Clarification on Wade's "Get your ring finger ready" comment...

[BigDFan5]

So Wade never made the statement? He was merely echoing a fan in the crowd? The only conclusion I can reach is that he has no confidence in this team.

:laugh2:

 

[dcfanatic]

No not really.


No one is going to be able to speak and not have "something" turned into sensational material.

I get your point but the more the reporters do these things to people the more and more vanilla the answers will get.... overly PC and boring and uninformative.

It sucks, but it's reality and it's the world we live in.

This is why I loved Parcells pressers. He controlled the media and rarely gave them something to misconstrue unless he wanted it to be misconstrued.

I aslo understand that Wade's not that guy. He's a laid back guy. That's not a bad thing, but it makes these reporters see him as a push over and a guy who will never give them **** back no matter what they report.

It's all a big game.

 

[dcfanatic]

From what I caught of it he didnt mention anything about playing up the crowd just made it seem like wade was boasting and being serious about it

Of course not. That's not 'news'.

He did say that Wade said it 'tongue in cheek' and was playing to the crowd.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So will Wade say anything like this again?

You are mad at Engel as if he didn't say that Wade was playing to the audience.

We know his wife was and probably Galloway in time will use this against Wade.

These are the reasons I say that Wade should know better.

He basically didn't say it. "Playing to the audience" in no way indicates that he was just placating an idiot in the crowd. Instead it sounds like he knew he had a bunch of Cowboys fans in the audience and he volunteered it to get a reaction from the crowd.

And you keep mentioning press conferences... This wasn't a presser. This was a coaching clinic. At what point do you not report everything that is said? There has to be a line drawn somewhere. If one of these guys overhears Wade telling Stewart after practice "We're gonna kick the crap outta those stupid Eagles this year", do you report that and blow it up into a story?

And on Parcells... Were you outraged like this when Parcells made the comment about "Jap plays"? And that was in a press conference in front of all the media microphones.

 

[cowboys2233]

And on Parcells... Were you outraged like this when Parcells made the comment about "Jap plays"? And that was in a press conference in front of all the media microphones.

Not sure I see the similarity. One puts our team in the line of fire every week, the other is simply a personal comment made by an old-school coach.

The "Jap plays" comment doesn't get opposing teams fired up, unless we're playing Scott Fujita and the Saints. :LOL

Who cares? We're going to be in the line of fire every week anyways, might as well have some fun with it. My hostilities are more because of WP's easy-as-cake TCs. I sincerely hope we don't start to see the effects of that this year. It's one thing for players to talk about his easy-going style not having an effect on mental and physical toughness. Unfortunately, their less-than-inspired play in the playoffs last year suggests otherwise.

I recognize that talent is the most significant factor, but let's face it, no one was loafing on Jimmy Johnson's watch.

 

[dcfanatic]

He basically didn't say it. "Playing to the audience" in no way indicates that he was just placating an idiot in the crowd. Instead it sounds like he knew he had a bunch of Cowboys fans in the audience and he volunteered it to get a reaction from the crowd.

And you keep mentioning press conferences... This wasn't a presser. This was a coaching clinic. At what point do you not report everything that is said? There has to be a line drawn somewhere. If one of these guys overhears Wade telling Stewart after practice "We're gonna kick the crap outta those stupid Eagles this year", do you report that and blow it up into a story?

And on Parcells... Were you outraged like this when Parcells made the comment about "Jap plays"? And that was in a press conference in front of all the media microphones.

He 'basically' didn't say it? LOL.

What does it matter if it was a Dallas Cowboys presser or a coaches clinic? Wade is the coach 24/7.

The Eagles thing, yeah they are going to report that. They are going to print it just like when a player says it and the next thing you know it's printed in the opposing locker room the week before the game.

Line drawn? Jerry just invited HBO to record everything, and I mean everything, that's going to be said at TC.

If you still think there's some imaginary line you are living in the past. If at some point in history the media had any line they jumped over it at least 15-20 years ago when the internet began.

 

[DragonCowboy]

So at the press conference before the Browns game the same guy can go the presser and start yelling out 'The Browns suck' until Wade says it and that would be the best resolution?

I would much rather have read that Wade gave the guy a stern look and the guy hushed up. IMO, that's a much better way of handling it.

Big difference.

One guy is a coach in his community who paid the money to attend a seminar held by Dallas Cowboys coaches in the Cowboys' attempt to reach out to the DFW community.

