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4 hours??? That's 2 bathroom breaks! Glad I didn't go to the theater for it.
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ME TOO!
I know I have told this story before but I am going to tell it again.My wife has practically zero patience. Watching a 30-minute sitcom is like an eternity for her. Even so, I remember the night I began watching the movie on HBO Max in our living room. My wife was walking past, caught what I was looking at, stood for about 45 seconds, sat down afterwards and WATCHED THE ENTIRE THING!
No one here knows my wife personally but I can assure anyone that is the best testimonial you could get from moviegoer.
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Henry Cavill fan, I assume.ME TOO!
My wife has practically zero patience. Watching a 30-minute sitcom is like an eternity for her. Even so, I remember the night I began watching the movie on HBO Max in our living room. My wife was walking past, caught what I was looking at, stood for about 45 seconds, sat down afterwards and WATCHED THE ENTIRE THING!
No one here knows my wife personally but I can assure anyone that is the best testimonial you could get from moviegoer.
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Nope. She re-watches many superhero movies. She may have seen Captain America: The Winter Soldier more often than me. She does like her some Chris Evans lol.
However, she never stops pressing the remote when Man of Steel is on or had any interest in seeing him in The Witcher on Netflix for example. Any eye candy grazing may have been for Jason Momoa maybe?
She is a fan of the genre though. She had never bought a comic book or really read any before we first met. Then we saw my collection and dived in. She likes what she likes and ignores what she doesn't. That is why it impresses me a lot that she spends any of her time watching Snyder's Justice League.
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I still can’t watch it in one sitting. But I bought the digital version for like $7 so now I can fast forward through the unnecessary fluff.
I think that was another of Snyder’s issues, the lack of quality editing and making everything a drawn-out song-and-dance. The man does not know subtle.
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Marvel Slated For Drastic Cutbacks After Disappointing Phase 4
If you happen to be one of the people suffering from superhero “fatigue” then you might in luck, as Marvel is set to engage in a ton of cutbacks that will diminish the number of MCU projects that we see in 2023. Apparently, the media giant is not happy with how their Phase 4 movies and shows panned out, so the idea is to focus on “quality over quantity” for the Phase 5 and 6 slate in the coming years. This means that 2023 might be the first year in a long time that many Marvel properties are not jam-packed into a strict schedule.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/marvel-slated-for-phase-4-cutbacks.html
If you happen to be one of the people suffering from superhero “fatigue” then you might in luck, as Marvel is set to engage in a ton of cutbacks that will diminish the number of MCU projects that we see in 2023. Apparently, the media giant is not happy with how their Phase 4 movies and shows panned out, so the idea is to focus on “quality over quantity” for the Phase 5 and 6 slate in the coming years. This means that 2023 might be the first year in a long time that many Marvel properties are not jam-packed into a strict schedule.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/marvel-slated-for-phase-4-cutbacks.html
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Marvel Slated For Drastic Cutbacks After Disappointing Phase 4
If you happen to be one of the people suffering from superhero “fatigue” then you might in luck, as Marvel is set to engage in a ton of cutbacks that will diminish the number of MCU projects that we see in 2023. Apparently, the media giant is not happy with how their Phase 4 movies and shows panned out, so the idea is to focus on “quality over quantity” for the Phase 5 and 6 slate in the coming years. This means that 2023 might be the first year in a long time that many Marvel properties are not jam-packed into a strict schedule.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/marvel-slated-for-phase-4-cutbacks.html
It's about time. They should at most stick to three things a year. Two movies, one in each spring and fall, and one show. Pool the writing talent so you don't water down content and churn out another Phase 4 trash-heap.
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Marvel Slated For Drastic Cutbacks After Disappointing Phase 4
If you happen to be one of the people suffering from superhero “fatigue” then you might in luck, as Marvel is set to engage in a ton of cutbacks that will diminish the number of MCU projects that we see in 2023. Apparently, the media giant is not happy with how their Phase 4 movies and shows panned out, so the idea is to focus on “quality over quantity” for the Phase 5 and 6 slate in the coming years. This means that 2023 might be the first year in a long time that many Marvel properties are not jam-packed into a strict schedule.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/marvel-slated-for-phase-4-cutbacks.html
I’m confused by this article. Where exactly is the source for it?
