Cincinnati's Kelly Headed to Notre Dame

[Biggems]

There isn't a single coach in football that would stay at Cincinnati instead of Notre Dame. Would you?

trick question? first of all, I would never coach Cincinnati. But if I did, I wouldn't leave it for Notre Dame. I have never liked Notre Dame. I am not Catholic, nor do I care to have to abide by all of their tightfitting rules.

If I am going to work a high profile private university, give me Stanford. Sure, I may not care for those No-Cal hippies, but at least the area is beautiful, the women are hot, their sports are top notch, and I can go on Great White Shark tours.

What is there in South Bend, besides cold? Nothing. No thank you.

For me it has never been about the money or even the notoriety. So give me a job at some middle of the road school and let me build that school up, become a successful program.....stay there for a bit, then move on to a similar situation....a new middle of the road school needing a boost in their football program.

One thing I hate about Notre Dame right now is the unhealthy expectations they have for their football program. They really have nothing to offer the 5 and 4 star athletes, other than a top level education. Most of these players dont care. They want warm weather, girls, nightlife, entertainmant options, etc. The coaches feel even more pressure than guys like Mack Brown, Urban Mayer, Pete Carroll, Bob Stoopes, and Les Miles......and get half the talent to work with.

So no to Neuter Dame

 

[burmafrd]

I BASK in your hatred of Notre Dame. Just like I do with those that hate the Cowboys. Interesting how both teams right now are about in the same area-Cowboys somewhat ahead but with their own not very respected coach. ND has the edge since they got a new dynamic coach. And its a lot easier and quicker to improve a roster in college then it is in the pros.

Oh and if all top recruits want sun and girls in bikini's all the time why does Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State still recruit so well?

 

[Rogah]

trick question? first of all, I would never coach Cincinnati.

This statement is just too stupid to address. So if you were making about $150,000 at Central Michigan and Cincinnati came along and offered you $750,000, you "would never coach at Cincinnati"? Bullcrap.

But if I did, I wouldn't leave it for Notre Dame. I have never liked Notre Dame. I am not Catholic, nor do I care to have to abide by all of their tightfitting rules.

Well that's your decision. If you didn't think you were capable of creating a competitive football team within the framework of selecting true student athletes, then so be it.

What is there in South Bend, besides cold? Nothing. No thank you.

What is there in South Bend, Indiana? Only the single most high profile university in the sport you happen to be a head coach of in our hypothetical example.

For me it has never been about the money or even the notoriety. So give me a job at some middle of the road school and let me build that school up, become a successful program.....stay there for a bit, then move on to a similar situation....a new middle of the road school needing a boost in their football program.

If all you aspire to is mediocrity and "middle of the road schools", then so be it. Meanwhile, out in the real world, most coaches aspire to far greater things than taking Marshall University to the Little Ceasar's Pizza Bowl.

Now I would certainly agree that the head coach of Texas or Florida or Oklahoma or USC would likely stay where they are instead of going to Notre Dame. But every single head coach in the country would drop Cincinnati in a heartbeat for Notre Dame.

One thing I hate about Notre Dame right now is the unhealthy expectations they have for their football program. They really have nothing to offer the 5 and 4 star athletes, other than a top level education. Most of these players dont care.

Bullcrap. What Notre Dame can offer top level recruits is more national exposure than they will get anywhere else in the country. Which is exactly what a top level recruit who wants to play professionally wants.

 

[Biggems]

I BASK in your hatred of Notre Dame. Just like I do with those that hate the Cowboys. Interesting how both teams right now are about in the same area-Cowboys somewhat ahead but with their own not very respected coach. ND has the edge since they got a new dynamic coach. And its a lot easier and quicker to improve a roster in college then it is in the pros.

Oh and if all top recruits want sun and girls in bikini's all the time why does Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State still recruit so well?

those 3 have hotties....i didnt say bikinis....i said girls. tOSU, Michigan, and PSU have tons of hotties.

Now if we are talking private school tail.....Give me TCU, SMU, Stanford, and UIW tail anyday over ND tail.

