Colin: "It's the same recipe for success"

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offense scored 13 points. defense, special teams gifted us with 9 points (almost 10 if not for a missed PAT execution). essentially with that defense, another field goal and we win.

offense needs to be better.
What? We did win, so no idea what you mean here. And there's no point in opening up the passing game when the running game is working and you don't have to. You open yourself up to sacks and turnovers in a game where a turnover could have changed the outcome.
 

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The same people would crucify Dak for a 100 yard passing WIN. Yet they want to continue this formula when he comes back. I do too, but I'm willing to accept less gaudy stats because it comes with the territory. Let's just support the starting QB whoever he is. I love the Rush win streak and Dak has had multiple win streaks in his career (without this defense). We're fortunate to have both.
I hope when he comes back that this is the formula we use. The only ones that would crucify him likely have him on their fantasy squad. When you don't have an elite qb, you focus on ball control and defense. 2 things this team has shown it can do. Dak needs to stick with the running plays that are called and get the ball out quickly. If he does that we can continue to succeed.
 

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The same people would crucify Dak for a 100 yard passing WIN. Yet they want to continue this formula when he comes back. I do too, but I'm willing to accept less gaudy stats because it comes with the territory. Let's just support the starting QB whoever he is. I love the Rush win streak and Dak has had multiple win streaks in his career (without this defense). We're fortunate to have both.
No we wouldn’t. Cause Dak doesn’t make his usual bone head plays and turn the ball over.
Play within the system.
 

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The same people would crucify Dak for a 100 yard passing WIN. Yet they want to continue this formula when he comes back. I do too, but I'm willing to accept less gaudy stats because it comes with the territory. Let's just support the starting QB whoever he is. I love the Rush win streak and Dak has had multiple win streaks in his career (without this defense). We're fortunate to have both.

The only people criticizing how they won yesterday are fantasy football types. They had the lead for almost the entire game. Those are exactly the type of games you tend to see less passing. If Dak were out there I'd hope to see the same and be thankful for it. More passes are more chances for their defensive playmakers to make plays. Why risk Donald getting a strip sack or Ramsay a pick? Especially when the running game was on schedule.

What? We did win, so no idea what you mean here. And there's no point in opening up the passing game when the running game is working and you don't have to. You open yourself up to sacks and turnovers in a game where a turnover could have changed the outcome.

Beat me to it.
 

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40M is a hefty price tag for a bus driver but if Dak comes back and accepts his role, I don’t see why we couldn’t have success with him. Run the ball, play action, bootlegs, go deep when you need to… if he stops pretending he’s a gunslinger and starts playing to his strengths instead we should be fine.
 

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40M is a hefty price tag for a bus driver but if Dak comes back and accepts his role, I don’t see why we couldn’t have success with him. Run the ball, play action, bootlegs, go deep when you need to… if he stops pretending he’s a gunslinger and starts playing to his strengths instead we should be fine.
That’s the issue. It’s always been the issue.
Accept his role on the team.
SleepNumber thinks he’s an “elite” QB and he’s not. Even though the stupid owner paid him like one which only added to his idiotic attitude.
 

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This is true. But around here it can't be. The only thing some cowboys fans can accept is to blame Dak.

Look at Aikman. He never lit it up. Who has the best offense in the NFL right now? Eagles most likely and Hurts and company are doing it on the ground and air.

300 plus yards is typically a stat of a losing teams QB.

Looking at the amount of carries and correlating to wins and losses is just stupid. There are so many factors that play into it, whether you are playing with a lead, whether you have a good defense, etc.

If you have a lot of passing attempts and yards it probably means you are playing from behind and/or you have a bad defense, neither of which Aikman ever had to deal with.
 

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Actually Scott Linehan was a genius (yes I hated him) when it comes to dak.
Scott immediately saw Daks weaknesses and designed a mobile offense that Dak could flourish in.
problem being Linehan and KM are pocket quarterback guys.
they've been trying to put Dak in the pocket ever since 2016.

he can't do it. teams have slowly figured that out, he's inaccurate and below average arm. They play with the corners off, safeties up take away the middle and try to force him to throw outside.
He can't/won't do it. He can't throw into a crowded middle either, there's the problem.
Either move him out of the pocket and start doing the same rpo, roll out, boot leg stuff you did in 2016, otherwise hes done. Rush is a better pocket quarterback than Dak. His arm is no stronger, but just accurate enough to hit the intermediate middle which Dak won't throw.
Give Dak a chance, move him around, or you'll have a instant QB controversy on you're hands and Dak will be out of the NFL
Bank it.
 

