Coaching is overrated

[Blackspider214]

This is players game. Andy Reid never won the big one till Mahomes came.
Bellichik doesnt even take the patriots to playoffs without Brady.

Times of Tom landry, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi coaching was needed due to social conditions also. Now every athlete gets top dollar, colleges are grooming most players to pro style, at least in SEC.

When we had the best Oline, Jason Garrett team was #1 seed.

I love this whole "Reid never won". Yeah, he only went to 5 conference championships with a very average McNabb as QB. A Super Bowl appearance Had really good teams with Alex Smith.

If coaching didn't matter, explain how McVay can get the most out of average QBs like Stafford and Goff. Explain how Harbaugh with SF can take Kap to the Super Bowl.

Coaching matters a ton in the NFL, way more than college because the talent field is so even and the margin for error is razor thin. Most games are decided in the last 5min so every decision is crucial.

You sound just like Jerry Jones. And there's a big reason why spares like Garrett or Kellen Moore never have and never will win anything.

 

[beware_d-ware]

An Adam Gase, Jason Garrett, Urban Meyer, etc can wreck a good team. But IMO, coaches cannot elevate the talent on the field with a bad team.

Bill Belichick is the greatest DC ever. He was back to his usual tricks of punking rookie QBs this year, and it didn't get him past 8-9 because his gutted out offense is horrible.

 

[beware_d-ware]

LOL. Dude. Reid got to the SB with McNabb and missing his number 1 WR (the WR in football at that time)

He also was in a bunch of NFCCG before going to KC.

Reid is probably the worst example you could have given.

Eagles defensive rankings by year:

2000: #4
2001: #2
2002: #2
2003: #7
2004: #2

Jim Johnson's unit was loaded.

 

[erod]

I love this whole "Reid never won". Yeah, he only went to 5 conference championships with a very average McNabb as QB. A Super Bowl appearance Had really good teams with Alex Smith.

If coaching didn't matter, explain how McVay can get the most out of average QBs like Stafford and Goff. Explain how Harbaugh with SF can take Kap to the Super Bowl.

Coaching matters a ton in the NFL, way more than college because the talent field is so even and the margin for error is razor thin. Most games are decided in the last 5min so every decision is crucial.

You sound just like Jerry Jones. And there's a big reason why spares like Garrett or Kellen Moore never have and never will win anything.

With Stafford, who isn't average? Did you see the players and acquisitions on that roster?

 

[StarOfGlory]

This is players game. Andy Reid never won the big one till Mahomes came.
Bellichik doesnt even take the patriots to playoffs without Brady.

Times of Tom landry, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi coaching was needed due to social conditions also. Now every athlete gets top dollar, colleges are grooming most players to pro style, at least in SEC.

When we had the best Oline, Jason Garrett team was #1 seed.

So, you are saying that Mahomes would be just as good learning from Garrett as he has from Reid? If Reid has the same teams that Garrett had, you don’t think we may have been a bit more successful?

 

[DandyDon1722]

Bill Belichek won a Super Bowl due to his film study of the Seahawks goal line plays and his players executed it. One play, one moment, won them a World Championship.

But wait..there's more...

Bill Parcells or Dave Campo

Sean McVay or Jeff Fischer

Sean McDermott or Doug Marrone/Anthony Linn/Rex Ryan

C'mon man.

 

[tomsanders921]

This is players game. Andy Reid never won the big one till Mahomes came.
Bellichik doesnt even take the patriots to playoffs without Brady.

Times of Tom landry, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi coaching was needed due to social conditions also. Now every athlete gets top dollar, colleges are grooming most players to pro style, at least in SEC.

When we had the best Oline, Jason Garrett team was #1 seed.

It's all about the QB. An elite QB can turn almost any time in a Superbowl contender.

A dominant defensive line (with at least one stud dt) can carry a team to a Superbowl as well. Just ask cam Newton about facing that broncos dline.

Coaching is obviously important. But it can only get you so far. Without one of the above you have no shot at winning the superbowl

 

[Dalmations202]

Coaching is underrated, not overrated.