 

[Rogah]

those 3 have hotties....i didnt say bikinis....i said girls. tOSU, Michigan, and PSU have tons of hotties.

Now if we are talking private school tail.....Give me TCU, SMU, Stanford, and UIW tail anyday over ND tail.

Look, it's obvious you're either:

A) Just not taking this hypothetical situation seriously
B) Not being honest with us (or yourself) here, or
C) Too young to understand what the real world is like and what it is like to have real world responsibilities and a family to support and bills to pay, etc, etc.

By the way, when did you take a campus trip to Notre Dame that makes you so qualified to evaluate the caliber of "tail" attending school there?

 

[Biggems]

Look, it's obvious you're either:

A) Just not taking this hypothetical situation seriously
B) Not being honest with us (or yourself) here, or
C) Too young to understand what the real world is like and what it is like to have real world responsibilities and a family to support and bills to pay, etc, etc.

By the way, when did you take a campus trip to Notre Dame that makes you so qualified to evaluate the caliber of "tail" attending school there?

A) not taking what hypothetical seriously? The dude really went to Notre Dame....and I said I wouldn't.

B) I was being honest. I would not go to Notre Dame to coach. I am sorry if that puts a huge dent in your sense of understanding, but I just wouldn't. I really don't have to justify my reasoning to you or anyone else. I don't like Notre Dame. I don't care for Catholic universities on the whole. Therefore, I would not coach at a Catholic university.....money is not an issue with me, nor has it ever been. I have not once been driven by money in my lifetime.

C) I do not have a family. However, I am sure I could make a living and support a family off of any contract I receive from a D-1 school. I mean if my parents could make a living and raise myself and my siblings on their meager wages, I am sure I can survive on $500,000 - 1,000,000 a year. Also, I am going to assume that my wife would also have a job, since I am not the type to expect a stay at home wife.

So please tell me where I am lacking in real world knowledge or responsibility?

Oh, and I have never been to Notre Dame or anywhere near South Bend, Indiana.....however, I know enough to know that Texas, Florida, Arizona, Arizona St., UCLA, and USC have some of the hottest co-eds in the nation...

 

[Biggems]

This statement is just too stupid to address. So if you were making about $150,000 at Central Michigan and Cincinnati came along and offered you $750,000, you "would never coach at Cincinnati"? Bullcrap.
Well that's your decision. If you didn't think you were capable of creating a competitive football team within the framework of selecting true student athletes, then so be it.
What is there in South Bend, Indiana? Only the single most high profile university in the sport you happen to be a head coach of in our hypothetical example.
If all you aspire to is mediocrity and "middle of the road schools", then so be it. Meanwhile, out in the real world, most coaches aspire to far greater things than taking Marshall University to the Little Ceasar's Pizza Bowl.

Now I would certainly agree that the head coach of Texas or Florida or Oklahoma or USC would likely stay where they are instead of going to Notre Dame. But every single head coach in the country would drop Cincinnati in a heartbeat for Notre Dame.
Bullcrap. What Notre Dame can offer top level recruits is more national exposure than they will get anywhere else in the country. Which is exactly what a top level recruit who wants to play professionally wants.

I strongly disagree. I cant name 5 players from Notre Dame (Clausen, Tate, and Young are the only 3 I can name). Yet, I can name several from Florida, Oklahoma, Ohio St., Alabama, LSU, and of course, Texas. I haven't paid attention to USC much this year, but normally I can name 10-15 players from their roster.

If Notre Dame was so great at offering top level exposure, why is it that their talent base has fallen off drastically over the last decade plus? Why are those top recruits so few and far between?

IMO, Notre Dame can really remedy their football program with 2 simple adjustments.......and lowering academic standards is not one of them (this is actually the one thing I like about ND, the fact that they keep their academic standards so high).

First, join a conference.....either the Big 11 or the Big East....they are in the Big East in every other sport, so just join in football as well.

