Claim: Joe Paterno was told of Sandusky abuse as early as 1976

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Your initial claim was that the victims sole reason for these accusations was to get money. This lawsuit was not brought by the victims.

that is next I am sure, but it is about $$$, and my point about the Paterno family having to deny still holds, if they admit, they could be screwing PSU over and ultimately costing themselves money.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Muddy it up all want.

You know what's what re: this crap.

Actually I don't as I was not there. Sandusky is a perv and the NCAA and the public needed a pound of flesh so they took wins away from an old man for no reason other than they could, dragging his name through the mud even though he did report the allegations (which is all they were at the time) to PSU police. Then after he died a broken man, the wins were reinstated.

The Paterno family has gone through a lot. People like to make them out like the bad guy when JoPa committed no crime.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Actually I don't as I was not there. Sandusky is a perv and the NCAA and the public needed a pound of flesh so they took wins away from an old man for no reason other than they could, dragging his name through the mud even though he did report the allegations (which is all they were at the time) to PSU police. Then after he died a broken man, the wins were reinstated.

The Paterno family has gone through a lot. People like to make them out like the bad guy when JoPa committed no crime.

The wins were clearly meant to punish Paterno and the Penn St. boosters who created such an environment where something like this could happen, but never made any sense from a NCAA rules stand point, however, he most certainly should have been fired for a lack of character.

and lol about the Paterno family having been through so much, the victim's have been through INFINITELY more...and yes Paterno did the bear minimum from a legal perspective, I can tell you, he failed on a moral level. Reporting the 1996 incident, then moving on with your life, and seeing him on campus from time to time is morally indefensible.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Actually I don't as I was not there. Sandusky is a perv and the NCAA and the public needed a pound of flesh so they took wins away from an old man for no reason other than they could, dragging his name through the mud even though he did report the allegations (which is all they were at the time) to PSU police. Then after he died a broken man, the wins were reinstated.

The Paterno family has gone through a lot. People like to make them out like the bad guy when JoPa committed no crime.

Did he allow Sandusky to stay with program after he found out about this crap?

Was this chart made up for fun?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

The wins were clearly meant to punish Paterno and the Penn St. boosters who created such an environment where something like this could happen, but never made any sense from a NCAA rules stand point, however, he most certainly should have been fired for a lack of character.

and lol about the Paterno family having been through so much, the victim's have been through INFINITELY more...and yes Paterno did the bear minimum from a legal perspective, I can tell you, he failed on a moral level. Reporting the 1996 incident, then moving on with your life, and seeing him on campus from time to time is morally indefensible.

What was he supposed to do, shoot his friend? Castrate him? He reported to his boss as he had to do. It was not up to him to ensure the police did their job. If I report an alleged crime, not up to me to ensure that the proper investigation occurs. What you are implying is that JoPa ran the entire school, not just the football dept. Yeah he could fire anyone in his dept but to say he should have taken more steps than reporting a friend to his superior is pushing it. If I report something and then nothing happens to the person, I probably figure oh well, not enough evid to proceed. The investigation occurred, what more was he supposed to do when he had heard of the allegation from a 3rd party, not even from one of the victims?

He did all he had to legally and I am not sure anyone should expect more from someone. Just because the head of the police commission said he had a "moral" obligation to do something does not make it right. Law cannot be run on morality because that varies from person to person.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

What was he supposed to do, shoot his friend? Castrate him? He reported to his boss as he had to do.

While it's purely speculative on my part that it was squashed at Joe Pa's request, let's give him the benefit of the doubt in this situation and assume he did not do that. What I would expect him to do is, threaten to go to the press, report it to the state police, call the FBI, get John Walsh from America's Most Wanted involved. What I don't expect him to do is continue on as though nothing happened.

It was not up to him to ensure the police did their job. If I report an alleged crime, not up to me to ensure that the proper investigation occurs. What you are implying is that JoPa ran the entire school, not just the football dept. Yeah he could fire anyone in his dept but to say he should have taken more steps than reporting a friend to his superior is pushing it. If I report something and then nothing happens to the person, I probably figure oh well, not enough evid to proceed. The investigation occurred, what more was he supposed to do when he had heard of the allegation from a 3rd party, not even from one of the victims?

He did all he had to legally and I am not sure anyone should expect more from someone. Just because the head of the police commission said he had a "moral" obligation to do something does not make it right. Law cannot be run on morality because that varies from person to person.

I've already said legally he did the bare minimum to keep from being sued, so there is no point in arguing the legal points with me, considering I never tried to make that argument. Morally he failed, too many instances to believe Joe did not have at least some idea of what kind of monster Sandusky was. Maybe not to that extent, but he knew and simply viewed his legacy as more important than the lives of young boys.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

What was he supposed to do, shoot his friend? Castrate him? He reported to his boss as he had to do. It was not up to him to ensure the police did their job. If I report an alleged crime, not up to me to ensure that the proper investigation occurs. What you are implying is that JoPa ran the entire school, not just the football dept. Yeah he could fire anyone in his dept but to say he should have taken more steps than reporting a friend to his superior is pushing it. If I report something and then nothing happens to the person, I probably figure oh well, not enough evid to proceed. The investigation occurred, what more was he supposed to do when he had heard of the allegation from a 3rd party, not even from one of the victims?

He did all he had to legally and I am not sure anyone should expect more from someone. Just because the head of the police commission said he had a "moral" obligation to do something does not make it right. Law cannot be run on morality because that varies from person to person.

Yikes.

I truly hope that you don't have children.

