Coaching Change Report

[SWG9]

If Jones fires Garrett this season, I would love to see him be a Belichick type coach for another franchise. Wouldn't it be a kick in the b**** if it was with the eagles.

I would lay money that this is what would happen.

There's probably about 5-10 head coaches in the world who could be successful here given our messed up organizational structure and the fact that we essentially have a part time GM.

Garrett is far from perfect, but he is getting better...which is more than I can say for our GM.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcaldw

There are a few things I want to say about this. And I know that my comments will be interpreted by many as simply reflecting my "blind" support of Jason Garrett. I prefer to think it reflects a whole bunch of years of watching and supporting this team, and hopefully a little bit of football knowledge.

1. If this report is true it enrages me. And it has nothing to do with Garrett. It would have to do with an owner who doesn't have a clue. Wouldn't it be better, even if you are considering a change, to let the season get finished? The team has won 4 of 5, just had a huge emotional win and actually is making a bit of a run despite an overwhelming number of injuries. Show some respect.

[View Full Quote] 2. Regardless of whether or not this is true, I have felt that Jones is trying to put pressure on Garrett after some early season disappointments. Fair enough. Except what Jones doesn't seem to realize is that I don't think Garrett is the type of guy who cares about that. I think he works hard and gives it his best regardless. It is only having an effect in Jerry's world.

3. If this is not true, then this is the last thing we need at this time in the season and Jones needs to come out and shoot it down in the strongest possible terms.

4. I personally believe that if it is true, it is one of the most stupid football decisions I've ever witnessed. Again, I already know how the anti-Garrett crowd will interpret my perspective, I can' help that, I'm just being honest about what I see. I am among those who DO think the culture is changing in Dallas (I think yesterday was an evidence of it).

after countless posts desperately defending Red Ball you really think you have any credibility claiming this is thougtful? [/qu

Having credibility with you or anyone else on an internet forum ranks near the very bottom of my priorities in life.



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If Jerry does that, JG needs to start looking for a job.

 

[Zman5]

It's obvious JG is an average coach at best. At best. What's wrong with JJ wanting to see if there is anything better?

Would you be against JJ taking a look to see if there are better 3rd CBs than Scandrick? Or there are a better centers than Costa?

Hypothetically, if we have a chance to get Tom Brady to replace Romo, would you be upset at JJ for looking into the possibility? I won't be and I think Romo is one of the last player that need to be replaced.

 

[Idgit]

It's obvious JG is an average coach at best. At best. What's wrong with JJ wanting to see if there is anything better?

Would you be against JJ taking a look to see if there are better 3rd CBs than Scandrick? Or there are a better centers than Costa?

Hypothetically, if we have a chance to get Tom Brady to replace Romo, would you be upset at JJ for looking into the possibility? I won't be and I think Romo is one of the last player that need to be replaced.

It's not so obvious this season. At least when compared to everyone else in the division. There are more experienced coaches with better starting talent than the Cowboys right now sitting in the same leaky boat Jason Garrett is sitting in.

 

[Zaxor]

It's not so obvious this season. At least when compared to everyone else in the division. There are more experienced coaches with better starting talent than the Cowboys right now sitting in the same leaky boat Jason Garrett is sitting in.

I think you can add better backup talent as well

I am amazed that the Cowboys are even keeping games close let alone winning them

 

[Zordon]

It's not so obvious this season. At least when compared to everyone else in the division. There are more experienced coaches with better starting talent than the Cowboys right now sitting in the same leaky boat Jason Garrett is sitting in.

here's the thing about that talent...the roster will always be flawed with jerry at the helm. it's going to take a great head coach to overcome all of the deficiencies in our personnel department. jason is not that. he might be one day but we don't have time to wait around for him with all of the windows closing around here.

 

[burmafrd]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcaldw

There are a few things I want to say about this. And I know that my comments will be interpreted by many as simply reflecting my "blind" support of Jason Garrett. I prefer to think it reflects a whole bunch of years of watching and supporting this team, and hopefully a little bit of football knowledge.