Second, and this definitely goes with the first one, change the schedule. I know they have a tradition of playing the same schedule every year. If they joined the Big 11, they could continue to play Michigan, Purdue, and MSU....while scheduling USC, Syracuse, Navy, and BC for their non-conference. If in the Big East, they can keep Michigan, USC, BC, and Navy for their non-conference schedule.

Michigan
USC
Boston College
Navy
WVU
Cincinnati
South Florida
Rutgers
Louisville
Syracuse
UConn
Pittsburgh

This is a nice schedule...plus if they are one of the top 2 teams, they play in the Big East title game. They still keep 4 of their most prominant rivalries (with USC and Michigan being absolutely concrete on the schedule).

 

[Rogah]

A) not taking what hypothetical seriously? The dude really went to Notre Dame....and I said I wouldn't.

What you said was "first of all, I would never coach Cincinnati." Like I said above, if you're the type of guy who would be content at Central Michigan, then more power to ya. But let me tell you something: There are about 120 NCAA Division 1 FBS coaches who want to coach the top school at the highest level.

It's a moot point. I don't see anyone offering you any head coaching jobs. So I hope you enjoy whatever lower level management position you aspire to since you clearly have no drive to excel in your career.

Oh, and I have never been to Notre Dame or anywhere near South Bend, Indiana.....however, I know enough to know that Texas, Florida, Arizona, Arizona St., UCLA, and USC have some of the hottest co-eds in the nation...

Just as I thought. You're making a judgement on the girls at that school without even having seen them yourself.

Thank you for proving to me you are neither taking this hypothetical seriously nor operating in the real world.

 

[PullMyFinger]

i wish him nothing but failure

Yep me too. Now if he coached the Cincy kids in the bowl game I may feel a little different.

 

[Rogah]

I strongly disagree. I cant name 5 players from Notre Dame (Clausen, Tate, and Young are the only 3 I can name). Yet, I can name several from Florida, Oklahoma, Ohio St., Alabama, LSU, and of course, Texas. I haven't paid attention to USC much this year, but normally I can name 10-15 players from their roster.

Well your ignorance of college football is not my fault.

If Notre Dame was so great at offering top level exposure, why is it that their talent base has fallen off drastically over the last decade plus? Why are those top recruits so few and far between?

Because all their coaches sucked. Charlie Weis never recruited once in his life before going to ND. Willingham has shown he was a one hit wonder at Stanford before sucking at ND and Washington. And Bob Davie was just a joke.

First, join a conference.....either the Big 11 or the Big East....they are in the Big East in every other sport, so just join in football as well.

That's easy for you to say when it isn't your money on the line. Joining a conference would just be flushing money down the toilet for absolutely no reason at all. Notre Dame has no trouble filling their schedule - about half of their schedule includes annual rivalries that don't seem to be ending anytime soon (Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Navy, USC). They also have an agreement to play a couple Big East teams each year. So it ain't like they are having trouble filling their schedule.

Second, and this definitely goes with the first one, change the schedule. I know they have a tradition of playing the same schedule every year. If they joined the Big 11, they could continue to play Michigan, Purdue, and MSU....while scheduling USC, Syracuse, Navy, and BC for their non-conference. If in the Big East, they can keep Michigan, USC, BC, and Navy for their non-conference schedule.

Well, the BC rivalry got put on hold indefinitely since BC joined the ACC but that's another matter. But like I said above, there is just no reason to join a conference. They gain absolutely nothing and they lose millions of dollars.

You have your opinion as a hater regarding what they should do. But implemented your suggestions would cost them millions of dollars per year and give them absolutely nothing in return that they don't already have.

 

[PullMyFinger]

Personally, I think a strong Notre Dame football team would be very healthy for college football overall. I just don't understand the haters. They are the Dallas Cowboys of the college ranks. If you love college football, you should want ND to be at least respectable.

Theres one reason I hate them, their mystique. They are extremely OVERRATED. I remember one year when East Carolina (when they were independent) was 10-2 and ND was 7-5 and ND went to a better bowl just because of who they were, to me thats bunk.

