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Rack;1921744 said:
The XBOX controller has the same amount of buttons as the PS2/3 controllers, and the buttons are actually BIGGER, not smaller.

Yeah, I see they redesigned it to appear more like PS2/3. The old one had 6 buttons on it's right panel but I think the handle is still too large. I like the original PS2/3 better
 

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Rack;1921744 said:
The XBOX controller has the same amount of buttons as the PS2/3 controllers, and the buttons are actually BIGGER, not smaller.

Hey Rack...nice job on the Charger...looks nice.
 

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ConcordCowboy;1922141 said:
Hey Rack...nice job on the Charger...looks nice.

That's not my charger (I wish). That's my inspiration for my charger.

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If not for the gas mileage and rear wheel drive in the snow,

The new Charger has some balls.
 

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ScipioCowboy;1920724 said:
I commend you on having a far more universal criteria than I. When I evaluate the quality of a horror movie, I examine its effectiveness as well as its contribution to its specific subgenre of horror.

I use the term subgenre in a very general way. Obviously, subgenres aren't absolute classifications. Different people may hold different ideas of what constitutes a subgenre, and a single horror move may have characteristics of multiple subgenres.

Some critics argue that all horror movies can be classified according to three subgenres: horror of the psychological, horror of the demonic, and horror of armageddon. These are apt and reasonable descriptions, and I do use them. But I tend to be more malleable in my classificaions, and I borrow from multiple sources.

In my opinion, there are many more horror subgenres: slasher (Halloween, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Madman Mars); cerebral (Alien, Hellraiser); technological (Scanners, Fear.com, the Ring); monster (Mothman Prophecies, the Haunting, Dracula); natural world (Jaws, Orca); psychological (Silence of the Lambs); splatter porn (Saw, any Rob Zombie movie); postmodern (Scream); etc.

Another subgenre of horror relies on a constant build up throughout the film that culminates in a final, potentially horrifying climax. One such movie is the Blair Witch Project. Another is Audition, which is a Japanese horror film that I highly recommend. These kinds of movies tend to be plodding, but I'll forgive the slow development if the final payoff warrants it.

I apologize for being wordy, but I'm trying to explain the basis of my reasoning on Blair Witch. ;)

In my opinion, Blair Witch has four extremely effective scenes:

1) Heather initially filming and recording the inexplicable noises in the forest.

2) The crosses hanging form the trees.

3) The invisible children striking the side of the tent.

4) The final scene with Mike standing in the corner.

These scenes build upon one another, creating a mounting tension throughout the film, and the first person, documentary-style cinematography allows the audience to internalize and personalize this tension.

Of course, I don't necessarily like movies simply because they're effective. Saw was an effective movie that I didn't like; I'm simply not a fan of the splatter porn subgenre.

Some horror movies aren't at all effective and can actually detract from their subgenre such as Friday the 13th and House of a 1000 Corpses.

And some horror movies are crowning jewels in their subgenre and excellent films. Two of my favorite horror films (and ones that, in my opinion, represent excellence in their area) are the original Halloween and Alien.



Good read, but...

...there was tension during Blair Witch..?
 

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mr.jameswoods;1920763 said:
I would have to respectfully AGREE! :) I hear ya DE! I love horror films and I have simple criteria also

1. The writing must move the film. I don't care about special effects or gimics. If the film is written poorly then I lose interest in 5 minutes. Cloverfield was horribly written as was Blair Witch. The story and dialogue comes first. If it has an excellent plot, everything else is icing on the cake

2. Directing- Keep it simple: Hitchcock was a master because he achieved the needed psychological response through simple and subtle camera work and directing. Cloverfield's shaking hand held camera defies Hitchcock's ideas because it's not subtle; you see the darn camera shake. You are aware of the camera shaking. In Hitchcock's films, the camera work is subtle and you don't notice the cuts or the zoom ins. The fact that people were getting nauseous with Cloverfield only confirms this idea.

