Commanders... a mammoth disaster in the making

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Sonny#9;2143891 said:
Absolutely not -- anyone who is banking on "well, we made the playoffs last year" is fooling themselves.



I don't think the defense is going to change too much. Blanche is no slouch, and the personnel is the same. McIntosh is getting healthy, and should be ready by camp. He was a playing very, very well when he went down. I do not like the way they handled Williams though. I thought he was treated poorly. Same system, with the same players.

Zorn however is a MAJOR X factor. I cannot get a grasp on him. I think he has the football knowledge (and Adam Schein doesn't like him, so that gives me hope :)). But then he has gaffes like "maroon, yellow and black"




I agree -- we could be in for a long year, we could surprise the hell out of a lot of people. I think one of the facts that gets ignored is six starters were out for an extended period. Getting Randy Thomas back helps. He is our best lineman. I'd love to sit here and say with any amount of confidence that we're going to win 10 games. But I can't. I can't even say with confidence that we are going to win 8. We'll definitely win more then 6...I think.

We'll see. I cannot for the life of me get a grip on this team. I like what they did in the draft for the most part, except maybe passing on Calais Campbell for Fred Davis. But we'll see how that plays out.

Camp is right around the corner, and we'll have something more then speculation to discuss!
Thank you for responding since he wouldn't.

I was shocked when you passed on Calais Campbell. Even moreso when you grabbed a TE.
 

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Star4Ever;2142564 said:
Let's just put this to rest. Barring catastrophoic injuries to several NFC teams, the Skins WILL NOT make the playoffs this year. They're simply not good enough. Every team in the East is more talented. Minnesota, Green Bay, Seattle, Carolina (with a healthy QB), New Orleans, and maybe even Tampa Bay are also more talented than the Skins. They simply won't make the playoffs. Period.


I dont believe that at all.

I think all 4 nfc east teams are good enough to win the division and/or make the playoffs.

Tampa bay and Carolina are no where near as talented as Washington. Not even close.

Lot of talk about minnesota. When push comes to shove this season I am starting to wonder if the vikings will get shoved.

I personally think green bay is a wild card because of rogers. there is alot going on there right now. I think rodgers can play and I think he will thrive in that offense, now it will just be a matter of surviving the looming media at every turn. Will that secondary hold up?

I see the 4 nfc east teams and Seattle as the best teams in the nfc. As always happens one of the east teams will slip. Which one I have no idea.

The Commanders schedule looks to me like it will allow them to win a bunch of games. Just like last year when they were rolling along with Campbell, a good player who is getting bagged on all the time on this site and I dont understand why.

The east will be crazy. I expect the eagles to be playing at a very high level from the start this year. that worries me. I expect the Commanders to play well with an offense where the ball will come out quicker and the offensive line being healthy. And obviously the giants have all the tools to win the whole thing again. Same with us. the east is going to be crazy. I just hope it doesnt benefit seattle too much.
 

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Hostile;2143957 said:
Thank you for responding since he wouldn't.

I was shocked when you passed on Calais Campbell. Even moreso when you grabbed a TE.

While I applaud the idea of BPA and the Skins trying to take a different approach concerning the draft -- I don't understand passing on Campbell. I just hope he is the next Alan Branch.
 

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theebs;2143987 said:
I dont believe that at all.

I think all 4 nfc east teams are good enough to win the division and/or make the playoffs.

Tampa bay and Carolina are no where near as talented as Washington. Not even close.

Lot of talk about minnesota. When push comes to shove this season I am starting to wonder if the vikings will get shoved.

I personally think green bay is a wild card because of rogers. there is alot going on there right now. I think rodgers can play and I think he will thrive in that offense, now it will just be a matter of surviving the looming media at every turn. Will that secondary hold up?

I see the 4 nfc east teams and Seattle as the best teams in the nfc. As always happens one of the east teams will slip. Which one I have no idea.

The Commanders schedule looks to me like it will allow them to win a bunch of games. Just like last year when they were rolling along with Campbell, a good player who is getting bagged on all the time on this site and I dont understand why.