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The question is, will McCarthy and Moore force Dak to play into the current conservative system? Or will they think that their savior has returned and allowing him to throwing it 35-40 times/game again?

I think there is are factions of the team/organization (possibly even Dak himself) that care more about individual perceptions than overall team success.

I hate saying that, but I am starting to think it's true. Dak thinks he's elite. Can the coaches save Dak from himself?
 

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Hahahaha. This is the same Colin Cowherd who a few years back was banging the Dak drum calling him everything you want in a franchise quarterback.

Nobody plays to the moment and talks out of both sides of his mouth better than Cowherd. Why people continue to waste their time watching these media fools trying to draw attention to themselves amazes me.
 

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In 2016, La’el Collins was playing Left Guard. The Cowboys Oline was Smith - Collins - Frederick - Martin - Free. The reason the Cowboys running game took a nose dive in 2017 was the retirement of Free, and moving Collins to Right Tackle. Collins was always better suited to play Guard - as Micah Parsons proved in the Bengals game this year.

If the Cowboys want to get back to being dominant in the run game, they have to fix the center of their Oline. They have a chance when Tyron comes back, and they can move Tyler Smith back to Left Guard later this season.

Too bad Peters got hurt so quickly. Dak has never played well when Tyron Smith has been hurt. He doesn’t have Romo’d Houdini-like escapability, or his creativity when a play breaks down. Dak doesn’t elevate the play of his receivers like Romo did.

Dak is good enough to win with a strong running game and defense. He’s more talented than Rush. But he needs to run the plays that are called, and stop ad libbing with audibles. If he plays within the scheme, he can become a Super Bowl winning QB without having to be a superstar.
 

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I agree it's the current "recipe" that's working. Control the ball; minimize risk (turnovers/penalties); make the most of opportunities to score; trust your superior defense as a known quantity.

Only question in Dallas is whether the soufflé presently on the Autumn menu can be made to rise with a different sous chef in the kitchen. Perhaps someone here can articulate a logical reason - barring injury, or utter performance-related collapse - to insert Dak into a scheme that's clearly working (against quality opponents)? A few years ago, one could have said with conviction that Dak offers the option of beating teams with his legs. Yet, that's not really true since the leg injury, is it? And the proof is in that Rush is the more accurate passer, able to lead his receivers, and "throw them open", even (always the knock on Dak). And gets the ball out quicker which, no doubt, has contributed to the marked decline in holding penalties historically incurred while Dak is checking-down, clutching the ball and otherwise being indecisive behind the line of scrimmage.

I believe in "dancing with the one who brung ya." And this dance with Rush isn't over yet.
 

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That’s the issue. It’s always been the issue.
Accept his role on the team.
SleepNumber thinks he’s an “elite” QB and he’s not. Even though the stupid owner paid him like one which only added to his idiotic attitude.

Yup, it’s 100% up to him at this point. Will he set the ego aside and do what’s best for this team going forward? I won’t hold my breath since I’ve stopped expecting anything from him a while ago but I hope he does the right thing. I certainly wouldn’t mind winning with Dak as our QB and I know it’s possible with how this team is built, he has to buy into it though.
 

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I'm a frustrated Dak fan. But I want him to be the QB to take us to the superbowl.
 

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That’s the issue. It’s always been the issue.
Accept his role on the team.
SleepNumber thinks he’s an “elite” QB and he’s not. Even though the stupid owner paid him like one which only added to his idiotic attitude.

What I worry about the most with Dak is that he is going to come out trying to prove something. He's already the leader of the team. Micah is getting close but he's more so the heart and soul of the defense. I wouldn't be surprised if his first play was a pick.

All this talking he's doing, sooner or later he has to produce. Prior to getting hurt, Dak said he was in the best shape and state of mind for football then he had a passer rating of 15.1. And that was before he got hurt! He's acting like he's going to lose his job or something. Well, maybe he knows something or he's scared of karma. I don't know. Collin pegged him right.
 
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