1. If this report is true it enrages me. And it has nothing to do with Garrett. It would have to do with an owner who doesn't have a clue. Wouldn't it be better, even if you are considering a change, to let the season get finished? The team has won 4 of 5, just had a huge emotional win and actually is making a bit of a run despite an overwhelming number of injuries. Show some respect.

[View Full Quote] 2. Regardless of whether or not this is true, I have felt that Jones is trying to put pressure on Garrett after some early season disappointments. Fair enough. Except what Jones doesn't seem to realize is that I don't think Garrett is the type of guy who cares about that. I think he works hard and gives it his best regardless. It is only having an effect in Jerry's world.

3. If this is not true, then this is the last thing we need at this time in the season and Jones needs to come out and shoot it down in the strongest possible terms.

4. I personally believe that if it is true, it is one of the most stupid football decisions I've ever witnessed. Again, I already know how the anti-Garrett crowd will interpret my perspective, I can' help that, I'm just being honest about what I see. I am among those who DO think the culture is changing in Dallas (I think yesterday was an evidence of it).

after countless posts desperately defending Red Ball you really think you have any credibility claiming this is thougtful? [/qu

Having credibility with you or anyone else on an internet forum ranks near the very bottom of my priorities in life.



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since most of your posts are an endless kool aid session for Red Ball I do not think you have to worry about any one other then fellow Kool Aid drinkers taking you seriously

 

[Shinywalrus]

I don't think anything you've said is unreasonable, and I am one who thinks that Garrett is out of his depth and needs to be replaced. This isn't the kind of situation where I think anyone benefits from the existence of truth or rumor of it during the season, however.

Not that you can always control rumors, of course.

 

[CoCo]

Regarding the coach search report I'll just say that its a rough business.

The stakes are very high and you must be prepared to deal with adversity. If the search is on, Garrett simply must deal with that adversity like the team has had to deal with injured players and last week's tragedy.

It doesn't seem to dissuade Garrett. It seems to make him more of who he is. Focus, next man up, diligent preparation while blocking out the noise.

Distraction will always be a component of the NFL. The media will see to that. Real or fabricated, I'm not sure it matters which.

I respect the job Garrett is doing.

 

[cowboysooner]

How can you fire a coach when the team has suffered this many injuries and still competed for a division title? Honestly this team has no business winning 7 games with this many injuries.

I understand making some coaching changes. Particularly on the defensive side of things.

Why on earth would you want to make defensive coaching changes when performance that side of the ball has far exceeded the offense and 90+% of the key injuries are concentrated on that side?

 

[Hoofbite]

How can you fire a coach when the team has suffered this many injuries and still competed for a division title? Honestly this team has no business winning 7 games with this many injuries.

I understand making some coaching changes. Particularly on the defensive side of things.

Even at full strength the team looked sloppy and unprepared and this season has become more penalty prone than the last.

If injuries were a real deterrent, no coach would ever get fired because injuries happen every year.

There may be reasons why you don't fire Garrett but injuries isn't one of them.

 

[Hoofbite]

Why on earth would you want to make defensive coaching changes when performance that side of the ball has far exceeded the offense and 90+% of the key injuries are concentrated on that side?

Excellent question.

Defense killed by injuries isn't enough to save the DC but is enough to save the HC.

 

[rcaldw]

since most of your posts are an endless kool aid session for Red Ball I do not think you have to worry about any one other then fellow Kool Aid drinkers taking you seriously

Your posts seem to ASSUME that YOU have "cred". I wouldn't make that assumption. Sometimes your credibility is known as much by your critics as by your supporters. I'll take your view of me as a compliment. Thanks.

 

[noshame]

Exactly, it's the same nonsense, the team is underprepared, and under achieves early in the season. They then try to overcome the huge hole they've dug itself into. It was the same song last year, we finished strong and yet again faultered this year. Enough, I want a coach who has his team in a posistion to withstand the injury bug at seasons end.

Can we at least get a AMEN on replacing the ST coach?

 

[CATCH17]

How can you fire a coach when the team has suffered this many injuries and still competed for a division title? Honestly this team has no business winning 7 games with this many injuries.

I understand making some coaching changes. Particularly on the defensive side of things.

Because the coach isn't very good and doesn't give us any coaching advantages.

We come out slow every week and just look unprepared.

