Come draft time, Cowboys turn to pod to settle disputes

[lkelly]

I guess it's better than having Jerry sit in a room with Larry Lacewell and a fully stocked bar.

 

[JoeKing]

Isn't a "pod" what they call a family of whales? This doesn't instill the idea that the tiebreaker is a real brain-trust.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

And injured. Don't forget injured.

Preferably hasn't even played football before. I'm talking super green.

Maybe draft an athletic power forward from some SEC school.

 

[fredp22]

If we don't draft a backup TE in the 2nd round, so help me God!

And he better be a damn project, or else I'm gonna be super pissed.

isnt it ironic that the only time we didnt do that for a TE was with Witten. We rolled the dice and were lucky he was there in the 3rd.

 

[pete026]

So why is Dooley such a big part of it?

He was the genius who jumped on the table for a headcase in Devin Street.

It is generally considered a sound business practice. If you are a direct supervisor of a certain position in a company, you should be involved in the hiring process. You are ultimately going to be relying on that individual to help you succeed. It sucks to have no say in your people but be held responsible if they stink. This was one of the failures of Jerry's original business model after Jimmy left.

 

[Alexander]

It is generally considered a sound business practice. If you are a direct supervisor of a certain position in a company, you should be involved in the hiring process. You are ultimately going to be relying on that individual to help you succeed. It sucks to have no say in your people but be held responsible if they stink. This was one of the failures of Jerry's original business model after Jimmy left.

That depends on the quality of the supervisor. Dooley never has impressed me, either at Tennessee or in Dallas honestly.

The NFL is a different business than the real world.

Assistant coaches can come and go depending on the regime of the head coach. If you depend on his subordinates for decisions that will extend three or four years in the future, that is risky because chances are, they won't be around if it is a developmental prospect.

 

[jday]

Since 2013, the Cowboys have altered how they work their process in the pre-draft lead-up so another Floyd situation does not arise.

They have become pod people.

Senior director of college and pro personnel Will McClay came up with a pod system that puts scouts and coaches in the same room when there is a disagreement regarding a player's grade. If there is a difference of opinion on a receiver, for example, then position coach Derek Dooley, coach Jason Garrett, McClay, director of college scouting Lionel Vital, and one or two area scouts will watch a handful of games and come to a consensus.

"You just say, 'Here's why I like a guy,' and Dooley will say, 'Well, he can't do this,' and then you work through it," executive vice president Stephen Jones said. "Then there's a back-and-forth: 'Look, here he is doing this,' and then Will's in there [saying], 'I think I agree with Dools here. I just don't think he quite gets it done the way we want to get it done. Don't we all think probably Derek's a little more right?' You just keep working it. If it gets real tight, you work and you work and try to get a final place for the player."

The grade does not become an average where a coach will see the player as a third-rounder and the scout sees him as a fifth-rounder and they settle on the fourth round.

"We don't ever say, 'Let's split the difference," Jones said. "That's just settling."

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cow.../come-draft-time-cowboys-turn-into-pod-people

Excellent read. Though, it does leave you wondering what the hell they were doing before. Obviously, you want your scouts to scout and your coaches to coach, but schematic fit is huge. So wouldn't it be kinda obvious that you would want them in a room together before every draft hashing out what to scout for? Seems like this is something that they should have been doing all along...

 

[Alexander]

Excellent read. Though, it does leave you wondering what the hell they were doing before. Obviously, you want your scouts to scout and your coaches to coach, but schematic fit is huge. So wouldn't it be kinda obvious that you would want them in a room together before every draft hashing out what to scout for? Seems like this is something that they should have been doing all along...

I thought the big deal with McClay was that he was the filter. He talks to the coaches, gets the info, tells the scouts what to go look for.

Now this comes out and we still have coaches on a soap box and what sounds like a bad idea.

I am a firm believer that scouts know these players more intimately than anyone, they spend an entire year with them. Much more than a coach who watches tape for a few weeks or has one of their nepotistic coaching buddies put in a good word for them.

I understand coaches want players to fit what they want. But if they feel that strongly about a player they have not spent a lot of time with, there are other factors involved.

 

[pete026]

That depends on the quality of the supervisor. Dooley never has impressed me, either at Tennessee or in Dallas honestly.

