Cleveland '08 draft pick??

[COfWaBnOY]

As of now that pick is number 22. So, say Tennessee, Washington and Minnesota win this week and Cleveland loses. Would it go to number 19 or number 20? Also, if Cleveland wins this week it would be number 20 no matter what else happened, correct?

So we could have the number 19/20 and 32 picks in this years draft.

 

[theogt]

If Tennessee wins, it's #19, which ain't too bad.

 

[COfWaBnOY]

What if Washington and/or Minnesota lose? It would be #20, correct? I mean 19 or 20 isn't a BIG deal. I was just trying to see where the pick might end up.

 

[Beast_from_East]

What if Washington and/or Minnesota lose? It would be #20, correct? I mean 19 or 20 isn't a BIG deal. I was just trying to see where the pick might end up.

If Tenn wins and Browns dont make playoffs, the pick will be no lower than #19 regardless of other games.

This is because 12 teams make playoffs. There are only 31 picks in the first round this year since the Pats lost theirs.

31-12 = 19 (the last pick before the playoff teams draft)

 

[big dog cowboy]

Either way it isn't going to be where we all thought it would be.

 

[starfrombirth]

If Tenn wins and Browns dont make playoffs, the pick will be no lower than #19 regardless of other games.

This is because 12 teams make playoffs. There are only 31 picks in the first round this year since the Pats lost theirs.

31-12 = 19 (the last pick before the playoff teams draft)

Actually we discussed this last year and Adam cleared it up for us all. It doesnt matter if you make the playoffs or not EXCEPT for the 2 Superbowl teams. The draft order is based on your record during the regular season.

 

[vicjagger]

If Tenn wins and Browns dont make playoffs, the pick will be no lower than #19 regardless of other games.

This is because 12 teams make playoffs. There are only 31 picks in the first round this year since the Pats lost theirs.

31-12 = 19 (the last pick before the playoff teams draft)

A Browns team that may finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs, will still draft AFTER all 9-7 teams including those that are in the NFC playoffs. It's possible that the NFC will have two 9-7 playoff teams.

 

[tvooz]

If Tenn wins and Browns dont make playoffs, the pick will be no lower than #19 regardless of other games.

This is because 12 teams make playoffs. There are only 31 picks in the first round this year since the Pats lost theirs.

31-12 = 19 (the last pick before the playoff teams draft)

the beast is incorrect.

superbowl winner has the #32 selection
superbowl loser has #31 selection

then

won lost percentage
opponents won lost percentage
non playoff teams select before playoff teams

for example, lets say the titans and browns both win. they are both 10-6 but the browns do not make the playoffs. a playoff team from the nfc will be 9-7 at best.

so, the browns' selection comes before all 10-6 teams but at least one nfc playoff team will draft before them.

here's a possible scenario:

#24 - pitt ( 10-6* )
#23 - tenn ( 10-6*)
#22 - clev ( 10-6 )
#21 - tampa ( 9-7* )
#20 - wash ( 8-8* )

* - indicates playoff team

 

[starfrombirth]

Hope this helps:

NFL Draft Basics
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Determining Order of Selection

• The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft.

• The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest.

• The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage.

• The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last.

• Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.

• Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.

• As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.

• If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule.


This means that the playoffs do not matter except in determining the place for 2 teams with the same record, for example

team a is 10-6 and make the playoffs, team b is 12-4 and doesn't make the playoffs because they are in a division with team c who is 12-4 and makes the playoffs because of divisional tie breakers, the draft order would be:
team a
team b
team c

even tho team a made the playoffs and team b didn't.

Again.. l hope this helps.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

So we're looking at somewhere between 19 and 22, most likely about 20 or 21, right?

BTW, I remember counciling caution in here on draft day last year when people were penciling and penning in that pick as a top 5. I said I refused to count my pix before they were hatched. I was criticized for being a killjoy.

On edit: here's my thread on this topic after the trade:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86612&highlight=Cleveland+draft

 

[cowboyz]

So we're looking at somewhere between 19 and 22, most likely about 20 or 21, right?

BTW, I remember counciling caution in here on draft day last year when people were penciling and penning in that pick as a top 5. I said I refused to count my pix before they were hatched. I was criticized for being a killjoy.

On edit: here's my thread on this topic after the trade:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86612&highlight=Cleveland+draft

you're still a killjoy

 

[fanfromvirginia]

you're still a killjoy

Guilty as charged.

 

[vicjagger]

There are 6 teams whose performance today could affect the Brown's final pick location: Wsh, Min, Ten, Sea, TB and of course Cle.

The lowest possible pick is #19. This would require a loss by Cle, and wins by Ten, Wsh, Min, and TB. In this scenario Cleveland would pick first out of three 9-7 teams: Cle, Min, Wsh would pick 19, 20, 21.

I believe the highest possible pick is #24. This would require a win by Cle, and losses by TB, Ten & Sea. In this scenario, Cleveland would pick second out of three 10-6 teams: Sea, Cle, NYG would pick 23, 24, 25.

This assumes that none of these teams appear in the Super Bowl. I'm also using projected Stength of Schedules and those won't be finalized until after today.

 

[burmafrd]

No one thought the Browns would win 9 games. And they would not have had not Anderson come from NOWHERE to have such a great season. Without Anderson they are 5-11, 6-10.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

No one thought the Browns would win 9 games. And they would not have had not Anderson come from NOWHERE to have such a great season. Without Anderson they are 5-11, 6-10.

No one could have predicted the exact circumstances of Cleveland's improvement but that's not the point. What I and others did was correctly argue that Cleveland very well might improve significantly for any number of reasons. As I put it at the time, those reasons could include: 'a relatively easy schedule, the return of injured players, this infusion of new talent, sheer luck.'

See: http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1476158#post1476158

 

[locked&loaded]

the beast is incorrect.

superbowl winner has the #32 selection
superbowl loser has #31 selection

then

won lost percentage
opponents won lost percentage
non playoff teams select before playoff teams

for example, lets say the titans and browns both win. they are both 10-6 but the browns do not make the playoffs. a playoff team from the nfc will be 9-7 at best.

so, the browns' selection comes before all 10-6 teams but at least one nfc playoff team will draft before them.

here's a possible scenario:

#24 - pitt ( 10-6* )
#23 - tenn ( 10-6*)
#22 - clev ( 10-6 )
#21 - tampa ( 9-7* )
#20 - wash ( 8-8* )

* - indicates playoff team

so if a 9-7 team went to nfl championship, they lose.They woudl pick before a 10-6 team who didnt make hte playoffs?

 

[theogt]

so if a 9-7 team went to nfl championship, they lose.They woudl pick before a 10-6 team who didnt make hte playoffs?

The NFL Championship is the Super Bowl, and the Super Bowl loser picks #31. So, no, they wouldn't pick before a 10-6 team that didn't make the playoffs.

 

[locked&loaded]

The NFL Championship is the Super Bowl, and the Super Bowl loser picks #31. So, no, they wouldn't pick before a 10-6 team that didn't make the playoffs.

whoops, i mean nfC championship.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

whoops, i mean nfC championship.

And you're correct -- a 9-7 loser of the NFC championship would pick before a 10-6 team that didn't make the playoffs.

 

[Echo9]

Keep in mind that there are only 31 picks in the NFL draft this year. The NE pick does not exist.

If NE wins the SB, the loser still picks 31, but there's no 32nd pick in the draft. The next pick is Miami's (top of the 2nd).

If NE gets knocked out, the SB winner picks at 31.