But its not all ND's fault, I know it has a lot to do with money and the way college football is, but it's still crappy none the less.

I also dont think ND will ever be prominent again, their academic standards are one of the highest in the nation (that is NDs fault). Kids would prefer to go to another college, where academic standards arent so high.

 

[Rogah]

Theres one reason I hate them, their mystique. They are extremely OVERRATED. I remember one year when East Carolina (when they were independent) was 10-2 and ND was 7-5 and ND went to a better bowl just because of who they were, to me thats bunk.

But its not all ND's fault, I know it has a lot to do with money and the way college football is, but it's still crappy none the less.

Well, that's just a problem with the system. There are certain teams that just draw more fans than other teams. They are the Dallas Cowboys of the NCAA.

I also dont think ND will ever be prominent again, their academic standards are one of the highest in the nation (that is NDs fault). Kids would prefer to go to another college, where academic standards arent so high.

I don't think any school will ever achieve the level of dominance like (for example) FSU who was in the top-5 for something like 12 years in a row. Even USC who has arguably been the best team overall over the past decade had a rebuilding year this year. I think in this day and age, what we will see is teams have a championship caliber season or two, then step off for a year or two. I see no reason why Notre Dame, with the right coaching in place, couldn't reach that level. Their only problem was their coaching has been putrid since Lou Holtz left.

2 of their last 3 coaches had never been head coaches in their lives (at any level) prior to taking the Notre Dame job. And Ty Willingham was a mediocre 44-36 at Stanford, riding the strength of one good season all the way to South Bend - and don't forget Willingham wasn't even their first choice. They hired, and subsequently fired, Coach O'Leary for all of 2 days prior to his scandal.

Now they finally smartened up, hiring a coach who actually has head coaching experience with a proven record of success at 3 schools.

 

[PullMyFinger]

Well, that's just a problem with the system. There are certain teams that just draw more fans than other teams. They are the Dallas Cowboys of the NCAA.
I don't think any school will ever achieve the level of dominance like (for example) FSU who was in the top-5 for something like 12 years in a row. Even USC who has arguably been the best team overall over the past decade had a rebuilding year this year. I think in this day and age, what we will see is teams have a championship caliber season or two, then step off for a year or two. I see no reason why Notre Dame, with the right coaching in place, couldn't reach that level. Their only problem was their coaching has been putrid since Lou Holtz left.

2 of their last 3 coaches had never been head coaches in their lives (at any level) prior to taking the Notre Dame job. And Ty Willingham was a mediocre 44-36 at Stanford, riding the strength of one good season all the way to South Bend - and don't forget Willingham wasn't even their first choice. They hired, and subsequently fired, Coach O'Leary for all of 2 days prior to his scandal.

Now they finally smartened up, hiring a coach who actually has head coaching experience with a proven record of success at 3 schools.

The coach doesnt matter if you dont have the players. Let me ask you something. I want you to seriously think about it, put your love for ND aside. If you were a blue chip HS QB and had ANY college to chose from in the nation, would you chose ND?

 

[Biggems]

What you said was "first of all, I would never coach Cincinnati." Like I said above, if you're the type of guy who would be content at Central Michigan, then more power to ya. But let me tell you something: There are about 120 NCAA Division 1 FBS coaches who want to coach the top school at the highest level.

It's a moot point. I don't see anyone offering you any head coaching jobs. So I hope you enjoy whatever lower level management position you aspire to since you clearly have no drive to excel in your career.
Just as I thought. You're making a judgement on the girls at that school without even having seen them yourself.

Thank you for proving to me you are neither taking this hypothetical seriously nor operating in the real world.

Why do you keep bringing up Central Michigan. I wouldnt coach there either. I wouldnt live in Michigan, the state economy is in the toilet. Talk about a suicide job. I am from Texas born and raised. I am not a coach, nor will I ever be one. But if I were to coach, it would be somewhere is Texas or in another southern state. Now I would consider somewhere in Oregon or Washington as well. Still, my heart is in Texas and so I would do my best to find jobs that kept me in my state. Also, if I were a football coach, I would prefer HS to college anyway. I just love the purity of HS football. I still go to the home games for my alma mater.....