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Good question. There are no embedded links. The tweet does not link to industry insiders. I could not locate any news releases on or outside Marvel.com.I’m confused by this article. Where exactly is the source for it?
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I’m glad it’s not just me.
And don’t get me wrong, there are parts of what it says that I agree with. I think quality control slipped in Phase Four too. But I don’t see any support or evidence for claims of them cutting back output.
I was leery of Phase Four when it was announced, and my fears proved to be justified. It was a downturn that requires a course correction.
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I am not as down on Phase Four as seemingly worldwide consensus. Thor: Love and Thunder and Moon Knight were my biggest disappointments. I have made no secret that I believe Taika Waititi has had two too many MCU directorial opportunities. Plus, I do not completely regret Oscar Isaac casting but it would not bother me if a horse kicked him in the head either.
The main thing I do like about the article is the possibility of not overtaxing the VFX crews. She-Hulk: Attorney at Law was a particular victim of overwork. One thing I do not like about the article is the possible pushback of X-Men '97. That series' return has been decades in the making. Similarly, I think a braking of the release schedule will further delay the introduction and reintegration of mutants into the MCU. Yep. Not happy with that prospect at all.
However, quality is paramount. It is a win if slowing down the assembly line betters the end-product. That said, improvement can also come about from getting better overseers of production. Permanently kicking Waititi to the curb would be a good start in my opinion (do not like that guy).
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In some ways, Waititi reminds me of James Gunn. In that both guys are creative, fun-loving people, who make light of otherwise heavy subject matter. That trait can be both good and bad. There need to be checks and balances and people involved to steer things back when they veer off course. I think the same thing happened with the Star Wars films where directors were given too much unchecked control over major characters and storylines and the results speak for themselves.
In Suicide Squad and Love & Thunder, both Gunn and Waititi showed me that they’ll take things too far if given free rein.
I don’t put much stock in claims of an X-Men ‘97 delay.
But they should certainly treat VFX better. It’s the lifeblood of all of these types of films. And not a place to get penny wise, pound foolish.
I think the bloom is off the rose for him, and I’d be surprised if he directed the next Thor film (if there is one). If he does, I expect a lot more front office involvement in tone and decision making. There needs to be balance.
I think Phase Four suffered from several issues:
- Uninspiring character choices featured
- Too much of a diversity focus
- Pandemic issues
- Overly aggressive output
- Lack of planning
- Lesser standards of quality control
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Finally sat down and compiled the villains listed at the above links, although I did remove a few for not being "evil" enough. Here is my Best Superhero Comic Book Movie Villain of All-Time list:
01. Thanos (Josh Brolin) Avengers: Infinity War
02. Joker (Heath Ledger) The Dark Knight
03. Killmonger (Michael B. Jordan) Black Panther
04. Green Goblin (Willem Dafoe) Spider-Man
05. General Zod (Michael Shannon) Man of Steel
06. Doomsday Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
07. Loki (Tom Hiddleston) Thor
08. Ultron (James Spader) Avengers: Age of Ultron
09. Hela (Cate Blanchett) Thor: Ragnarok
10. Magneto (Ian McKellen) X-Men
11. Joker (Joaquin Phoenix) Joker
12. The Winter Soldier (Sebastian Stan) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
13. Dr. Octopus (Alfred Molina) Spider-Man 2