And if you do I really hope that they don't ever have something like this happen to them, that someone finds out about and takes the bare minimum effort to make sure it doesn't happen again.

The old "eh, not my problem" out look on life. That's a big part of why this world is such a pool of filth and garbage is lazy people taking a lazy approach to everything.

Disgusting. I can't look at your garbage any longer.

 

[Stryker44]

While it's purely speculative on my part that it was squashed at Joe Pa's request, let's give him the benefit of the doubt in this situation and assume he did not do that. What I would expect him to do is, threaten to go to the press, report it to the state police, call the FBI, get John Walsh from America's Most Wanted involved. What I don't expect him to do is continue on as though nothing happened.



I've already said legally he did the bare minimum to keep from being sued, so there is no point in arguing the legal points with me, considering I never tried to make that argument. Morally he failed, too many instances to believe Joe did not have at least some idea of what kind of monster Sandusky was. Maybe not to that extent, but he knew and simply viewed his legacy as more important than the lives of young boys.

The PROGRAM is before all else.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The PROGRAM is before all else.

ok, I was wondering if you really believed the things you posted, but clearly you are just trolling. over played your hand on this one

either that or you are literally a piece of **** on par with Sandusky himself. either way **** off

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yikes.

I truly hope that you don't have children.

And if you do I really hope that they don't ever have something like this happen to them, that someone finds out about and takes the bare minimum effort to make sure it doesn't happen again.

The old "eh, not my problem" out look on life. That's a big part of why this world is such a pool of filth and garbage is lazy people taking a lazy approach to everything.

Disgusting. I can't look at your garbage any longer.

I won't be able to sleep tonight knowing that you won't be looking at my garbage.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And if you do I really hope that they don't ever have something like this happen to them, that someone finds out about and takes the bare minimum effort to make sure it doesn't happen again.

If these reports are true, Paterno didn't even do the bare minimum and it would make me think that Paterno going to Curley and Schultz was something he knew he needed to do so he could help cover it up instead of 'doing the bare minimum.'

And even if somebody takes the stance that Paterno did do the 'legal bare minimum', it's really a stretch since Schultz had no legal authority to arrest somebody. He was essentially an accountant that oversaw many departments from an accounting perspective which included law enforcement. Schultz didn't even hire law enforcement officers. And unless somebody was misappropriating funds, he didn't have the authority to fire a law enforcement officer.

My guess is that Paterno knew of Schultz as a big-wig on campus since he was the school's VP and Schultz knew of prior accusations in the 90's against Sandusky. Then Paterno's legal team came up with the defense that by telling Schultz that Paterno had gone to 'law enforcement'...a way of finding a 'technicality' in their defense. And the blind lemmings ate it up.





YR

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If these reports are true, Paterno didn't even do the bare minimum

YR

You could start and stop your argument there.

There is ...no way, no amount of money, nothing of greater importance than protecting a child in that situation.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I guess the documents were unsealed:

http://espn.go.com/college-football...es-joe-paterno-knew-jerry-sandusky-abuse-1976

 

[Nightman]

Paterno is an icon and its a shame they try to smear his legacy.

Everyone talks about Paterno's legacy but everyone associated with the program, that he was 100% in control of, made the wrong decision every time they had a chance to do something....If he was molding men and leaders at least one of them would have stood up....even McQuerry let that monster Sandusky walk out of the showers with that boy and only went home and told his daddy....

Paterno was just a football coach, he was nothing greater than that and probably a lot worse

 

[Idgit]

This story is just so gross. It makes me so angry just thinking about it.

I can't believe his family has the audacity to continue to talk about JoPa's legacy in a positive context at all if these reports that are coming to light were known about in advance.

 

[Bill Wooten]

Everyone talks about Paterno's legacy but everyone associated with the program, that he was 100% in control of, made the wrong decision every time they had a chance to do something....If he was molding men and leaders at least one of them would have stood up....even McQuerry let that monster Sandusky walk out of the showers with that boy and only went home and told his daddy....

Paterno was just a football coach, he was nothing greater than that and probably a lot worse

I think I agree where you're coming from, but he was more than just a football coach. He was portrayed as a model of how to do it the right way. Back in the day, had he knocked on my door and wanted my son to come play for him, there would be no decision. My son is going to Penn State. Paterno was an icon.

I now have no doubt that he not only knew what was going on, he enabled it. As Idgit said, it is just gross. I don't know how you stand by and watch that all in the name of winning football games. The more I read about it, the sicker it gets. It doesn't happen if Paterno wasn't a "god" in Happy Valley and ruled over all because he won football games.

 

[Nightman]

I think I agree where you're coming from, but he was more than just a football coach. He was portrayed as a model of how to do it the right way. Back in the day, had he knocked on my door and wanted my son to come play for him, there would be no decision. My son is going to Penn State. Paterno was an icon.

I now have no doubt that he not only knew what was going on, he enabled it. As Idgit said, it is just gross. I don't know how you stand by and watch that all in the name of winning football games. The more I read about it, the sicker it gets. It doesn't happen if Paterno wasn't a "god" in Happy Valley and ruled over all because he won football games.

That was my point....he failed as a model for doing it the right way.....everyone he was in charge of did nothing when they had a chance....so if he failed at molding leaders than all he ever was, was just a football coach......not an icon, not a role model, not a leader of men.....

 

[cowboyeric8]

Tons of men through the years simply looked the other way and didn't take any extra steps to stop the disturbing things happening. Just absolutely shameful.

 

[Joe Realist]

I said at the time that Tom Bradley HAD to know and SEE things. They worked together for decades and he is getting off scott free.

 

[JoeyBoy718]