knew that Ellis was not big enough. We lucked into Canty. That is why he was so relieved that Spears was still there at 20.

And everyone and their moma wanted Mike Williams that year. What if Mike dropped one more pick. I think the Cowboys were high on Mike that year. Think of these awesome duel. Mike Williams and Marcus Spears. SCARRRY!!! lol....

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

This has nothing to do with Collinsworth's props to Ware....


But... does anyone here this come out of his mouth as a preface before everything else comes out of his mouth?...


"Doh.... I am annnnnnnnnnn idiot".... now here are my thoughts....

that goofy face, that cartoon smile and his self love LOL

 

[visionary]

No doubt about it... A few years ago when the Eagles walked all over the rest of the crappy NFCE, three of four from their secondary made the Pro Bowl. Now, not so much.

But I agree -- Demarcus hasn't even reached his potential yet. People think Newman will be expensive? Ware will break the bank.

Jerry is building a bigger bank