A lot of our problems are the signs of a classic badly coached team.

 

[rcaldw]

Because the coach isn't very good and doesn't give us any coaching advantages.

We come out slow every week and just look unprepared.

A lot of our problems are the signs of a classic badly coached team.

Notice how your answer doesn't match the question. Why not? Because the true answer doesn't match your narrative.

The narrative is that Garrett is awful.

The facts say that his team is outperforming teams, or in the same situation with teams, in the same division, with better current rosters than he has.

How do we explain that? Well, the narrative doesn't allow us to give the true answer.... "He's done a pretty good job".

So, we either avoid the question or spin it. And the world keeps turning and turning and turning and turning and turning and turning.......

 

[Miller]

Remember fans protested outside of the stadium 2 years ago to get Kubiak fired who was worse than Garrett at the time. Owner stuck with him and look how it's paid off. Only morons change every 2-3 years. Especially when you're above 500.

This is false. I'm tired of the Gary Kubiak job being an example of how its done. Go look at their message board. There is still a Fire Kubiak thread going. They don't trust him in big games and the playoffs. Kubiak was one of I think 4 coaches in the history of the league who was retained after 5 losing seasons so its not a fool proof plan. Kubiak still makes in game mistakes, etc. His issues were always hiring his own Denver people as D Coordinator. The owner made him hire Wade and they are basically co-coaches now. Until Wade came in and drafted for their D, Kubiak was going nowhere. There is also the issue that Kubiak was a great O Coordinator but had problems with time management and game management. Garrett hasn't even shown he is a proficient O Coordinator or play caller. So please stop using this example. Its an outlier and not even accurate.

Garrett has been here 6 years. I measure success on "is the team moving in the right direction." Right now I'd say no. We are stagnant. We make the same mistakes and penalties. We come out unprepared and have to make furious finishes to compete and we get outcoached in games. If he proves me otherwise down the stretch so be it, but if we are .500, that isn't progress.

Also, stop saying 2-3 years. Parcells was here 4. Wade was here 4. You can't just take the last 2 decades divide by the coaches and say 2-3. That is not what the trend has been. Garrett has been party of the machinery for 6 years.

 

[rcaldw]

This is false. I'm tired of the Gary Kubiak job being an example of how its done. Go look at their message board. There is still a Fire Kubiak thread going. They don't trust him in big games and the playoffs. Kubiak was one of I think 4 coaches in the history of the league who was retained after 5 losing seasons so its not a fool proof plan. Kubiak still makes in game mistakes, etc. His issues were always hiring his own Denver people as D Coordinator. The owner made him hire Wade and they are basically co-coaches now. Until Wade came in and drafted for their D, Kubiak was going nowhere. There is also the issue that Kubiak was a great O Coordinator but had problems with time management and game management. Garrett hasn't even shown he is a proficient O Coordinator or play caller. So please stop using this example. Its an outlier and not even accurate. Garrett has been here 6 years.

Wade Phillips is not the co-coach. That is your take on it.

 

[CATCH17]

I think sadly, a lot of Garrett's faults are going to be masked by the injuries. The injures will be the scapegoat for not making the playoffs, when there were a couple of game left on the field due to poor decisions by the head football coach. He won't be fired, but he needs to get his crap together if he is going to last after next year.

From what I understand, ticket sales & local television ratings are down for the Cowboys.

The general public has seen this same stuff over and over and they are tired of it.

Jason better have 1 strong finish because if he doesn't then there is no way Jerry can sale hope going into next season. People just won't buy it.

Now if he gets Sean Payton... Well we just became the biggest headline in the NFL and the expectations go through the roof.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Exactly, it's the same nonsense, the team is underprepared, and under achieves early in the season. They then try to overcome the huge hole they've dug itself into. It was the same song last year, we finished strong and yet again faultered this year. Enough, I want a coach who has his team in a posistion to withstand the injury bug at seasons end.

Can we at least get a AMEN on replacing the ST coach?

Now that I'll agree with. We nearly had 2 punts blocked Sunday. I won't blame him for Moormans 25 yard punts Bc that's a mental thing the player has.

Hope Garrett gets rid of him.