One guy is a reporter who is paid to do his job.

 

[dcfanatic]

Big difference.

One guy is a coach in his community who paid the money to attend a seminar held by Dallas Cowboys coaches in the Cowboys' attempt to reach out to the DFW community.

One guy is a reporter who is paid to do his job.

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter who gets Wade to say something, it's the fact that he says it.

That guy was saying it in hopes Wade would play along. He wants to hear Wade say it. The next day he isn't coming under fire for his part in this event.

The next day he is coaching back at his job feeling good about the Cowboys.

While the next day Wade is answering the media's silly questions about why he made comment. So then Wade has to say 'Well, I was just joshing to a member of the crowd'.

Wade is under a huge microscope here, that fan isn't. Therefore Wade has to watch what he says while we as fans can say whatever we want whether we are in front of Wade or not.

 

[DragonCowboy]

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter who gets Wade to say something, it's the fact that he says it.

That guy was saying it in hopes Wade would play along. He wants to hear Wade say it. The next day he isn't coming under fire for his part in this event.

The next day he is coaching back at his job feeling good about the Cowboys.

While the next day Wade is answering the media's silly questions about why he made comment. So then Wade has to say 'Well, I was just joshing to a member of the crowd'.

Wade is under a huge microscope here, that fan isn't. Therefore Wade has to watch what he says while we as fans can say whatever we want whether we are in front of Wade or not.

Again, what effect does the media hating Wade have to do with the performance of this team?

I think the '90s Cowboys is a testament to the fact that fans care more about team success than what the media thinks about said team.

Does Skip Bayless calling Aikman gay cause any of us to love our team any less?

 

[dcfanatic]

Again, what effect does the media hating Wade have to do with the performance of this team?

I think the '90s Cowboys is a testament to the fact that fans care more about team success than what the media thinks about said team.

Does Skip Bayless calling Aikman gay cause any of us to love our team any less?

Again? As if you stated this already, which you didn't.

You are moving around here and the discussion is losing focus.

When did we start talking about whether this has an effect on the teams success. We are talking about whether Wade should know better to make comments like this or not.

It's July, of course these comments have no place right now. But if the team flops then in December someone is going to bring up the 'time right before training camp when Wade said to get the ring finger ready'.

And the haters are going to hate. Wade can't be giving the haters any more material than they already have.

 

[DragonCowboy]

I really don't think Wade cares what the media thinks. It's stupid to keep going, "oh my, is the media gonna report this?" He has a job and I don't think pleasing the media is in the job description.

Again? As if you stated this already, which you didn't.

You are moving around here and the discussion is losing focus.

When did we start talking about whether this has an effect on the teams success. We are talking about whether Wade should know better to make comments like this or not.

It's July, of course these comments have no place right now. But if the team flops then in December someone is going to bring up the 'time right before training camp when Wade said to get the ring finger ready'.

And the haters are going to hate. Wade can't be giving the haters any more material than they already have.

Ties into the fact that Wade really shouldn't care what the media says because it generally has NO effect on how our team will perform.

We always say that the Cowboys have a target on their back. Is there really such thing as having a bigger target? Everyone is already gunning for us, this comment makes no difference.

All I'm saying is that there're gonna be haters no matter what. Nothing Wade says can change the fact that they're haters. So why should we care about giving them ammo? What're they gonna do?

It's a given that Wade is aiming for the Super Bowl. Whether or not he said "get your ring finger ready," fans will be disappointed without a sixth Super Bowl win.

I think it's pointless to bellyache over this. Whether or not Wade says this, we have a tough road ahead of us. Whether or not Wade says this, our goals are the same.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Not sure I see the similarity. One puts our team in the line of fire every week, the other is simply a personal comment made by an old-school coach.

The point was DC's suggestion that the coach of the Dallas Cowboys should know better than to make certain remarks. That's the similarity. And Parcells made a horribly non-PC and offensive comment in front of a bunch of media tape recorders, not a comment agreeing with some semi-heckler.

Unless you think what Wade said was worse than what Parcells did?

And I didn't get what "putting us in the line of fire every week" means.

He 'basically' didn't say it? LOL.

What does it matter if it was a Dallas Cowboys presser or a coaches clinic? Wade is the coach 24/7.

Okay, take out the "basically". He didn't say it. He said it as if Wade were making some statement of bravado, not mimicking a heckler.

