Come draft time, Cowboys turn to pod to settle disputes

[pete026]

I hardly think the Patriot business model means involving the WR coach in a committee when there is a dispute about a draft prospect.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. BB doesn't reveal a lot about what their processes are if you know anything about him.

They also keep coaches around for long stints (like 10 years minimum) and that is the model I was speaking to in rebuttal to your argument that it is stupid to involve a position coach in a draft decision when he'll be gone in 4 years and won't be around by the time they develop.

You seem to have this big issue with Dooley and that started you down a path. But this method of evaluation of draft prospects has nothing to do with the qualifications of Dooley. That is what "For example" means. You did read the article???

 

[Idgit]

Boy that sure is great scouting when the QB you KNOW will be a franchise QB is ranked #7 among QBs that year

All you doubters can rest easy and those giving Cowboys "credit" for evaluating Dak correctly were obviously right and can pat themselves on the back

We're in good hands

Your suggestion that we're actually not in good hands because we found a franchise QB at the bottom of the 4th round is very interesting. Gonna have to give this one the careful consideration it deserves before weighing in.

 

[Cowboys_22]

One more good draft and we are going to rule the next 5 years.,,,

We're counting on you POD-NERS keep up the good work ...

 

[diefree666]

Your suggestion that we're actually not in good hands because we found a franchise QB at the bottom of the 4th round is very interesting. Gonna have to give this one the careful consideration it deserves before weighing in.

I believe the point is that they had Dak as the SEVENTH RATED QB in the draft. If that was the case then they really cannot brag about what he has become.

 

[DandyDon52]

Boy that sure is great scouting when the QB you KNOW will be a franchise QB is ranked #7 among QBs that year

All you doubters can rest easy and those giving Cowboys "credit" for evaluating Dak correctly were obviously right and can pat themselves on the back

We're in good hands

apparently only linehan "knew" and the rest didnt see anything special, like the rest of the nfl.
Thing is everyone except linehan overlooked or didnt see dak for what he is.
Funny thing is linehan also likes kellen moore, so maybe moore is better than most think?

 

[Idgit]

I believe the point is that they had Dak as the SEVENTH RATED QB in the draft. If that was the case then they really cannot brag about what he has become.

Balls. There were, what, 2000 players coming out of college last year? 250 or so were drafted at all. The Cowboys had 9 picks, total. And fans want to complain that guys contributed to the team significantly but not in lock step with their draft order. So that becomes a justification to suggest the team didn't know what it was doing with the draft. In a season where we had what's probably the best draft in the entire league.

I'm sorry. That argument's so bad it makes my ears bleed just trying to puzzle out how it even made sense in his head before he typed it out and decided to push 'post reply.'

 

[Idgit]

apparently only linehan "knew" and the rest didnt see anything special, like the rest of the nfl.
Thing is everyone except linehan overlooked or didnt see dak for what he is.
Funny thing is linehan also likes kellen moore, so maybe moore is better than most think?

Who do you imagine submitted the card on the Dak pick? You think it was Linehan? Did he grab it and make a break for the podium do you imagine?

 

[DandyDon52]

Who do you imagine submitted the card on the Dak pick? You think it was Linehan? Did he grab it and make a break for the podium do you imagine?

no but whoever did , did not see dak as a franchise qb, my contention is that maybe linehan did.

 

[visionary]

Your suggestion that we're actually not in good hands because we found a franchise QB at the bottom of the 4th round is very interesting. Gonna have to give this one the careful consideration it deserves before weighing in.

As usual English comprehension remains a challenge for you

 

[visionary]

I believe the point is that they had Dak as the SEVENTH RATED QB in the draft. If that was the case then they really cannot brag about what he has become.

Exactly
Idgit never saw a move by Jerry he couldn't spun into a "great move". He is s card carrying Jerry apologist

 

[Verdict]

Thank goodness Jerry is not one of the committee.

I can hear Jerry now saying (lipsmack) yeah but what about the **********?