The east will be crazy. I expect the eagles to be playing at a very high level from the start this year. that worries me. I expect the Commanders to play well with an offense where the ball will come out quicker and the offensive line being healthy. And obviously the giants have all the tools to win the whole thing again. Same with us. the east is going to be crazy. I just hope it doesnt benefit seattle too much.

Just my opinion. I think the Skins rode a wave of emotion last year and it took them to the playoffs. They now have a headcoach that has never even been a coordinator, along with new offensive and defensive coordinators. Their D line is very poor, their O line is injury-prone and aging, their QB is average at best, their secondary is average, and they're banking on two rookie WRs to make a difference. Pretty much anyone that follows the NFL knows that WRs almost never make an impact in their rookie year, especially those that fell to the second round of the draft (every team in the league passed on them for some reason). Their the 4th best team in the East and that won't get you in the playoffs, again, barring severe injuries for several teams.
 

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"I see the 4 nfc east teams and Seattle as the best teams in the nfc. As always happens one of the east teams will slip. Which one I have no idea".

Let me help you with this one. It's the team that wears burgundy and gold. Mark it down. :suxskins:
 

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Hostile;2143957 said:
Thank you for responding since he wouldn't.

I didn't respond because I didn't disagree with those points, I responded to the point I disagreed with.

I'm pretty sure everybody and their mothers have the division playing out something like this:

Cowboys
Giants
Eagles
Commanders

That would be the obvious pick.
 

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AmishGangsta;2144431 said:
I didn't respond because I didn't disagree with those points.

I'm pretty sure everybody and their mothers have the division playing out something like this:

Cowboys
Giants
Eagles
Commanders

That would be the obvious pick.

We talking Fantasy Football or the real thing?
 

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AmishGangsta;2144431 said:
I didn't respond because I didn't disagree with those points, I responded to the point I disagreed with.

I'm pretty sure everybody and their mothers have the division playing out something like this:

Cowboys
Giants
Eagles
Commanders

That would be the obvious pick.
My post that he quoted wasn't directed to you either, it was Green28. You aren't guilty either.
 

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With character guys like this, I feel pretty good about the future of the Commanders :)

http://www.emediaworld.com/press_release/release_detail.php?id=98555

Garden Valley, TX (eMediaWorld ) July 12, 2008 -- Recently returned from a week-long international humanitarian mission to support Mercy Ships, his charity of choice, Malcolm Kelly looks forward to his upcoming NFL training camp with an additional sense of purpose knowing that he's part of a much larger team as well.

Malcolm Kelly in front of the hospital ship Africa Mercy during his recent trip to Liberia to see first hand the work of Mercy Ships.
Malcolm Kelly in front of the hospital ship Africa Mercy during his recent trip to Liberia to see first hand the work of Mercy Ships.

The former standout receiver at the University of Oklahoma and 2nd Round draft pick of the Washington Commanders made the "Vision Trip" to Monrovia, Liberia as a way to shed light on the medical relief effort Mercy Ships has provided for the last four years to the people of the war-torn nation.

A highlight of the trip came as Malcolm and his father Moses Kelly were received by Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, who personally thanked Malcolm for providing a positive role model for young people in Liberia.

"More than anything, our youth need someone to look up to who has excelled, not only in athletics, but in life. Understanding the importance of discipline, work-ethic and education, as well as nutrition and physical well-being is critical in our efforts to rebuild Liberia," noted President Sirleaf.

"Malcolm's willingness to come here to Liberia, a nation founded by freed American slaves, builds on the natural kinship between Americans and Liberians. Having a young African-American athlete who has achieved so much in life at such a young age reach out to our young people in this way is priceless. We need more of that. Our young people need that kind of encouragement at this critical time in our nation's history," Sirleaf stated.

Kelly was obviously moved by his experience in Liberia. "Everywhere we went, people ran up to me to shake my hand and hug me, saying 'Thank you! Thank you!' I was a hero, but not because I'm a football player; it was because I was wearing a Mercy Ships Crew shirt. I don't think I've ever been more humbled and honored than to be considered a part of the Mercy Ships team," he said.