And if you're going to follow a coach around with an open mike 24/7 and record everything he says, you're going to be able to find fault with the comments of every coach who ever lived. Even Parcells. Right?

 

[superpunk]

Even if Wade wasn't just shutting up the hecklers, and was guaranteeing a super bowl championship, what does it matter? Would it really be the worst thing in the world if our head coach was confident that his team could go all the way?

Maybe the Engel's feel that Wade is stepping on their turf. Only THEY are allowed to be prognosticating know-it-alls.

 

[dcfanatic]

The point was DC's suggestion that the coach of the Dallas Cowboys should know better than to make certain remarks. That's the similarity. And Parcells made a horribly non-PC and offensive comment in front of a bunch of media tape recorders, not a comment agreeing with some semi-heckler.

Unless you think what Wade said was worse than what Parcells did?

And I didn't get what "putting us in the line of fire every week" means.


Okay, take out the "basically". He didn't say it. He said it as if Wade were making some statement of bravado, not mimicking a heckler.

And if you're going to follow a coach around with an open mike 24/7 and record everything he says, you're going to be able to find fault with the comments of every coach who ever lived. Even Parcells. Right?

When he says in the next sentence that Wade was playing to the crowd so how is he saying Wade said it with Bravado?

If he wanted to try and turn it into a huge thing he could have just used the statement out of context and made the article all about Wade making a prediction that the Cowboys are Super Bowl bound. He didn't even approach that subject.

You are making Engel into a much bigger villian than he really is in this article.

As for Parcells? He knows the mic is on 24/7. He knew the mic was on that day he made the 'Jap' comment. The man grew up in that era and in his world, whether it's wrong or right, he didn't even understand that the term was offensive until people pointed it out to him.

Your assessment that Wade made that statement agreeing with some heckler says it all. Why the hell would Wade Phillips, the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, go along with a heckler at an event with local media by saying a comment that he should know may get him some silly attention.

Shouldn't we expect a little more knowledge of the 'media game' from a guy who has been in the NFL circle for 30 something years now?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

As for Parcells? He knows the mic is on 24/7. He knew the mic was on that day he made the 'Jap' comment. The man grew up in that era and in his world, whether it's wrong or right, he didn't even understand that the term was offensive until people pointed it out to him.

Your assessment that Wade made that statement agreeing with some heckler says it all. Why the hell would Wade Phillips, the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, go along with a heckler at an event with local media by saying a comment that he should know may get him some silly attention.

Shouldn't we expect a little more knowledge of the 'media game' from a guy who has been in the NFL circle for 30 something years now?

LOL. Double standard much?

 

[dcfanatic]

LOL. Double standard much?

Where is that a double standard?

Parcells wasn't in a secret meeting and made the comment. As I stated he didn't understand it was wrong to say. We all know it was wrong to say. This is really a completely different topic anyways because it doesn't relate to football.

Wade knew what he was saying. He was goaded into saying it.

There would be a double standard if I was implying that Parcells was allowed to say the same comment as Wade. But we both know Parcells wouldn't make that comment. Nor would about 90% of the other NFL head coaches.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

As I stated he didn't understand it was wrong to say. We all know it was wrong to say. This is really a completely different topic anyways because it doesn't relate to football.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Where is that a double standard?

What's the double standard?

Two old coaches. Both have "been in the NFL circle for 30 something years now" and should be expected to have "a little more knowledge of the media game".

But one gets a pass ("He just didn't understand the term was offensive") while the other should have known better and even has his coaching credentials called into question ("Is Wade in over his head as an NFL head coach?").

 

[Boysboy]

Wow-with the very little drama the Cowboys have gotten this offseason(of course-with TO, the addition of Pacman, Romo's Jessica, etc were SUPPOSED to create that, but didn't)...maybe we needed a spice of it on this board for a change.

 

[dcfanatic]

What's the double standard?

Two old coaches. Both have "been in the NFL circle for 30 something years now" and should be expected to have "a little more knowledge of the media game".

But one gets a pass ("He just didn't understand the term was offensive") while the other should have known better and even has his coaching credentials called into question ("Is Wade in over his head as an NFL head coach?").

You lost me. These two events are not in any way similar.

Parcells did not understand the comments were offensive. This is the reason he said it in an open forum.

Wade's comment was of course not offensive. It may have been unwise, but the problem lies in the fact that he should known better to give the media any ammo for the future.

If you want to say the double standard is that both are dumb then yeah I guess so, lol.