Also, calling ND the be all end all of coaching jobs is highly opinionated. IMO, Texas is the be all end all of coaching jobs. To someone in SoCal, USC is the be all end all of coaching jobs. To someone from Alabama, Bama is the be all end all of coaching jobs....so on and so forth.

Yes ND has a storied and rich history, but it is just that, history. Honestly, they are an afterthought when it comes to being a national powerhouse. It is a program living off past fame and a name. Since Lou Holtz left, ND has been average at best. However, people fawn over the damn job like it is Steak and Lobster, when in reality, it is more like a burger and fries.

Once again.........I am not Catholic and I do not agree with Catholic beliefs or teachings, get it through your thick head. I refuse to work for a Catholic institution. Sheesh, it is like arguing with a brick wall.

Anyway, I am done with you Rogah.....you are nothing but a bullheaded, judegemental individual with complete tunnel vision....

 

[Biggems]

Well your ignorance of college football is not my fault.
Because all their coaches sucked. Charlie Weis never recruited once in his life before going to ND. Willingham has shown he was a one hit wonder at Stanford before sucking at ND and Washington. And Bob Davie was just a joke.
That's easy for you to say when it isn't your money on the line. Joining a conference would just be flushing money down the toilet for absolutely no reason at all. Notre Dame has no trouble filling their schedule - about half of their schedule includes annual rivalries that don't seem to be ending anytime soon (Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Navy, USC). They also have an agreement to play a couple Big East teams each year. So it ain't like they are having trouble filling their schedule.
Well, the BC rivalry got put on hold indefinitely since BC joined the ACC but that's another matter. But like I said above, there is just no reason to join a conference. They gain absolutely nothing and they lose millions of dollars.

You have your opinion as a hater regarding what they should do. But implemented your suggestions would cost them millions of dollars per year and give them absolutely nothing in return that they don't already have.

If I am a hater you are a blind homer.....good day

 

[Rogah]

The coach doesnt matter if you dont have the players.

You can't separate the two. The coach is the one who goes out and gets the players.

Let me ask you something. I want you to seriously think about it, put your love for ND aside. If you were a blue chip HS QB and had ANY college to chose from in the nation, would you chose ND?

I don't have any love for Notre Dame, I just don't have the hate that others here have. I can say the following with complete honesty...

If I was a top prospect at quarterback, I would probably stay away from Notre Dame because of the bad weather when compared to, say, Florida or Los Angeles. Although, truth be told, if I was a top QB prospect with my eyes on a pro career, I would probably pull a Tim Couch and go somewhere like Kentucky where I would be the undisputed starter from the moment I arrived until the moment I left and we were throwing the ball 50 times per game.

However, if I was someone who played in the trenches, then Notre Dame would be at or near the top of a very short list.

 

[Rogah]

Why do you keep bringing up Central Michigan.

Because that is where Brian Kelly was before he was at Cincinnati <facepalm>. And guess what? He did the same thing to CMU that he did to Cincinnati; he skipped out and went to his new school prior to the bowl season. Only it doesn't make national headlines when you do it to Central Michigan.

So when you said you would never coach at Cincinnati, I responded with the scenario that Kelly faced 3 years ago... I asked hypothetically would you like to stay at Central Michigan making about $150,000 per year or would you take the Cincinnati job and about 5 times as much money?

I wouldnt coach there either. I wouldnt live in Michigan, the state economy is in the toilet. Talk about a suicide job.

Yeah, well Kelly turned that "suicide job" into a stepping stone into one of the single most high profile coaching positions in college football.

I would like to take this moment to apologize to you. I entered this conversation thinking you were an intelligent individual who knew a lot about college football. I was wrong on both accounts. You're clearly just a completely clueless hater and don't know what you are talking about (yet feel the need to spout off anyway).

