Coming around to the idea of keeping the coaching staff as is

[Boys122]

I popped your likes cherry.

You know what to do.

insert cool :lol smiley here.

 

[Wheeltax]

I'm as ready to see change as anyone, but I think the problem comes down to the talent more than it does the coaches. I simply do not buy that Kiffin suddenly forgot how to scheme a defense or coach players. The offense has been solid. If it came down to rotating out our core players and replacing them or rotating out the coaches and replacing them, I take the player change. Bottom line is that in order to be successful in any way other than a lightning-in-a-bottle horseshoe-in-rear-end kind of way, the Cowboys need a different guy picking talent and managing their contracts, IMHO.

 

[theebs]

I'm as ready to see change as anyone, but I think the problem comes down to the talent more than it does the coaches. I simply do not buy that Kiffin suddenly forgot how to scheme a defense or coach players. The offense has been solid. If it came down to rotating out our core players and replacing them or rotating out the coaches and replacing them, I take the player change. Bottom line is that in order to be successful in any way other than a lightning-in-a-bottle horseshoe-in-rear-end kind of way, the Cowboys need a different guy picking talent and managing their contracts, IMHO.

I will never understand why in the world we couldn't play a dime defense?

 

[MikeT22]

Your definition of failure is obviously different than mine, but at least you have a list replacements.

8-8, 8-8 and 8-8 is far from a success.

 

[rpntex]

Don't you find it funny that this was conveniently leaked to the media after Ryan's dismissal? Ryan's defense did look confused at times but they look pretty organized in NO. By the way, it was a lot of fingers being pointed at each other after big plays in the secondary this year also.

No, I thought Ryan's defense looked confused and disorganized well before he was let go. I wasn't alone either. Anyone who needed the media to point out---after the season---the number of times Dallas had too few or too many players on the field. Also, the only game this year where the defense looked disorganized was Detroit, and even then it was on the last drive (specifically, Jakarta Hamilton being lined up too far inside on the big pass to Durham). The 2013 defense wasn't disorganized---they just couldn't execute.

 

[rpntex]

Don't you find it funny that the 'disarray' did not follow him to New Orleans, where he turned scraps into a top defensive unit?

Not unusual for a coach to learn from his mistakes. Nobody's ever said he wasn't smart.

 

[Nightman]

8-8, 8-8 and 8-8 is far from a success.

You called him a proven failure. I'd say 29-27 is pretty decent for a first time Head Coach. I like the direction and make-up of the team. Too many long time Cowboys remain under the delusion that we are owed more because of successes in the past. I'd say the late 90's and early 00's were a failure.

 

[jnday]

I'm as ready to see change as anyone, but I think the problem comes down to the talent more than it does the coaches. I simply do not buy that Kiffin suddenly forgot how to scheme a defense or coach players. The offense has been solid. If it came down to rotating out our core players and replacing them or rotating out the coaches and replacing them, I take the player change. Bottom line is that in order to be successful in any way other than a lightning-in-a-bottle horseshoe-in-rear-end kind of way, the Cowboys need a different guy picking talent and managing their contracts, IMHO.

This wasn't the first year that Kiffin has had problems. His decline has been going on for years. He can still coach what he knows, but the problem is opposing OCs has learned how to beat his scheme and the way in which he runs it. It was even a failure in college.

 

[jnday]

Not unusual for a coach to learn from his mistakes. Nobody's ever said he wasn't smart.

Kiffin was brought in due to his simple system. This tells me that the players in Dallas was dumb and couldn't run Rob's scheme.

 

[birdwells1]

No, I thought Ryan's defense looked confused and disorganized well before he was let go. I wasn't alone either. Anyone who needed the media to point out---after the season---the number of times Dallas had too few or too many players on the field. Also, the only game this year where the defense looked disorganized was Detroit, and even then it was on the last drive (specifically, Jakarta Hamilton being lined up too far inside on the big pass to Durham). The 2013 defense wasn't disorganized---they just couldn't execute.

Surely in his first year in NO, he was disorganized to right? Or could it be with the "injury excuse" everyone's using this year, Ryan had new inexperienced players playing significant time.

 

[noshame]

As Yoda said, Jason, you must finish the training.

As injury prone as we seem to be, the more simple the scheme, the better.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Sadly, this appears to be the expectation for most.

