Claiborne, Mathieu or Peterson?

Dodger12

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his play improved but he was far from being the top CB in the NFL...add in the fact that he had ZERO TD's last year. Some people have anointed him the new Neon Deion and that is far from the truth. Right now it is all hype and distorted reality. He is not the shutdown CB that some of you think he is

Good thing you used a 2011 article from Pro Football Focus because if you'd used their 2012 write-up, PFC would have had Peterson as a top 5 CB.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/25/snapshot-nfl-passer-rating-allowed-cornerbacks/

Second-Year Standouts

The cornerback class of the 2011 draft may go down as one of the best in history, and has had some players explode onto this scene this year. Patrick Peterson, Prince Amukamara,Chris Culliver, and Richard Sherman have all been top-flight cover corners this season and all are in the Top 10 in NFL Rating Allowed. Combined, they have allowed one touchdown and intercepted eight passes. What they have done is nothing short of amazing, especially considering that Sherman was the only one to have a positive coverage grade last season. This has the chance to be a class that, much like the receivers of 1996, the quarterbacks of 2004, and the tight ends of 2010, people talk about for a while.
 

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Uh, yeah it does. I backed up my opinion with facts and an assesment. You just keep repeating an opinion without any basis. It's really not that difficult to see why one has more validity/credibility than the other.

Forums are about discussions, sharing and ultimately learning-- ya know... keeping an open mind? Not for criticizing other posters. But if you're going to go around bagging on other people's opinions and insulting them, at least bring something of substance to the table in retort. Otherwise you just come off as foolish, and you're better than that.

But if you want more validity? Here goes...

While Haden is the superior athlete who shows flashes of elite, shutdown potential, he just isn't as savvy of a player. He has ideal traits for a corner, but either doesn't trust his skills or trusts his skills too much and often ends up over committing, or overplays routes and surrenders enough field to where no amount of athleticism would allow him to recover. And he often wastes motions which negate his quickness and sometimes even completely lose sight of his receiver. This is where Flowers is truly elite. He just has superior balance and intellect that allow him to adjust more rapidly on the fly. He rarely loses his receiver or the QBs gaze because he keeps the field in front of him. He snaps his head around at the right times, and if he's in a bad position he uses his balance to whip his body back into position without wasted motions.

Most importantly, he's just more consistent with his coverage because he does things the right way. The guy moves like an elite corner on a large majority of his snaps, whereas with Haden does not-- at least not yet.

Overall Flowers has more success on a per snap percentage, and takes his man completely out of the equation more often than Haden resulting in better stats across the board that are relative to the success of a CB. This was against a lot of the same competition since the browns and chiefs had such similar schedules last year. And Flowers did better against every single common receiver that they played against. Every. Single. One.

And yes, I could elaborate and further articulate why I feel that Flowers is better.
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First of all you started out quoting me first, and came at me in a way I didn't like. Like you were all mighty. So no I didn't start out criticizing you, had you came at me without being a smart ***, and stated why you feel flowers is better without the extra. I would have took you more serious, and would have shown more respect as you have shown me.

Anyways your explanation, sounds good. Flowers is a great corner. Some of the things you are saying about Haden i have seen him get beat before like all corners, but most of what I have seen is great coverage. Not saying what you are saying is not valid, I'm sure some of it is.

We can watch them both this year , and watch them both closely.
 
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