I am from Texas born and raised. I am not a coach, nor will I ever be one. But if I were to coach, it would be somewhere is Texas or in another southern state. Now I would consider somewhere in Oregon or Washington as well. Still, my heart is in Texas and so I would do my best to find jobs that kept me in my state. Also, if I were a football coach, I would prefer HS to college anyway. I just love the purity of HS football. I still go to the home games for my alma mater.....

Fair enough, but I should have been clear that my hypothetical situation presupposed that you are actually interested in coaching college football at its highest level. I thought that was obvious, but what's obvious to intelligent people sometimes isn't so obvious to the rest.

Also, calling ND the be all end all of coaching jobs is highly opinionated.

OK except I never said that so feel free to stop putting words in my mouth any time now. I don't believe there is any one single "be all and end all" coaching job, I would say there are about a dozen such schools. Yes Texas is one of them. As is Notre Dame. Cincinnati, however, is not.

IMO, Texas is the be all end all of coaching jobs. To someone in SoCal, USC is the be all end all of coaching jobs. To someone from Alabama, Bama is the be all end all of coaching jobs....so on and so forth.

If you actually read my posts, which I really don't think you did, you would have seen I included Texas and USC as schools where coaches would stay instead of moving on to Notre Dame. Alabama would certainly be another worthy addition to that list.

But when we talk about Brian Kelly, we're not talking about Texas, USC or Alabama, are we? We are talking about a guy who was the head coach at Cincinnati. And all I said is there isn't a single Division 1 coach in the country that would stay at Cincinnati if Notre Dame came a-callin'.

Yes ND has a storied and rich history, but it is just that, history. Honestly, they are an afterthought when it comes to being a national powerhouse. It is a program living off past fame and a name. Since Lou Holtz left, ND has been average at best. However, people fawn over the damn job like it is Steak and Lobster, when in reality, it is more like a burger and fries.

You could have said the exact same thing about Texas during the late 80's and most of the 90's.

You could have said the exact same thing about USC during the 90's prior to Caroll's arrival.

You could have said then exact same thing about Oklahoma for most of the 90's.

Then each of those programs got the right coach in place and now they are powerhouses.

Once again.........I am not Catholic and I do not agree with Catholic beliefs or teachings, get it through your thick head. I refuse to work for a Catholic institution. Sheesh, it is like arguing with a brick wall.

Anyway, I am done with you Rogah.....you are nothing but a bullheaded, judegemental individual with complete tunnel vision....

When since you're "done with me" let me take this moment to have the last word:

You have demonstrated in this thread that you really don't have the first clue about the recent history and tradition of college football (never mind Notre Dame). My advice to you is to stay out of threads when you just don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Biggems]

What you said was "first of all, I would never coach Cincinnati." Like I said above, if you're the type of guy who would be content at Central Michigan, then more power to ya. But let me tell you something: There are about 120 NCAA Division 1 FBS coaches who want to coach the top school at the highest level.

It's a moot point. I don't see anyone offering you any head coaching jobs. So I hope you enjoy whatever lower level management position you aspire to since you clearly have no drive to excel in your career.
Just as I thought. You're making a judgement on the girls at that school without even having seen them yourself.

Thank you for proving to me you are neither taking this hypothetical seriously nor operating in the real world.

THE TOP SCHOOL AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL....since you have been discussing ND this entire thread...this statement can be construed as you saying ND is the be all end all of college football. I did not put words in your mouth, nor did I twist them. Please pay attention to the words you type. Maybe next time, place an S at the end of school, so that way your completely blind homerism for the Golden Domers does not shine through.

As far as trying to make yourself seem like some supreme intellectual on an internet message board, more power to you. Forgive me for not following the life of Kelly. Quite frankly, I have not found him of any importance or significance to follow his life story. But since you are such an expert on all things Kelly, what is his favorite color....cause I am awfully curious.

Maybe you are just spiteful cause I have made it clear that I despise Notre Dame and you are butt hurt cause I refuse to accept them as anything more than a has been or used to be....and I base this on the last 15+ years or so. Nearly two decades of average is a pretty convincing argument for me.