3. No Comedy- A horror film shouldn't force jokes down your throat as an icebreaker.

4. It's got to be believable: Even if you introduce supernatural ideas, you can present them in a believable way. We are all going to suspend our disbelief a little but great films don't make you stretch to do so. The Exorcist made Linda Blair look and feel as if she was sincerely possessed. The first Halloween really convinces you that some dude put on a mask and is stalking people. Even the first Nightmare on Elm St. had a certain level of sincerity to it that made it believable.

5. Music- the music makes a great horror film: Halloween, Exorcist, A Nightmare on Elm St. all had great themes that enhanced the movie.
I wouldn't say that the writing for Cloverfield was horrible, but I wouldn't call it great either. The nausea thing escapes me. There weren't any sick people in the theater where I caught the movie--and I haven't heard of others whom I've spoken with mentioned becoming ill either.

You're right about humor and horror movies. The worst kind of writing is using a joke at the wrong time. Good jokes and comedic timing are essential. Case in point: Bill Paxton (I think) as Hudson in Aliens. Every joke was great and the delivery was perfect.

I can't believe you omitted the Jaws soundtrack. Best... horror... music... ever.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1920770 said:
Yes, but they only left it a mystery intially. You do realize that Hitchcock provided the identity of the killer in Psycho. You see Norman Osborn with the wig holding the knife. There is even a psychiatrist to explain the motivation behind Norman Bates. That's why Hitchcock was a genius. He teases you throughout the entire film but masterfully concludes it. Cloverfield provides no conclusion or answers of any sort.

I also prefer the answer remain hidden but at some point it should be revealed or have a way in which it can be revealed. Kubrick's 2001 Space Odyssey is one of my 5 favorite films of all time. Yes, it's abstract but all the answers are there.



My God. It's full of stars. :)
 

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I thought the best humor was the Guy in Aliens sequel who was always panicking and wanted to put the girl in charge because she had survived there for an extended period.

I think spontaneous humor would crop up if one was in that dire situation.

My biggest emotional reaction most of the movie was a *** are you not trying to get off manahatten? They were running back into the war zone.


And subtly an angle not talked much is a love story angle. At end of movie I felt a little ashamed for not wanting him to go and rescue his girlfriend all along. Instinct to flee
 

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I think the Shining and Halloween are on any top 10 list

I am not into this x rated blood saw stuff and refuse to watch it.

Jaws was up there too!
 

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Rack;1922393 said:
That's not my charger (I wish). That's my inspiration for my charger.

:(

:D...I was thinking man you really fixed that car up nice.

Oh well I'm sure yours will look like that someday. :D
 

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ConcordCowboy;1922664 said:
:D...I was thinking man you really fixed that car up nice.

Oh well I'm sure yours will look like that someday. :D

[cockiness]It'll look BETTER then that when I'm done with it [/cockiness]
 

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Nors;1922605 said:
I think the Shining and Halloween are on any top 10 list

I am not into this x rated blood saw stuff and refuse to watch it.

Jaws was up there too!

I had the same impression you did about the Saw movies until my friend forced me to watch Saw 3. I saw the original Saw and enjoyed it but when they kept making sequels, I refused to watch them because I felt they were just going for shock value. Movies like "The Hills Have Eyes", and "Hostel" don't intrigue me.

Saw 3 was brilliant. Yes, I got annoyed when they try to go for the gross-out torture sequences and I just ignored or fast forward through those scenes but the villain Jigsaw is brilliant. Saw 3 was very well written. You learn the victims are all connected to one another and you can't predict what will happen next which is a sign of great writing. There was a lot of suspense toward the end of the film.

I have Saw 4 right now and I've gotten through about 20 minutes of it. Thus far, it hasn't been as good as Saw 3
 

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DallasEast;1922587 said:
You're right about humor and horror movies. The worst kind of writing is using a joke at the wrong time. Good jokes and comedic timing are essential. Case in point: Bill Paxton (I think) as Hudson in Aliens. Every joke was great and the delivery was perfect.

I also think comedy works in Aliens because it's not a true horror film in the purest sense of the word. I see it as a Sci-Fi/Action Thriller/Horror Fusion much like Terminator so you can allow for those comedic moments and it works.
 

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Halloween, Dawn Of The Dead(original) and Texas Chainsaw Massacre...Best horror movies of all time.
 

