CNNSI: Banks draft... looks good for Cowboys

[SDogo]

Watch these videos and then tell me why you think Jarrett should be a 4th Rounder. He's the second best WR in the draft in my book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy_f8tB5DwA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUU_A9ZTmyk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQqS5RLdBH8

 

[CowboyMike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQqS5RLdBH8

Dwayne Jarrett is not Mike Williams. He's leaner than Williams and much quicker in and out of breaks.

 

[SDogo]

Dwayne Jarrett is not Mike Williams. He's leaner than Williams and much quicker in and out of breaks.

Yet very much the same player who will struggle to get seperation vs NFL defensive backs.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Dwayne Jarrett is not Mike Williams. He's leaner than Williams and much quicker in and out of breaks.

You are right...

Mike Williams ran a 4.55 at his workout..

Jarrett blisterd a 4.67.

 

[austintodallas]

I don't. I get a bad feeling about Ted Ginn Jr. There's just something that's nagging me about him and I can't place it.

I'd rather have Meachem or Jarrett.

Sounds like a case of Skyleritis to me.

 

[ZeroClub]

I could be wrong, but I expect Ginn to be gone by #22.

When push comes to shove on draft day, Ginn's speed is going to be remarkably tempting to several teams.

 

[CowboyMike]

You are right...

Mike Williams ran a 4.55 at his workout..

Jarrett blisterd a 4.67.

There's a difference between straight line speed and football speed. Jarrett is very quick in and out of his routes.

I'd like to see what Keyshawn's 40 time looks like, I doubt you guys will say he's can't get separation. WRs like Jarrett and Keyshawn are physical, they use their bodies to get the ball in traffic.

 

[FLcowboy]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/04/10/mock.draft.part3/index.html

I like this draft for us!

Not me. Ginn is too fragile for the NFL. Just how much weight can he put on and still maintain his speed. 180 WRs are a thing of the past. I think the Cowboys need a replacement for TO/Glenn

 

[sago1]

I'd prefer Bowe. Not only does he have all the tools of a top WR but he consistently willing to go over the middle and is the best downfield blocker of all the WRs. I just don't like Garrett & not Steve Smith either.

 

[rysko]

if ginn can be comparable to what az hakim was on the rams ill be pleased

 

[masomenos]

There's a difference between straight line speed and football speed. Jarrett is very quick in and out of his routes.

I'd like to see what Keyshawn's 40 time looks like, I doubt you guys will say he's can't get separation. WRs like Jarrett and Keyshawn are physical, they use their bodies to get the ball in traffic.

Jarrett has worse "quickness" numbers than Mike Williams did too. Jarrett isn't "very quick" in and out of his routes and because of that he doesn't get good separation. Watch the youtube clips you linked, there's almost always a guy right there on him. It's much harder for a WR to succeed in the NFL by just shielding the CB with their body than it is in college. Another guy who is the same way is Sidney Rice. Great college players but the teams that end up picking them early will just be too enamored with their production in college and won't look at how that really translates to the NFL.

If you really want a big WR who's going to succeed in the NFL then go with Dwayne Bowe.

 

[Big Dakota]

Not me. Ginn is too fragile for the NFL. Just how much weight can he put on and still maintain his speed. 180 WRs are a thing of the past. I think the Cowboys need a replacement for TO/Glenn

Of the top 12 WRs in the NFL last year(yards) Marvin Harrison, Steve Smith and Isaac Bruce are all in the 180's and 2 more, Tory Holt, and Donald Driver are both 190. Those 5 WRs have 48,612 yards and 332 TDs.

Ginn is 180 and 22 years old. Give him a couple years in an NFL program along with maturity and he'll be 190. Putting on 5% of your body weight in muscle isn't hard.

 

[Ashwynn]

I don't. I get a bad feeling about Ted Ginn Jr. There's just something that's nagging me about him and I can't place it.

I'd rather have Meachem or Jarrett.

Right there with you on this. Something just does not feel right about Ginn.

 

[masomenos]

Of the top 12 WRs in the NFL last year(yards) Marvin Harrison, Steve Smith and Isaac Bruce are all in the 180's and 2 more, Tory Holt, and Donald Driver are both 190. Those 5 WRs have 48,612 yards and 332 TDs.

Ginn is 180 and 22 years old. Give him a couple years in an NFL program along with maturity and he'll be 190. Putting on 5% of your body weight in muscle isn't hard.

Yeah, I agree, it's not like Ginn is destined to weigh 180 for his entire career, he could easily get up to 185 or 190. Even if he can't contribute right away as a WR (which I think he probably can) he can still contribute on STs. I don't think Ginn will ever be the type of WR that guys like Smith, Harrison, Bruce, Driver or Holt are but I do think he'll be an above average player who can pull in 800-900 receiving yards and a fair amount of TDs per year. I wouldn't be upset with taking him at 22 at all.

 

[CowboyMike]

Jarrett has worse "quickness" numbers than Mike Williams did too. Jarrett isn't "very quick" in and out of his routes and because of that he doesn't get good separation. Watch the youtube clips you linked, there's almost always a guy right there on him. It's much harder for a WR to succeed in the NFL by just shielding the CB with their body than it is in college. Another guy who is the same way is Sidney Rice. Great college players but the teams that end up picking them early will just be too enamored with their production in college and won't look at how that really translates to the NFL.

If you really want a big WR who's going to succeed in the NFL then go with Dwayne Bowe.

Keyshawn always had a guy with him but he makes the catch 99% of the time. Explain that.

 

[starfrombirth]

People are a little concerned about his size but Marvin Harrison and Isaac Bruce are both 6'0" and 185ish and they've help up. If he comes in, works hard to get stronger and run better routes while he returns punts he should be OK in a year or so.

Both of those guys were considered strong route runners in college and consistantly seperated themselves from the best cornerbacks. Ginn is just straitline speed and there have been some very fast people in this league who have done nothing. Pete hunter come to mind (6'2" 220 lbs and a legit 4.3 speed) Yet for some reason he never panned out. Strait line speed isn't good enuff there has to be something else.

 

[starfrombirth]

You are right...

Mike Williams ran a 4.55 at his workout..

Jarrett blisterd a 4.67.

bwahahahahahaha!

 

[starfrombirth]

There's a difference between straight line speed and football speed. Jarrett is very quick in and out of his routes.

I'd like to see what Keyshawn's 40 time looks like, I doubt you guys will say he's can't get separation. WRs like Jarrett and Keyshawn are physical, they use their bodies to get the ball in traffic.

Now tell me that you would be ok spending your 1st rnd pick on Keyshawn Johnson... huh?

 

[COWBOYSNUM1]

I don't. I get a bad feeling about Ted Ginn Jr. There's just something that's nagging me about him and I can't place it.

I'd rather have Meachem or Jarrett.

I'm concerned about Ginn also, but I'd rather have Meachem or Bowe.

 

[masomenos]

Keyshawn always had a guy with him but he makes the catch 99% of the time. Explain that.

While I can't find the numbers, I would bet that Keyshawn has better agility times than Jarrett. Also, it's not exactly like Keyshawn has been an amazing WR (solid yes, amazing no) over the course of his career and he definitely wasn't worth the #1 overall pick. He's topped 1000 yards 4 times in 11 seasons and topped 6 TDs 4 times in 11 seasons. Good guy and I loved having him on the team but he's not a #1 WR. Even with that said Keyshawn is just a single example.

I can throw out the single example of Mike Williams and ask you to explain why he has something like 8 career receptions.

Find me other WRs who lack quickness in their breaks and who are succeeding in the NFL.