BTW, I understand about being an independent and having all the money to themselves. I still say it would be easier to compete if they were in a Conference, especially the Big East. However, they will never join a conference, cause they want all the money for themselves. ND is like Jack Black in Shallow Hal. They see Gweneth Paltrow (the football program) as top tier, choice, and smokin.....when in reality it is just a big fat turd.

Oh I know all about Texas in the late 80s and early 90s. They were good, but not great. They underachieved some years, others they were just abused. I still remember Miami and UCLA putting a huge whoopin on em in the early 90s. Those two games have scarred my mind. The Miami game sticks out cause Russell Maryland made the UT OL his personal female dog. He was Suh before Suh was Suh. I became even more bitter when Maryland didnt play up to the level for Dallas that he did at Miami. He was solid, but nowhere near the beast he was at the U.

Now back to Kelly........this thread was started by someone hoping Kelly would fail at ND. It was never intended as a hypothetical about coaching and so forth. You brought your own agenda to the table and you are all upset cause I didn't play the game the way you wanted me to. You are upset cause I didn't get on my knees and praise ND the way a Muslim praises Allah. Sorry, but it won't happen.

I respect the overall history of ND. But just cause I can respect their past, it doesnt mean I have to like them or even root for them. But to be honest, the only time I am ever a ND fan is when they play USC.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Greg Schiano turned down Miami and Michigan to stay at Rutgers....

And Cincy is better than Rutgers.

I just wouldnt do what Kelly did, I would hate myself.

Id also never think of people to sue just to get rich. Some people are different though

 

[PullMyFinger]

THE TOP SCHOOL AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL....since you have been discussing ND this entire thread...this statement can be construed as you saying ND is the be all end all of college football. I did not put words in your mouth, nor did I twist them. Please pay attention to the words you type. Maybe next time, place an S at the end of school, so that way your completely blind homerism for the Golden Domers does not shine through.

As far as trying to make yourself seem like some supreme intellectual on an internet message board, more power to you. Forgive me for not following the life of Kelly. Quite frankly, I have not found him of any importance or significance to follow his life story. But since you are such an expert on all things Kelly, what is his favorite color....cause I am awfully curious.

Maybe you are just spiteful cause I have made it clear that I despise Notre Dame and you are butt hurt cause I refuse to accept them as anything more than a has been or used to be....and I base this on the last 15+ years or so. Nearly two decades of average is a pretty convincing argument for me.

BTW, I understand about being an independent and having all the money to themselves. I still say it would be easier to compete if they were in a Conference, especially the Big East. However, they will never join a conference, cause they want all the money for themselves. ND is like Jack Black in Shallow Hal. They see Gweneth Paltrow (the football program) as top tier, choice, and smokin.....when in reality it is just a big fat turd.

Oh I know all about Texas in the late 80s and early 90s. They were good, but not great. They underachieved some years, others they were just abused. I still remember Miami and UCLA putting a huge whoopin on em in the early 90s. Those two games have scarred my mind. The Miami game sticks out cause Russell Maryland made the UT OL his personal female dog. He was Suh before Suh was Suh. I became even more bitter when Maryland didnt play up to the level for Dallas that he did at Miami. He was solid, but nowhere near the beast he was at the U.

Now back to Kelly........this thread was started by someone hoping Kelly would fail at ND. It was never intended as a hypothetical about coaching and so forth. You brought your own agenda to the table and you are all upset cause I didn't play the game the way you wanted me to. You are upset cause I didn't get on my knees and praise ND the way a Muslim praises Allah. Sorry, but it won't happen.

I respect the overall history of ND. But just cause I can respect their past, it doesnt mean I have to like them or even root for them. But to be honest, the only time I am ever a ND fan is when they play USC.

ND is like Jack Black in Shallow Hal. They see Gweneth Paltrow (the football program) as top tier, choice, and smokin.....when in reality it is just a big fat turd.

LOL.....