Kelly stayed onboard the Africa Mercy during the trip, observing surgeries, and visiting with dozens of patients on the recovery wards. The group also visited a clinic under construction by a Mercy Ships Field Service Team some 20 miles inland in the rural community of Tenegar.

While also in Liberia, Kelly met with officials from the Ministry of Youth and Sports and Liberian Olympic Committee. Liberia's educational and sports initiatives were sidelined during the 14-year civil war and the nation struggles to make improvements to even the most basic health and living standards.

The 21-year-old rookie brought along his personal trainer, world-renowned sports performance coach Chip Smith from Competitive Edge Sports, based in Atlanta, Georgia. In addition to ensuring Malcolm's readiness for Commanders Training Camp, which begins July 20th, Smith held sessions for 35 Liberian coaches and athletes including members of the Olympic Team and Committee at the invitation of the National Minister of Youth and Sports. "Train the Trainer" sessions were held at the National Sports Complex which included teaching on sports theory and workout demonstrations and exercises.

"Chip has trained more professional athletes with this system than anyone else in the world," stated Kelly as he addressed the Liberian assembly of athletes and coaches before one of his workouts. "We are leaving the system and training equipment here for you as my gift, along with my promise that I will be back with other athletes to help encourage you to stay focused and keep working to fulfill your dreams."

In response, one Liberian Olympian spoke on behalf of his nation by saying, "We share the same history, the same ancestry, the same dreams and aspirations. Today, you leave this incredible tool with us. Tomorrow, when you go back to the NFL, you take a piece of our hearts. You are now our brother." The Liberians presented Kelly and Smith with Lone Star jerseys from the National Soccer Team and colorful traditional African clothing.

Kelly named Mercy Ships as his charity of choice earlier in 2008 soon after declaring himself eligible for the 2008 NFL Draft. Mercy Ships International Operations Center is located only 25 miles from Kelly's hometown of Longview, Texas.

Mercy Ships has operated hospital ships in developing nations since 1978 bringing hope and healing to the forgotten poor by mobilizing people and resources worldwide. A crew of both professional medical and non-medical volunteers serves all people without regard for race, gender, or religion. The Mercy Ships Crew are expected to perform more than 7000 medical procedures during their 2008 field service in Liberia.

For more information about this trip or to schedule an interview with Malcolm Kelly, contact:

Pauline Rick, US Media Liaison
Mercy Ships
Tel: (903) 939-7649
rickp @ mercyships.org
www.mercyships.org
 

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Hostile;2143957 said:
Thank you for responding since he wouldn't.

I was shocked when you passed on Calais Campbell. Even moreso when you grabbed a TE.

Are you serious? Calais Campbell? I watched plenty of the kid when he was at Miami, classic classic underachiever. When guys like Ed Wang (Virginia Tech right tackle this year) and Brandon Frye (RT in 2006) handled him quite easily, well thats all I needed to know about CC.

All sorts of talent, no drive or motivation, relies on the fact that he is bigger then everyone else. No technique. Would have been a wasted pick

What has been the problem in DC this decade? Not the defense thats for damn sure, but the ability to put up points, in particular in the red zone. Whats funny is everyone around the NFL has the dumbest view of the Commanders, they COULD NOT SCORE POINTS IN THE RED ZONE (for example our game in November). The defense has been fine, the d-line is in good shape (no super studs, but they won't get pushed around). Again, the offense COULD NOT SCORE POINTS IN THE RED ZONE, and drafting a Calais Campbell underachiever would have done nothing to solve that problem
 

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Hostile;2143957 said:
Thank you for responding since he wouldn't.

I was shocked when you passed on Calais Campbell. Even moreso when you grabbed a TE.

SkinsHokieFan;2144733 said:
Whats funny is everyone around the NFL has the dumbest view of the Commanders, they COULD NOT SCORE POINTS IN THE RED ZONE

That is the one thing that helped swallow that pill: Davis and Cooley with some combination of Kelly/Thomas/Mix gives the Commanders a lot of very large targets in the Red Zone. One of their MAJOR weaknesses.

However, I would not have been against the pick of Campbell there either. Perhaps at DT (a 6'9" DT would have been intriguing)...
 
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