Collinworths says Haynesworth should be arrested!

[Bob Sacamano]

a short, jabbing kick

it wasn't that little, Gurode's head shot back up, sort of a sideways whiplash, so obviously he used more force than necessary

 

[Dale]

Wayne, I will look again, but I saw two 'assaults' - a jabbing kick AND a stomp flush on the unprotected head.

It was the most egregious post-play action I ever recall in pro football. Because the man was down, and totally defenseless, sans helmet. Because there was no provocation. Because a man of Haynesworth's mass did appear to 'stomp'. Because it was a double shot to an area which could have left the player blinded. And because it was a tw0 dozen stitch wound.

Sure, we're probably over-reacting tonight to some degree, but if you recall the hysteria over the Marcus Vick stomp to a player's calf (which rightly got him kicked off the team), then this is a legit reaction to a much more vicious act.

We'd all benefit from reviewing it again (by morning it might be an attack with spiked cleats), but the reaction of the mediots tonight is equally aghast.

Good post.

I'll never forget my reaction to seeing Vick's stomp. At the time, I thought it was one of the most classless acts I had ever seen on the football field. I applauded Va. Tech removing the nut from their team.

This incident blows that out of the water.

 

[ComicBookGuy]

Just to let you know, if Gurode or any hitter ever wanted to press charges, they could.

Actually any hitter would have a very difficult time proving it in a trial court. It would be his word versus the pitcher. Civil court, maybe. But they might have a difficult time winning since you are pretty much putting yourself in harms way when you are standing about 6 inches from an area where a guy is throwing an object that ways about a third of a pound 90+ mph.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Of course it is. No one is questioning that.

then he can be charged

 

[bounce]

I think it was terrible - possibly an arrestable offense, but don't make it sound worse than it was.

He didn't put all his weight behind it. If he did, Gurode would be dead.

He didn't "stomp" down, he jabbed his foot down.

He didn't grind his cleats.

Terrible thing he did, but you guys are making it look like it was a malicious beating that Gurode is lucky to survive.

 

[theogt]

I'll admit I don't know as much about legal issues as I should, but I'm not sure whether he "meant" for him to lose his eyesight really matters.

He twice stepped on his face intentionally -- after removing Gurode's helmet, no less. You don't have to be all that smart to know cleats can do some damage to the face.

This case notwithstanding, I'm sure a lot of crimes are committed by people who "didn't mean to do it."

The purpose of my post was to show that the specific intent of any particular damage is irrelevant.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

but you guys are making it look like it was a malicious beating that Gurode is lucky to survive.

not really, just stating that it was a pathetic showing and can be charged as assault

 

[theogt]

then he can be charged

Yes, he absolutely can be charged. The question is, should he be charged?

 

[ComicBookGuy]

I think it was terrible - possibly an arrestable offense, but don't make it sound worse than it was.

He didn't put all his weight behind it. If he did, Gurode would be dead.

He didn't "stomp" down, he jabbed his foot down.

He didn't grind his cleats.

Terrible thing he did, but you guys are making it look like it was a malicious beating that Gurode is lucky to survive.

....right, next time somebody stabs you in the face causing cuts large enough for 30 stitches(do you realize how big a cut has to be or how many cuts are necessary for 30 stitches?) I hope you don't go complain about it, because it wasn't so bad that you were lucky to survive.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The purpose of my post was to show that the specific intent of any particular damage is irrelevant.

so fat Albert's specific intent was...

 

[big dog cowboy]

Chris Collinsworth says Haynes worth should be arrested and charged!

I knew one of these days he would say something I agree with.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes, he absolutely can be charged. The question is, should he be charged?

I think he should, although someone on the COwboys will probably intercede on his behalf assuming his league, and team punishment, is fitting in their eyes

 

[theogt]

I think he should, although someone on the COwboys will probably intercede on his behalf assuming his league, and team punishment, is fitting in their eyes

I don't think you'll find a government in the United States that would prosecute. Just saying.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I think it was terrible - possibly an arrestable offense, but don't make it sound worse than it was.

He didn't put all his weight behind it. If he did, Gurode would be dead.

He didn't "stomp" down, he jabbed his foot down.

He didn't grind his cleats.

Terrible thing he did, but you guys are making it look like it was a malicious beating that Gurode is lucky to survive.

I saw a jab AND a stomp.

Raising the foot until it's roughly at the height of mid calf and then bringing the foot down with even controlled force qualifies as a stomp.

The fat thing probably couldn't raise his leg any higher.

 

[JGalt]

I think it was terrible - possibly an arrestable offense, but don't make it sound worse than it was.

He didn't put all his weight behind it. If he did, Gurode would be dead.

He didn't "stomp" down, he jabbed his foot down.

He didn't grind his cleats.

Terrible thing he did, but you guys are making it look like it was a malicious beating that Gurode is lucky to survive.

I've finally seen it, thanks to this board. You're correct, it wasn't attempted murder. I haven't read anyone asking for him to get the chair though. It most certainly is an offense worthy of a month in stir.

 

[ComicBookGuy]

I've finally seen it, thanks to this board. You're correct, it wasn't attempted murder. I haven't read anyone asking for him to get the chair though. It most certainly is an offense worthy of a month in stir.

Nah, they don't give the chair in Texas. WE WANT LETHAL INJECTION RAWR!:chainsaw:

 

[dbair1967]

He should be suspended for a long time but that's ludicrous to say he should be arrested

why? did you see what he did? he could have easily blinded or even killed Gurode

I think they charged a hockey guy with assualt during a game from a few season ago...this is no different...I dont know what kind of cleats Haynesworth had on, but they might could be considered a weapon considering what he did...it wasnt an accident

David

 

[bounce]

....right, next time somebody stabs you in the face causing cuts large enough for 30 stitches(do you realize how big a cut has to be or how many cuts are necessary for 30 stitches?) I hope you don't go complain about it, because it wasn't so bad that you were lucky to survive.

Hey chief - do you want to re-read my post? Did I say it wasn't bad? Did I not say it's possibly an arrestable offense?

Did I say not to complain about it?

I said don't say that Haynesworth put all his weight on Gurode's face.

Don't say Haynesworth ground his cleat into Gurode's face.

Don't say he stomped down. There's a distinct difference between a stomp and a jab.

Because they're simply not true. It didn't happen at all like that, and there's plenty of footage to back that up.

I think Haynesworth is a schmuck, and anything less than a full year's suspension is crap. I think he should be fined out the *** - but I'm not embellishing what actually happened.

 

[DLCassidy]

Peter King said he expected he would be fined but not suspended. That's absurd. He should be suspended at least a month and if he was kicked out for the year I don't think that would be excessive- that's how blatant the foul was. I think you'd be surprised some of the stuff that goes on in the trenches so I don't think he should be charged, although clearly he could be. Part of why I think not is Gurode's injuries are not season/career threatening. But he has to sit at least 4 games IMO.

 

[rexrobinson]

Have any of you ever been kicked in the face let alone "curb" stomped like Gurode got? Most of us get the severity of this but some do not...

You can definitly be killed by something like what he did...neck injuries, brain damage and missing his head and crushing his throat come to mind...

There is a reason they wear a helmet...