Clock Management Again!

[Picksix]

You guys act like the proper, accepted way of thinking in that situation was to just let them score. I hate that mentality. What about challenging your defense to step up and make a stop? I understand that our late game defense was garbage last night, as it has been all season.

I understand you want to save as much time as you can for your offense in that situation, and I believe - like everyone else - that NY scoring was inevitable. But I'm not the HC. So my question is this: As a head coach, at what point do you give up on your defense and just let the other team score? To me that seems like a very slippery slope, and sends a very dangerous message to your team. You're telling your defense you have no faith in them. After last week, when we started wondering if Jason would be accountable to the team or risk losing their trust, I would think it would be a very hard call to make.

 

[TheDude]

You guys act like the proper, accepted way of thinking in that situation was to just let them score. I hate that mentality. What about challenging your defense to step up and make a stop? I understand that our late game defense was garbage last night, as it has been all season.

I understand you want to save as much time as you can for your offense in that situation, and I believe - like everyone else - that NY scoring was inevitable. But I'm not the HC. So my question is this: As a head coach, at what point do you give up on your defense and just let the other team score? To me that seems like a very slippery slope, and sends a very dangerous message to your team. You're telling your defense you have no faith in them. After last week, when we started wondering if Jason would be accountable to the team or risk losing their trust, I would think it would be a very hard call to make.

Again, it is a tough call, but logic almost dictates you want to put the ball in the hot hand. The D was shredded the second half, but Tony was shredding their D.

At worst (as we saw) you need to get to FG range which happenened. At best you score a TD with a TO and more time.

If you watch the game, there was no way Jacobs wouldn;t score from the 1 on 2-3 tries.

 

[sonnyboy]

You guys act like the proper, accepted way of thinking in that situation was to just let them score. I hate that mentality. What about challenging your defense to step up and make a stop? I understand that our late game defense was garbage last night, as it has been all season.

I understand you want to save as much time as you can for your offense in that situation, and I believe - like everyone else - that NY scoring was inevitable. But I'm not the HC. So my question is this: As a head coach, at what point do you give up on your defense and just let the other team score? To me that seems like a very slippery slope, and sends a very dangerous message to your team. You're telling your defense you have no faith in them. After last week, when we started wondering if Jason would be accountable to the team or risk losing their trust, I would think it would be a very hard call to make.

I don't agree with it and that wasn't the purpose of the tread.

I will make one consession to the idea and that's that I may have considered playing an all out run defense on 2nd down.

I'm talking all eleven guys within a yard of the LOS and end of the Tackle Box.

Make it close to impossible for them to score running it and force them to execute a forward pass to some almost completely uncovered Receiver in the end zone.

Or hope there's no audible option and Manning is forced to execute a called running play that losses a yard or two.

 

[Trajan]

You guys act like the proper, accepted way of thinking in that situation was to just let them score. I hate that mentality. What about challenging your defense to step up and make a stop? I understand that our late game defense was garbage last night, as it has been all season.

I understand you want to save as much time as you can for your offense in that situation, and I believe - like everyone else - that NY scoring was inevitable. But I'm not the HC. So my question is this: As a head coach, at what point do you give up on your defense and just let the other team score? To me that seems like a very slippery slope, and sends a very dangerous message to your team. You're telling your defense you have no faith in them. After last week, when we started wondering if Jason would be accountable to the team or risk losing their trust, I would think it would be a very hard call to make.

I'm going with Romo to score again over this defense to stop them. After the way the defense played they deserve the call. +500 yards given up !!!

 

[jimmy40]

Again, it is a tough call, but logic almost dictates you want to put the ball in the hot hand. The D was shredded the second half, but Tony was shredding their D.

At worst (as we saw) you need to get to FG range which happenened. At best you score a TD with a TO and more time.

If you watch the game, there was no way Jacobs wouldn;t score from the 1 on 2-3 tries.

I think they had to give Kevin Gilbride a chance to screw things up.

 

[TheCount]

I have no doubt that what you say could have or even did play a roll in this. But do me a favor and count to 15 right now.

As you're doing this consider how long it takes to get the attention of a ref as a HC and call a TO.

As soon as the play is dead, Garrett should be looking for an official. Even if he wants to give it another second or two to see if the Giants are calling one, we should have had at least 10 more secs on the clock.

I can't count that high. :laugh2:

 

[yimyammer]

You guys act like the proper, accepted way of thinking in that situation was to just let them score. I hate that mentality. What about challenging your defense to step up and make a stop? I understand that our late game defense was garbage last night, as it has been all season.

Already tried that with a twelve point lead and 6 minutes to go and here the Giants are on the one inch line, ready to take the lead. They've already been challenged and failed and if I were coach, I would have no reason to believe a stop would occur here, the offense is moving the ball well, so I'd opt for letting them try to win or tie the game.

Hell, they couldn't even stop the 2 point conversion either.

