Clinton Portis ripping skins on radio

[skinsngibbs4life]

Question for you...a legit question and not a flame.

I have heard many times that one of Clintons problems with the skins offense is that he is a person that is better off running without having to wait for blocks to develop. I am not talking about just straight man blocking but developing blocks that can take a little time. In other words he is not known as a patient runner to let those things develop.

That does not make him a bad back, really anyone that says he is not good is just being a hater. They may question his durability but no one should question that he is a good runner.

The question I have, is betts better in the scheme for this team. Not talking about him taking over full time but just is he a better type of runner...more patient and therefore taking more advantage.

NOT saying betts is a better rb than portis...I have always liked betts even in college but he does not have the same athletic abilities of portis.

But sometimes RBs just match better with an offensive philosophy. I think maybe betts just is better in that one area of being patient.

But I did not watch enough games to really notice that....so is that a legit take.

I think you have the two players completly reversed.

Personally, I always thought portis was a very patient runner. I very rarely see him hit the line at full speed. He would rather see his blocks develop, hit the hole, and then hit the speed.

Betts on the other hand, is completly different. He ALWAYS hits the hole at full speed. Betts never seems to really want to let a play develop.

With that said however, the type of plays that are called for the two runners were completly different as well. Betts usually see's all up the gut runs. Every once in awhile, we will bounce it outside with him, but most of the time, he gets it up the middle. While portis was in though, saunders only called molstly outside runs. This was something that Portis talked about in the interview. He see's himself as more of a downhill runner. He didn't understand why we would pull our lineman, when only one of our lineman are actually good at it.

I think he is a little frustrated that betts is getting the type of play calls that he envisions he should be getting

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think you have the two players completly reversed.

Personally, I always thought portis was a very patient runner. I very rarely see him hit the line at full speed. He would rather see his blocks develop, hit the hole, and then hit the speed.

Betts on the other hand, is completly different. He ALWAYS hits the hole at full speed. Betts never seems to really want to let a play develop.

With that said however, the type of plays that are called for the two runners were completly different as well. Betts usually see's all up the gut runs. Every once in awhile, we will bounce it outside with him, but most of the time, he gets it up the middle. While portis was in though, saunders only called molstly outside runs. This was something that Portis talked about in the interview. He see's himself as more of a downhill runner. He didn't understand why we would pull our lineman, when only one of our lineman are actually good at it.

I think he is a little frustrated that betts is getting the type of play calls that he envisions he should be getting

Maybe I have...I just thought I remember reading some articles or hearing someone talk about how Portis did not like the counter trey plays because they took too long to develop.

One other thing that he may want to consider.

I think when they decided to use campbell they may have switched their philosophy concerning the run game. Wanted to use it more to help out a young QB. So they decided to use things differently to help betts as well.

I really don't know, as I said I have not watched much skins football this year other than the cowboys games.

 

[steve09ru]

Now, where have I heard this before? Ohhh that's right, Lavar "Commander for life" Arrington.

Notice the similarities between Lavar's and CP's opinions, being injured and the coaching staff holding them out even when they stated they were capable of playing. There is a lot more truth to CP's statements than what many skins want to believe. In the past 3 years you have had Lavar, A. Pierce, CP, Archuletta, and L. Coles taking shots at the organization. The Bengals are the only other team I can think of that players were so openly critical of the management and coaching. There are some major issues in DC and it starts with the owner. He is singlehandedly ruining that organization much to my satisfaction.

If Dallas had Snyder running the show...this would be the same...he is pathetic. But as far as Portis goes...he said how people would complain to him about coaching/players and he got tired of it and brought it up (so i've heard....never got to see the interview)...which needed to be done. He's got the leadership...and this is no big calling out people deal. He was just simply stating on how people have talked...well i take back the calling out people deal because he did pretty much call out lloyd, snyder, and saunders. But either way, this had to be done and hopefully they will recognize it

 

[steve09ru]

the main thing that bothers me is that he had a hell of a year last year-came into this year as 1 of the most touted players in the country and completely laid an egg....

He was injured...had a hurt shoulder and still played, as he said on an interview. he also said that he didn't play to full potential he had because he didnt' want to hurt it more...say he's a pansy or what not but his number still weren't bad for what he played. and the shoulder injury didn't even end his season, it was the broken hand against the 1st meeting with philly. so how can he flop when he played injured the whole season?

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

Question for you...a legit question and not a flame.

I have heard many times that one of Clintons problems with the skins offense is that he is a person that is better off running without having to wait for blocks to develop. I am not talking about just straight man blocking but developing blocks that can take a little time. In other words he is not known as a patient runner to let those things develop.

That was the knock on him when he first came to Washington, and I agreed with it. He would run into his blockers, he would do sweeps and run right by his blockers and end up getting tackled by two defenders before the lead blocker could even engage. In 2005, I saw a big difference. He used his blockers alot more, and it resulted in the best season of his career, IMO.

Last season, I saw plenty of carries where he would literally place an arm on the back Sellers or Dockery and make his move once they engaged a defender. Those type of plays resulted in 15+ yards instead of just 3-5 yards.

That does not make him a bad back, really anyone that says he is not good is just being a hater. They may question his durability but no one should question that he is a good runner.

I agree.

The question I have, is betts better in the scheme for this team. Not talking about him taking over full time but just is he a better type of runner...more patient and therefore taking more advantage.

I don't see any difference in patience between Betts and Portis. Take Rams and Giants games for instance, on Betts' biggest runs he's exploding through HUGE holes and not even being touched until he's close to a first down. You don't need much patience to do that. I've seen very little plays where Betts is being creative, cutting back to the weak side of the defense, or slowing down once he takes the to see if a hole opens.

Don't get me wrong, he's doing exactly what the team expects of him. Hit the holes hard and fast. But if you look at his stats in the first half of the season compared to the second half, there is a glaring difference. He averaged 3.2 ypc in the first two games where Portis was severly limited aganist Minnesota, and the second game aganist your team, where he started and Portis didn't play at all. He's sole 100 yard game came aganist the Texans. The drastic change in his numbers came when Campbell became starter, and the style of running plays changed.

NOT saying betts is a better rb than portis...I have always liked betts even in college but he does not have the same athletic abilities of portis.

I agree as well. Portis is a much more elusive runner.

But sometimes RBs just match better with an offensive philosophy. I think maybe betts just is better in that one area of being patient.

But I did not watch enough games to really notice that....so is that a legit take.

Possibly. I'd say it is. I'm no coach, so maybe he's shown patience in his running that I haven't seen. But IMO, I see him as a North-South runner who can really kill a defense if the blocking is there. If it's not, he hasn't shown to be a creative or elusive enough to be productive in the midst of poor run blocking.