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DemonBlood666;1923518 said:
Halloween, Dawn Of The Dead(original) and Texas Chainsaw Massacre...Best horror movies of all time.

I saw Rob Zombie's Halloween and I liked it. I think he got unnecessarily maligned. I like how Rob's version tried to explain his origin. It didn't offer any supernatural explanation for his desire to kill but rather old school psychological ones. Mike Myers started out killing or abusing animals which is indicative of Conduct Disorder with some multiple personality disorder thrown in. Kids with conduct disorder later go on to develop antisocial personality disorder.

My problem with Rob's version was the Halloween film remake portion was badly done. He acted and looked more like Jason Voorhees from the Friday the 13th films. He was too massive in size and killed like him. In the original Hallowee, he killed his victims using stealth and single stabs without a lot of gore and blood splatter.

The original Halloween scares me because I think most of us in this country can relate to the setting. Unless you grew up in an urban environment, you can relate. It's in the suburbs of some midwestern town which looks like any town USA.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1923557 said:
I saw Rob Zombie's Halloween and I liked it. I think he got unnecessarily maligned. I like how Rob's version tried to explain his origin. It didn't offer any supernatural explanation for his desire to kill but rather old school psychological ones. Mike Myers started out killing or abusing animals which is indicative of Conduct Disorder with some multiple personality disorder thrown in. Kids with conduct disorder later go on to develop antisocial personality disorder.

My problem with Rob's version was the Halloween film remake portion was badly done. He acted and looked more like Jason Voorhees from the Friday the 13th films. He was too massive in size and killed like him. In the original Hallowee, he killed his victims using stealth and single stabs without a lot of gore and blood splatter.

The original Halloween scares me because I think most of us in this country can relate to the setting. Unless you grew up in an urban environment, you can relate. It's in the suburbs of some midwestern town which looks like any town USA.

I really, really hated Zombie's Halloween. Which sucks because I'm a fan of his other movies. The real Halloween is one of my favorite movies of all time and I was hoping he would do the movie justice...I was wrong. I agree with you about the way he made the new Myers. I hate the 13th movies and he just turned Myers into Jason.

The movie shouldn't have been made. It almost tarnishes my feelings towards the Halloween franchise and that pisses me off.
 

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DemonBlood666;1923800 said:
The movie shouldn't have been made. It almost tarnishes my feelings towards the Halloween franchise and that pisses me off.

If Season of the Witch didn't tarnish your feelings, nothing will.
 

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Boom;1923852 said:
If Season of the Witch didn't tarnish your feelings, nothing will.
I like to pretend Halloween ended after part 2 :lmao2:

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DemonBlood666;1923879 said:
I like to pretend Halloween ended after part 2 :lmao2:

Halloween 2 was meant to end the franchise. It was made by John Carpenter. Then when it was taken over by new people, they tried to explain Myer's origin through some Irish "Thorn" curse in which a curse was placed on him by one of the psychiatrists working at the asylum that Myers was in during a child. The curse compels people to kill all members of their family. Yeah, it was lame which is why they started over and brought back Jamie Lee Curtis in H20
 

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Nors;1922604 said:
I thought the best humor was the Guy in Aliens sequel who was always panicking and wanted to put the girl in charge because she had survived there for an extended period.

I think spontaneous humor would crop up if one was in that dire situation.

My biggest emotional reaction most of the movie was a *** are you not trying to get off manahatten? They were running back into the war zone.


And subtly an angle not talked much is a love story angle. At end of movie I felt a little ashamed for not wanting him to go and rescue his girlfriend all along. Instinct to flee
Call me a homer, but Aliens has some of the best movie lines of all-time. Luv that movie. I had the biggest crush on the character Vasquez for years until I saw her without the makeup. Pissed me off when her character died in the movie.

I agree 100% about the main characters going INTO the war zone. Plus, I was freaking when they entered the tunnels. Still, I didn't feel ashamed that they were going to leave anyone behind. There was a choice. Head towards the Cloverfield monster or away from it. I would've taken the latter. Although it would've made for a much less entertaining movie. :D
 
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