Yes - you need talent.
A head coach needs to be a motivator and discipliner. He needs to know how to teach, and how to evaluate and see both tendencies and weaknesses. He needs to be able to control both his coaches and his players.

Many are great talent evaluators, motivators, or teachers, but few ever have what is needed to do it all.

Take Wade Phillips. He taught, he motivated, he even seemed to evaluate well, but he didn't control the other coaches, and he didn't provide discipline.

Problem is, finding a good coordinator is not the same as finding a great head coach. Two differing skillsets that keep teams hiring the next new coordinator and making him a HC, and finding out later that he is a great coordinator, but not a great HC.

 

[Jarntt]

This is players game. Andy Reid never won the big one till Mahomes came.
Bellichik doesnt even take the patriots to playoffs without Brady.

Times of Tom landry, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi coaching was needed due to social conditions also. Now every athlete gets top dollar, colleges are grooming most players to pro style, at least in SEC.

When we had the best Oline, Jason Garrett team was #1 seed.

I tend to think even NFL average coaching could have led to some additional wins for this team over the past few years. Heck, even a non fan with after a one hour class on time management may have won us some games…

 

[RS12]

Coaching is overrated​

So apparently is winning.

 

[Shane612]

Between two equally talented teams, the one with the better coaching will win.

25% coaching
110% players.

 

[NumOneQB]

Wow, the threads in this forum this week. What has happened?

 

[Stak78]

For those that think coaching doesn’t matter in football, you are sorely mistaken.
Can a coach win a Super Bowl with nothing but average players? No. But he’ll do better than a team with great players and a crappy coach. The Cowboys have fallen in the later category since Parcells did all he could with an owner/GM like Jerry.
A wise man once said “I rather face an army of lions led by a sheep than an army of sheep led by a lion”.

 

[john van brocklin]

Generally agree. Good coaching can only take you so far. An elite coach might add a win or two to a season, but it's the roster that matters.

How many coaches have the Cowboys gone through since the last championship?
How many of those seasons did the team possess a true championship caliber roster?

Well how about time management and teaching your team situational football awareness?
Do we win the Jags game if these were handled correctly?

 

[john van brocklin]

Wow, the threads in this forum this week. What has happened?

Forum is still in a stuper from the PTSD
of that beat down against the deadskins

 

[john van brocklin]

For those that think coaching doesn’t matter in football, you are sorely mistaken.
Can a coach win a Super Bowl with nothing but average players? No. But he’ll do better than a team with great players and a crappy coach. The Cowboys have fallen in the later category since Parcells did all he could with an owner/GM like Jerry.
A wise man once said “I rather face an army of lions led by a sheep than an army of sheep led by a lion”.

Yep, we have had a parade of subpar head coaches since Jimmy.
The lone exception being Parcells.
It's part of the culture problem.

 

[mattjames2010]

Coaching is more important in football than any other sport. There is a chess match going on on the sidelines every week and the pieces are put in place by the HC.

 

[Yobwocs]

Yeah no. This isn't the MLB, the NBA, or soccer. NFL is a coach's game. It's more based on coaching than any other sport or league I can think of. You can argue plenty of college sports, but still NFL is more based on the coach than even those.

 

[plymkr]

This is players game. Andy Reid never won the big one till Mahomes came.
Bellichik doesnt even take the patriots to playoffs without Brady.

Times of Tom landry, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi coaching was needed due to social conditions also. Now every athlete gets top dollar, colleges are grooming most players to pro style, at least in SEC.

When we had the best Oline, Jason Garrett team was #1 seed.

I agree with you that coaching is overrated. But I would add culture is not. I feel a healthy culture is more important than coaching. I also feel a healthy culture can make average players play better. Just like a toxic culture can make players with great talent play average. And that's why we haven't had any meaningful success in 27 years.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

This is players game. Andy Reid never won the big one till Mahomes came.
Bellichik doesnt even take the patriots to playoffs without Brady.

Times of Tom landry, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi coaching was needed due to social conditions also. Now every athlete gets top dollar, colleges are grooming most players to pro style, at least in SEC.

When we had the best Oline, Jason Garrett team was #1 seed.

I think you don't realize what is wrong with this team. Talent is not the problem in Dallas.