The NFL is a different business than the real world.

Assistant coaches can come and go depending on the regime of the head coach. If you depend on his subordinates for decisions that will extend three or four years in the future, that is risky because chance are, they won't be around if it is a developmental prospect.

First, the article was using Dooley as an example of the process, not speaking about his quality as a receiver coach.

Second, another sound business practice is to make good selections on position coaches and do things to make them want to stay like involving them.

Third, Today's NFL is very similar to any large, prominent business. And is generally successful if based on sound business practices. See the Pats model.

 

[Alexander]

And is generally successful if based on sound business practices. See the Pats model.

I hardly think the Patriot business model means involving the WR coach in a committee when there is a dispute about a draft prospect.

 

[Risen Star]

That depends on the quality of the supervisor. Dooley never has impressed me, either at Tennessee or in Dallas honestly.

The NFL is a different business than the real world.

Assistant coaches can come and go depending on the regime of the head coach. If you depend on his subordinates for decisions that will extend three or four years in the future, that is risky because chances are, they won't be around if it is a developmental prospect.

They also aren't paid talent evaluators. They're not doing the work on these players year round during their entire college career.

In 2003 there was a reported shift away from coaching input and toward the scouts and while they weren't world beaters the results showed it was a good decision. There was improvement from the monstrosity of the Campo years.

 

[Vinnie2u]

I thought the title read Cowboys turn to pot to settle disputes..420

 

[haleyrules]

Since 2013, the Cowboys have altered how they work their process in the pre-draft lead-up so another Floyd situation does not arise.

They have become pod people.

Senior director of college and pro personnel Will McClay came up with a pod system that puts scouts and coaches in the same room when there is a disagreement regarding a player's grade. If there is a difference of opinion on a receiver, for example, then position coach Derek Dooley, coach Jason Garrett, McClay, director of college scouting Lionel Vital, and one or two area scouts will watch a handful of games and come to a consensus.

"You just say, 'Here's why I like a guy,' and Dooley will say, 'Well, he can't do this,' and then you work through it," executive vice president Stephen Jones said. "Then there's a back-and-forth: 'Look, here he is doing this,' and then Will's in there [saying], 'I think I agree with Dools here. I just don't think he quite gets it done the way we want to get it done. Don't we all think probably Derek's a little more right?' You just keep working it. If it gets real tight, you work and you work and try to get a final place for the player."

The grade does not become an average where a coach will see the player as a third-rounder and the scout sees him as a fifth-rounder and they settle on the fourth round.

"We don't ever say, 'Let's split the difference," Jones said. "That's just settling."

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cow.../come-draft-time-cowboys-turn-into-pod-people

lol. It seems teams experts are far more accurate the higher a club drafts. Its a crap shoot after the first half of the 1st round.

 

[CF74]

Repeating the same joke over and over again to the same audience is poor comedy. Similar to the deification of a player year after year.

It's the repetitive programming method, very effective with brain dead shills and the easily influenced follower types..


That will be $29.95

 

[windward]

Have Broaddus, Helman and Brugler be the tiebreakers?

 

[DFWJC]

I thought the title read Cowboys turn to pot to settle disputes..420

Meeting adjourned

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

That depends on the quality of the supervisor. Dooley never has impressed me, either at Tennessee or in Dallas honestly.

The NFL is a different business than the real world.

Assistant coaches can come and go depending on the regime of the head coach. If you depend on his subordinates for decisions that will extend three or four years in the future, that is risky because chances are, they won't be around if it is a developmental prospect.

If you dont think Dooley knows enough to have a say in who to draft at WR then he shouldn't be the WR coach.

 

[texbumthelife]

So why is Dooley such a big part of it?

He was the genius who jumped on the table for a headcase in Devin Street.

Because in the example they're talking about a WR and he is WR coach. If they were talking about LBs they would have referenced the LB coach. It's not that Dooley is always involved.

 

[Alexander]

Because in the example they're talking about a WR and he is WR coach. If they were talking about LBs they would have referenced the LB coach. It's not that Dooley is always involved.

That was not my assumption. I would have just as much of a problem as having Gary Brown involved in a five way debate.

 

[AsthmaField]

Well... something is working well.

Just keep doing what they're doing and we will be fine.