14. Joker (Jack Nicholson) Batman
15. Mysterio (Jake Gyllenhaal) Spider-Man: Far From Home
16. Bane (Tom Hardy) The Dark Knight Rises
17. Vulture (Michael Keaton) Spider-Man: Homecoming
18. William Stryker (Brian Cox) X2: X-Men United
19. Two-Face (Aaron Eckhart) The Dark Knight
20. Lex Luthor (Gene Hackman) Superman
21. Lucifer Morningstar (Peter Stormare) Constantine
22. Catwoman (Michelle Pfeiffer) Batman Returns
23. Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) Superman Returns
24. Steppenwolf (Ciaran Hinds) Zack Snyder's Justice League
25. General Zod (Terence Stamp) Superman II
26. Enchantress (Cara Delevingne) Suicide Squad
27. Scarecrow (Cillian Murphy) Batman Begins
28. Joker (Jared Leto) Suicide Squad
29. Deacon Frost (Stephen Dorff) Blade
30. Mystique (Rebecca Romijn) X-Men
31. Obadiah Stane (Jeff Bridges) Iron Man
32. Ra's Al Ghul (Liam Neeson) Batman Begins
33. Ares (David Thewlis) Wonder Woman
34. Ocean Master (Patrick Wilson) Aquaman
35. The Penguin (Danny DeVito) Batman Returns
36. Black Manta (Yahya Abdul-Mateen III) Aquaman
37. Ulysses Klaue (Andy Serkis) Avengers: Age of Ultron
38. Lex Luthor (Jesse Eisenberg) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
39. Joker (Mark Hamill) Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
40. Syndrome (Jason Lee) The Incredibles
41. Talia al Ghul (Marion Cotillard) The Dark Knight Rises
42. Barbara Minerva (Kristin Wiig) Wonder Woman 1984
43. Mr. Freeze (Arnold Schwarzenegger) Batman & Robin
44. The Riddler (Jim Carrey) Batman Forever
45. Mr. Glass (Samuel L. Jackson) Unbreakable
46. Poison Ivy (Uma Thurman) Batman & Robin
47. Ozymandias (Thomas Goode) Watchmen
48. Two-Face (Tommy Lee Jones) Batman Forever
49. Dr. Sivana (Mark Strong) Shazam!
50. Erich Ludendorff (Danny Huston) Wonder Woman
51. Black Mask (Ewan McGregor) Birds of Prey: And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn
52. Helmut Zemo (Daniel Bruhl) Captain America: Civil War
53. Maxwell Lord (Pedro Pascal) Wonder Woman 1984
54. Hector Hammond (Peter Sarsgaard) Green Lantern
55. Lauren Hedare (Sharon Stone) Catwoman
56. Parallax Green Lantern
57. Victor Zsasz (Chris Messina) Birds of Prey: And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn
58. Doctor Poison (Elena Anaya) Wonder Woman
59. Prowler (Mahershala Ali) Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
60. Bane (Jeep Swenson) Batman & Robin
61. Max Shreck (Christopher Walken) Batman Returns
62. Quentin Turnbull (John Malkovich) Jonah Hex
63. Royal Pain (Mary Elizabeth Winstead) Sky High
64. Selena (Faye Dunaway) Supergirl
65. Ross Webster (Robert Vaughn) Superman III
66. Dr. Anton Arcane (Louis Jordan) Swamp Thing
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I think I'd swap #57 and #58, but other that.........How much time do you have on your hands??? Are you in prison or something??
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I think I'd swap #57 and #58, but other that.........How much time do you have on your hands??? Are you in prison or something??
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It is a prison of the mind.I think I'd swap #57 and #58, but other that.........How much time do you have on your hands??? Are you in prison or something??
I will not lie. It took me about 50 minutes. Threw the choices from all four links into a spreadsheet. Removing some I did not feel were "evil" enough, like Michael Fassbender as Magneto. Then starting with number 66, matching the worse of the list, and going from there.Picks 20 through 66 were the hardest, easily taking about 25 minutes. Heck. It took 26 spots for me to take Syndrome out of the running, an animated movie villain.
It took me less than two minutes to choose 1-19.I do thank @quickccc for the idea though. It was a waste of time but entertainingly so.
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It is a prison of the mind.
Picks 20 through 66 were the hardest, easily taking about 25 minutes. Heck. It took 26 spots for me to take Syndrome out of the running, an animated movie villain.