 

[Verdict]

Boy that sure is great scouting when the QB you KNOW will be a franchise QB is ranked #7 among QBs that year

All you doubters can rest easy and those giving Cowboys "credit" for evaluating Dak correctly were obviously right and can pat themselves on the back

We're in good hands

If the Cowboys were so far off on Dak Prescott what does that make the other 31 teams? Or the other 32 that passed on Brady? Or Romo?

 

[TwoDeep3]

Since 2013, the Cowboys have altered how they work their process in the pre-draft lead-up so another Floyd situation does not arise.

They have become pod people.

Senior director of college and pro personnel Will McClay came up with a pod system that puts scouts and coaches in the same room when there is a disagreement regarding a player's grade. If there is a difference of opinion on a receiver, for example, then position coach Derek Dooley, coach Jason Garrett, McClay, director of college scouting Lionel Vital, and one or two area scouts will watch a handful of games and come to a consensus.

"You just say, 'Here's why I like a guy,' and Dooley will say, 'Well, he can't do this,' and then you work through it," executive vice president Stephen Jones said. "Then there's a back-and-forth: 'Look, here he is doing this,' and then Will's in there [saying], 'I think I agree with Dools here. I just don't think he quite gets it done the way we want to get it done. Don't we all think probably Derek's a little more right?' You just keep working it. If it gets real tight, you work and you work and try to get a final place for the player."

The grade does not become an average where a coach will see the player as a third-rounder and the scout sees him as a fifth-rounder and they settle on the fourth round.

"We don't ever say, 'Let's split the difference," Jones said. "That's just settling."

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cow.../come-draft-time-cowboys-turn-into-pod-people

If they were to not tell Jerry when the draft was, this might improve their odds of having quality drafts year after year.

 

[jday]

I thought the big deal with McClay was that he was the filter. He talks to the coaches, gets the info, tells the scouts what to go look for.

Now this comes out and we still have coaches on a soap box and what sounds like a bad idea.

I am a firm believer that scouts know these players more intimately than anyone, they spend an entire year with them. Much more than a coach who watches tape for a few weeks or has one of their nepotistic coaching buddies put in a good word for them.

I understand coaches want players to fit what they want. But if they feel that strongly about a player they have not spent a lot of time with, there are other factors involved.

That is a good point. But just like the scouts spend more time with the prospects, the coaches have spent years in their system. They know the ingredients that will make them successful better than anyone. I'd be seriously concerned if their voices (eg scouts vs coaches) were not at least equally weighted.

 

[jday]

Meeting adjourned

Bravo! You yanked a guffaw out of me whilst half-asleep. That, sir, is not easy.

 

[Idgit]

Exactly
Idgit never saw a move by Jerry he couldn't spun into a "great move". He is s card carrying Jerry apologist

I've actually bagged on Jerry for many many things over the years. I'm a Garrett and Romo fan, not a Jerry fan. This is you saying things you know are untrue and which you make zero effort to support. And then you scurry off when challenged on it. Just on the topic of last year's draft, I really disliked a RB at #4 overall and I hated the pick at #34.

What I didn't do is bag on the Dak Prescott pick. Because that would be stupid. I thought he was a guy with some ability and the right makeup to be successfull, but he had a lot of work to do. What was unusual about Dak was how quickly he transitioned to taking snaps under center and how quickly he was able to diagnose what NFL defense's were doing. Neither of those things were apparent prior to the draft, which is why every NFL team graded him the way they did.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Repeating the same joke over and over again to the same audience is poor comedy. Similar to the deification of a player year after year.

I had to google deification

 

[DandyDon52]

If the Cowboys were so far off on Dak Prescott what does that make the other 31 teams? Or the other 32 that passed on Brady? Or Romo?

They are as bad as the cowboys lol and with dak they were worse!
it shows they are not evaluating qb's in the right ways.

 

[Common Sense]

So why is Dooley such a big part of it?

He was the genius who jumped on the table for a headcase in Devin Street.

Was Devin Street a headcase? I thought he just couldn't play.

 

[xwalker]

I believe the point is that they had Dak as the SEVENTH RATED QB in the draft. If that was the case then they really cannot brag about what he has become.

I hope they grade everybody's input and give the ones with high grades more input. Linehan apparently loved Dak but the scouts caused the Cowboys to wait until the 4th to draft him.