I hate the mentality that says we have to let them score as well, but with the way the defense was playing, I don't believe trusting them any further is a credible option to win the game.

 

[Picksix]

I don't agree with it and that wasn't the purpose of the tread.

I will make one consession to the idea and that's that I may have considered playing an all out run defense on 2nd down.

I'm talking all eleven guys within a yard of the LOS and end of the Tackle Box.

Make it close to impossible for them to score running it and force them to execute a forward pass to some almost completely uncovered Receiver in the end zone.

Or hope there's no audible option and Manning is forced to execute a called running play that losses a yard or two.

I understand what you're original point was, and it's a valid question. If you're going to call a TO, why wait the 15 or seconds to do it?

I was more responding to the following posts, where it seemed everyone was just willing to concede the score. I understand it was all but inevitable. My point was, it has to be a hard call to make as a head coach, because of the ramifications of completely bailing on your defense. Not that they defense gave him any reason to have faith in them, but that's still not an easy call.

As for your point, I imagine Garrett was waiting to see if the Giants would use one of their TO's. But I also feel Garrett needs to have a better feel for when and how to use the TO's he has.

 

[Fletch]

Yes but one of Garrett's weaknesses is game management.

I just hope we aren't the only people who realise it.


You could lip read from Jerry's own mouth "Call a timeout Jason".

Which he did like two seconds after.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Surprised Jerry didnt get on his batphone and call the timeout in himself :laugh2:

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

I understand what you're original point was, and it's a valid question. If you're going to call a TO, why wait the 15 or seconds to do it?

I was more responding to the following posts, where it seemed everyone was just willing to concede the score. I understand it was all but inevitable. My point was, it has to be a hard call to make as a head coach, because of the ramifications of completely bailing on your defense. Not that they defense gave him any reason to have faith in them, but that's still not an easy call.

As for your point, I imagine Garrett was waiting to see if the Giants would use one of their TO's. But I also feel Garrett needs to have a better feel for when and how to use the TO's he has.

Its never ideal to let someone score, but there comes a point of desperation, when you have to ask yourself, who do you trust more, your offense, or your defense. I honestly think if had like 1:10 and a timeout, we punch it in endzone.

 

[Picksix]

Already tried that with a twelve point lead and 6 minutes to go and here the Giants are on the one inch line, ready to take the lead. They've already been challenged and failed and if I were coach, I would have no reason to believe a stop would occur here, the offense is moving the ball well, so I'd opt for letting them try to win or tie the game.

Hell, they couldn't even stop the 2 point conversion either.

I hate the mentality that says we have to let them score as well, but with the way the defense was playing, I don't believe trusting them any further is a credible option to win the game.

Sure, I get all that. Hard not to. And I'm not saying he shouldn't have called a TO there. I was thinking the same thing myself. But after having a day to "process" (dirty one right now, I know) it, having never been a head coach myself, how difficult it must be to come to that.

 

[yimyammer]

Sure, I get all that. Hard not to. And I'm not saying he shouldn't have called a TO there. I was thinking the same thing myself. But after having a day to "process" (dirty one right now, I know) it, having never been a head coach myself, how difficult it must be to come to that.

If he had done it, he would have caught hell for it, unless of course it worked

 

[CATCH17]

Which he did like two seconds after.

Wrong.

 

[links18]

Sure, I get all that. Hard not to. And I'm not saying he shouldn't have called a TO there. I was thinking the same thing myself. But after having a day to "process" (dirty one right now, I know) it, having never been a head coach myself, how difficult it must be to come to that.

Difficult or not, it was the right thing to do. That is what coaches get paid for, to make the difficult goals and get them right. How much does Garrett get paid again?

 

[Juke99]

If someone can post the clip but start it earlier, the woman sitting off to the leftis the first one in the box to yell "Time out. Call a time out"

She even claps her hands in disgust.

So Jason isn't just being outcoached by Jerry and Stephen.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

If someone can post the clip but start it earlier, the woman sitting off to the leftis the first one in the box to yell "Time out. Call a time out"

She even claps her hands in disgust.

So Jason isn't just being outcoached by Jerry and Stephen.

Yep... I recorded it, but don't know how to cut it out and gif it.

 

[sbark]

He didn't have an offseason to work with his player's and it's a process.

....but hey, he spent 2 weeks at a "basketball camp"...they use timeouts differently in that game.......

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Wow...what a family picture. The Jones Boys at their finest.

I love how the TV cameras always know exactly when to cut to Jerry. It's like clockwork.

Jerry's frustration with the whiz kid seems to be growing by the week.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Wow...what a family picture. The Jones Boys at their finest.

I love how the TV cameras always know exactly when to cut to Jerry. It's like clockwork.

Jerry's frustration with the whiz kid seems to be growing by the week.

So far the Garrett era is EPIC FAIL!!!!


Watching Garrett get outcoached from the freaking owner's skybox is just priceless, you cant make this crap up if you tried.