I do thank @quickccc for the idea though. It was a waste of time but entertainingly so.
The thing about some really compelling, interesting villains is that they don't always appear evil enough. They're complex people with understandable goals that they choose the wrong methods to achieve. That's why I enjoyed Fassbender's Magneto. He wasn't just some "oh look, I'm doing this stuff for the sake of evil" kind of villain. It could show that even a good person could be shaped into making the wrong choices by life experiences.
That's like Killmonger, which is third on your list. Or General Zod, who was fighting for his people. Right idea, wrong methods.
Compare that to Thanos (Which I agree is one of the best.) He's obviously insane, but does have a good goal of trying to save the universe (in his own way). However, rather than just use the gauntlet to create more resources and enact lower fertility rates, he straight up murdered half the population. The later fan theory that he was an Eternal gone wrong and his programming screwed up and wiping out half of life to slow Celestial's from birthing out of planets makes more sense than his actual shown plan....but with the gauntlet he could have wiped out the baby Celestials.
There are more examples in your list, so I'm not sure why you differentiated "evil enough" because a huge percentage of your list..their actions made sense from their point of view. Same with Fassbender's Magneto. Here's a good write-up in his own words:
https://screenrant.com/x-men-apocalypse-magneto-michael-fassbender-ian-mckellen/
Throw in the Winter Soldier, who was brainwashed. He wasn't "evil." He was programmed.
Other than that, it's a good list, but "evil enough" shouldn't really be a factor as to who is on it.
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Even Thanos thought he was doing the right thing.The thing about some really compelling, interesting villains is that they don't always appear evil enough. They're complex people with understandable goals that they choose the wrong methods to achieve. That's why I enjoyed Fassbender's Magneto. He wasn't just some "oh look, I'm doing this stuff for the sake of evil" kind of villain. It could show that even a good person could be shaped into making the wrong choices by life experiences.
That's like Killmonger, which is third on your list. Or General Zod, who was fighting for his people. Right idea, wrong methods.
Compare that to Thanos (Which I agree is one of the best.) He's obviously insane, but does have a good goal of trying to save the universe (in his own way). However, rather than just use the gauntlet to create more resources and enact lower fertility rates, he straight up murdered half the population. The later fan theory that he was an Eternal gone wrong and his programming screwed up and wiping out half of life to slow Celestial's from birthing out of planets makes more sense than his actual shown plan....but with the gauntlet he could have wiped out the baby Celestials.
There are more examples in your list, so I'm not sure why you differentiated "evil enough" because a huge percentage of your list..their actions made sense from their point of view. Same with Fassbender's Magneto. Here's a good write-up in his own words:
https://screenrant.com/x-men-apocalypse-magneto-michael-fassbender-ian-mckellen/
Throw in the Winter Soldier, who was brainwashed. He wasn't "evil." He was programmed.
Other than that, it's a good list, but "evil enough" shouldn't really be a factor as to who is on it.
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It is my fault. I was shooting for something more all-encompassing and generic instead of literal while typing the word evil, although I did shortsightedly put in within quotation marks.The thing about some really compelling, interesting villains is that they don't always appear evil enough. They're complex people with understandable goals that they choose the wrong methods to achieve. That's why I enjoyed Fassbender's Magneto. He wasn't just some "oh look, I'm doing this stuff for the sake of evil" kind of villain. It could show that even a good person could be shaped into making the wrong choices by life experiences.
That's like Killmonger, which is third on your list. Or General Zod, who was fighting for his people. Right idea, wrong methods.
Compare that to Thanos (Which I agree is one of the best.) He's obviously insane, but does have a good goal of trying to save the universe (in his own way). However, rather than just use the gauntlet to create more resources and enact lower fertility rates, he straight up murdered half the population. The later fan theory that he was an Eternal gone wrong and his programming screwed up and wiping out half of life to slow Celestial's from birthing out of planets makes more sense than his actual shown plan....but with the gauntlet he could have wiped out the baby Celestials.