I truly want Garrett to do well (since I was one of his most adamant defenders when he was hired) but I don't see him adapting his process to allow for enough growth from his staff and players to be successful this fall. I think he wants to fail or succeed his way. We'll see.

This may sound like I'm rootin for failure but I'm not. I really do hope Garrett proves almost all of us wrong and becomes a great coach overnight.

In regards to the coaching staff I was all for firing everyone at the end of the season even if Garrett is staying. Now I'm leaning more towards just letting Garrett have to same staff as the year prior so the blame cannot be "it's a new system" anymore.

My theory is they will crash and burn next year or at best be mediocre once again and they will clear out the entire staff hire a HC who can then choose his own staff. This year is more of an expected failure but if it works then Jerry gets the credit

I was a big Garrett HC fan too. No more. He has shown little to no improvement.
He looks arrogant and confident most of the time(and I don't mind it, actually like it) but he CANNOT "walk the walk".

As far as keeping current staff. No.

Here's why? When your defensive coordinator says, "I don't what to do" or "I don't know what else to try" regarding defense(I am paraphrasing I think).

That ship has too many holes and WILL sink! ("I assure you sir, she is full of crap, she will sink" --titanic)

 

[Zekeats]

And it will all be too late, and the window will have closed on the Romo, Witten, Ware era.......way to go JJ

 

[Stash]

Not unusual for a coach to learn from his mistakes. Nobody's ever said he wasn't smart.

Why is it that nobody learns while they're here?

 

[Risen Star]

Sounds like a plan. Keep everything the same especially Jerry, Stephen and Spaulding picking the players with an assist from charlotte and the same staff. These results are fabulous.
http://i8.***BLOCKED***/albums/a46/Theebs/Cowboys-Postgame-Show-2013-_zps9b0f48c3.jpg

Jerry hears you and will give himself a stern talking to.

 

[Stash]

This wasn't the first year that Kiffin has had problems. His decline has been going on for years. He can still coach what he knows, but the problem is opposing OCs has learned how to beat his scheme and the way in which he runs it. It was even a failure in college.

Exactly right.

The game continues to evolve.

The Tampa 2 is now the 'Basic Math' of NFL defense.

 

[Stash]

Surely in his first year in NO, he was disorganized to right? Or could it be with the "injury excuse" everyone's using this year, Ryan had new inexperienced players playing significant time.

No, Ryan doesn't get the injury excuse.

Garrett's called 'dibs' on that!

 

[Risen Star]

You called him a proven failure. I'd say 29-27 is pretty decent for a first time Head Coach. I like the direction and make-up of the team. Too many long time Cowboys remain under the delusion that we are owed more because of successes in the past. I'd say the late 90's and early 00's were a failure.

I've seen this rallying cry from the Rowdys a lot lately.

What any fan of any team is owed is his team making every effort to win. The Cowboys don't do that. Priority #1 is Jerry's ego. If we can win while appeasing that, bonus. We are set up to fail and left to hope we can overcome. That is an injustice to your fan base.

And the notion that Cowboys fans should lower their acceptance bar and be happy we're not the worst. well you might as well lay the Dallas Cowboys to rest at that point. They would be dead.

 

[visionary]

Sounds like a plan. Keep everything the same especially Jerry, Stephen and Spaulding picking the players with an assist from charlotte and the same staff. These results are fabulous.
http://i8.***BLOCKED***/albums/a46/Theebs/Cowboys-Postgame-Show-2013-_zps9b0f48c3.jpg

jerry knows this stat (insert "jerry listens to fans" here)
that is why he is trying to get a couple of sub .500 teams into the playoffs so we can have a punchers chance

 

[visionary]

I've seen this rallying cry from the Rowdys a lot lately.

What any fan of any team is owed is his team making every effort to win. The Cowboys don't do that. Priority #1 is Jerry's ego. If we can win while appeasing that, bonus. We are set up to fail and left to hope we can overcome. That is an injustice to your fan base.

And the notion that Cowboys fans should lower their acceptance bar and be happy we're not the worst. well you might as well lay the Dallas Cowboys to rest at that point. They would be dead.

that post deserved a like

however, i think priority number 1 is money and number 2 is ego
case in point, jerry was willing to put his ego aside and bring in BP to get his cash cow (the stadium) built