There are more examples in your list, so I'm not sure why you differentiated "evil enough" because a huge percentage of your list..their actions made sense from their point of view. Same with Fassbender's Magneto. Here's a good write-up in his own words:
https://screenrant.com/x-men-apocalypse-magneto-michael-fassbender-ian-mckellen/
Throw in the Winter Soldier, who was brainwashed. He wasn't "evil." He was programmed.
Other than that, it's a good list, but "evil enough" shouldn't really be a factor as to who is on it.
My thinking aligned somewhat with the villains' categorization in @quickccc's Top 25 Superhero Movie Villains of All Time link:
Instead of supplying more detail and explaining what various intricacies of villainy meant to me, I was brief and lumped everything (and them) as "evil." Even my example of Fassbender's Magneto lacked details, although my reasoning for excluding him and a handful of others was related to reasons you and the article you quoted gave. My bad.
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The thing about some really compelling, interesting villains is that they don't always appear evil enough. They're complex people with understandable goals that they choose the wrong methods to achieve. That's why I enjoyed Fassbender's Magneto. He wasn't just some "oh look, I'm doing this stuff for the sake of evil" kind of villain. It could show that even a good person could be shaped into making the wrong choices by life experiences.
That's like Killmonger, which is third on your list. Or General Zod, who was fighting for his people. Right idea, wrong methods.
Compare that to Thanos (Which I agree is one of the best.) He's obviously insane, but does have a good goal of trying to save the universe (in his own way). However, rather than just use the gauntlet to create more resources and enact lower fertility rates, he straight up murdered half the population. The later fan theory that he was an Eternal gone wrong and his programming screwed up and wiping out half of life to slow Celestial's from birthing out of planets makes more sense than his actual shown plan....but with the gauntlet he could have wiped out the baby Celestials.
There are more examples in your list, so I'm not sure why you differentiated "evil enough" because a huge percentage of your list..their actions made sense from their point of view. Same with Fassbender's Magneto. Here's a good write-up in his own words:
https://screenrant.com/x-men-apocalypse-magneto-michael-fassbender-ian-mckellen/
Throw in the Winter Soldier, who was brainwashed. He wasn't "evil." He was programmed.
Other than that, it's a good list, but "evil enough" shouldn't really be a factor as to who is on it.
It is a prison of the mind.
Picks 20 through 66 were the hardest, easily taking about 25 minutes. Heck. It took 26 spots for me to take Syndrome out of the running, an animated movie villain.
I do thank @quickccc for the idea though. It was a waste of time but entertainingly so.
I found the Magneto exclusion interesting too.
I too echo that I dunno if villains have to categorized tagged as 'evil ‘
Could I be "guessing' with @DallasEast that since the Magneto's has allied with Xmen-Superheroes' ..that would take Maggy out of the villain list ?
Because despite his intent and commitment to preserve his own mutant kind, Magneto actually killed and took human lives.
Whether spiritually possessed, mental insane, artificial intelligence mind possession, or forced to break the law to save loved ones, there’s lay the facts, that bad deeds, broken laws
were committed, this makes those in person "villains."
As @nobody made mentioned, Winter Soldier’s general nature was not ‘evil’ as he was being brain-washed.
- Ditto with Dr. Octopus,
whose mind was taken over by his tenacles.
Goblin gas made Norman Osborn " insane' but fact remains his insanity led him to be a murderer.
like a natural disaster ala Hurricane, Tornado, etc.
- The Punisher ? He acts to protect society .from the bad guys who he is assumes will
- Wanda, Scarlet Witch (per Dr,Strange Multitude Madness) meant to
"save' her own kids, even if it meant "sacrifice-killing" another human being (ala American Chavez)
- BTW, since i flat out hated how director Sam Raimi portrayed the Sandman
to be a good man led to forced crimes, including "accidentally" killing Uncle Ben
bother to mentioned him in my own Villain list.
- Venom ? i just thought he was too "cartoonish ' becoming, and from Sam Raimi's version to the awful Venom -Tom Hardy's movies, i just never took Venom serious or
memorable enjoyable.
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