Commanders lose 41-0!

[dargonking999]

dragonking999,its a beautiful thing that your starters are doing well in preseason play thus far...im glad you take this seriously..I chose to wait till it counts to pass judgement...all you cowboy fans party up this preseason,this one is for you:beer1:

lol, i wont even begin to argue wit you.I'll just call the cops so they can come bust you for your herb smokin, and then later on you wont even remember this

 

[adbutcher]

cowboy fans,dont read to much into the preseason..I realize you guys enjoy seeing the Commanders struggle,and we are struggling in all 3 phases of the game..you would be foolish to think the Commanders are that bad,and on the flip side you would be misleading yourselves if you think your team is really that good,based on how they have been playing in preseason...Trust me the Commanders are not that bad,when it starts for real the real team will show up for the Commanders and cowboys..until then, enjoy your preseason showing!!!

How come when I read your post the first thing comes to mind is a 6 year old falling down and quickly getting up in front of his friends and saying, "That didn't hurt".

Au contraire mon ami, I don't think the skins can turn it on at the start of the regular season and I won't be surprise to see them finish last in the division. Time is ticking and one of us will be proven right sooner rather then later.

In the mean time take this with you. :dissskin:

 

[Bizwah]

I've heard the battle cry of the Commanders, "VANILLA".

In watching our games though, I'm seeing the exact same thing. We're not doing anything exotic offensively or defensively. We're lining up and playing.

So, in running our "vanilla" offense and defense, we're still playing well.

And it's not as if the Skins are going to totally surprise the NFL by running completely new plays when the bullets are real. Naturally, they're running the same routes, blocking schemes, and running plays that they will in the regular season.

 

[DallasCowboysRule!]

I used to be in a very talented marching band and the saying we would always use is "How you practice is how you perform." It's crazy how true that statement is. These games are basically practice for the regular season. The Cowboys have looked good in the pre-season so far so I'm excited about the upcoming season. I don't think that's wrong is it? The Commanders have looked terrible so I think that there are some concerns on that team that need to be adressed. And I don't want to hear that junk about Gibbs losing intentionally and 2% of the offense and vanilla schemes. The purpose of a pre-season game is to evaluate your team. Your telling me that Gibbs is giving up four opportunities to evaluate his team in a game situation to play possum and get em later? That's just ridiculous.

 

[cowboygolfer]

I don't mean to pile on here Skins fans but why did you bring this up again? I mean who are you trying to convince?

We know it is pre-season and we know just how much value there is in it, let me ask you this would you rather have had the showing thus far the Cowboys have had or the showing the Commanders have had. I think it is pretty obvious.

The Cowboys have executed on Offense and Defense in 3 pre-season games, the Commanders have been dominated on Offense and Defense in 3 pre-season games.

I don't think this puts us in the Superbowl but I like where it puts us better than where it puts you.

See ya soon.

 

[DLCassidy]

I think the skins are a lot better than they've shown. Of course they've shown absolutely nothing.

 

[theogt]

I think the skins are a lot better than they've shown. Of course they've shown absolutely nothing.

Heh...there's no where to go but up.

 

[WoodysGirl]

So if I had to choose which kind of ice cream I wanted this preseason, would it be:

Commanders vanilla

or

Dallas Vanilla

 

[theogt]

That was good.

 

[WoodysGirl]

That was good.

I couldn't find a bowl of melted vanilla...

 

[koolaid]

:laugh2:


the boys are rolling

the skins are couldnt block dat dude right now

im loving it

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

:laugh2: :laugh1:

 

[adbutcher]

I've heard the battle cry of the Commanders, "VANILLA".

In watching our games though, I'm seeing the exact same thing. We're not doing anything exotic offensively or defensively. We're lining up and playing.

So, in running our "vanilla" offense and defense, we're still playing well.

And it's not as if the Skins are going to totally surprise the NFL by running completely new plays when the bullets are real. Naturally, they're running the same routes, blocking schemes, and running plays that they will in the regular season.

Add to the fact that we are running the ball approx. 80% of the time on first downs.

The Tuna is running primarily iso(s) and leads with the intent to evaluate the offensive line and rb(s) in game like situations and so far they are passing the test. You can practice interior stuff in practice but against different players and formations that you are not accustomed to is a whole another dimension. Parcells has said it many times that he wants to see what the players has learned that is why during teams he isolates the position coaches away from the players.

On the other hand the few glimpses of what I saw of the skinz, Greg Williams looks like a coach trying to win instead of evaluate. I hope for the skinz sake that he has some blitzes left in the bank because at his rate the whole table will know what he is holding.

 

[adbutcher]

So if I had to choose which kind of ice cream I wanted this preseason, would it be:

Commanders vanilla

or

Dallas Vanilla

:laugh2:

 

[ghst187]

cowboy fans,dont read to much into the preseason..I realize you guys enjoy seeing the Commanders struggle,and we are struggling in all 3 phases of the game..you would be foolish to think the Commanders are that bad,and on the flip side you would be misleading yourselves if you think your team is really that good,based on how they have been playing in preseason...Trust me the Commanders are not that bad,when it starts for real the real team will show up for the Commanders and cowboys..until then, enjoy your preseason showing!!!

I agree that you're not as bad as you've been in preseason thus far and that we're not as good as we've been in preseason thus far.

However....
1) I've said all along that although Saunders is obviously a great offensive coach, its unreasonable to expect him to come into some place and have instant success. It took him years in KC to find success which included finding and grooming the right kind of players for the system.

2) You've also been without Clinton Portis which is the centerpiece of your offense. That hasn't helped. He's an outstanding player and critical to the offense. Of course, his injury is one of those than can seriously and easily plague a RB an entire season, esp since CP's style will only encourage big hits on that shoulder. CP's health is going to go a LONG way in determining the success of the skin's season. Your backups pose very little threat. They can get some yards, esp behind your OL, but they aren't homerun threats. And they're certainly not guys you consider stacking 8 in the box to stop. Not even Duckett. Or else Atl would not have let him go.

3) Your QB is cause for serious concern. While I've certainly not been one to bash Brunnel as he really found some magic last year and throws a really accurate ball still, his shelf life very well could be expiring. Behind him are Todd Collins....who knows the system well but can't execute it because he has no real talent or ability and Jason Campbell...who is still VERY green to say the least. Maybe he can make most of the throws, maybe not. But one thing is for certain at this point....he's at least another year out from being able to make the reads. And if CP isn't healthy providing a real running threat, Campbell will fail miserably. Teams will drop 7 into coverage or blitz and he will be a deer in headlights probably worse than Ramsey was.

4) Your normally OUTSTANDING defense has looked pretty poor so far. I know its preseason, but they've been getting abused. I really don't think Springs is going to play a lot this year and if he does its not going to be 100% or he's going to get reinjured. That is a horrible injury for a DB. Also, I think your defense is a lot like ours was in '03 (or '04 whichever it was) where we looked a lot better than we really were because of smoke and mirrors. I still don't think you have an effective passrusher than can consistently beat people one on one. I don't think Archuleta can cover that well. I also think that if the offense carries its stench into the regular season it won't matter how good the defense is because its going to be left on the field for about 45 minutes a game.

As for us....
1) Our OL hasn't faced the bigtime passrushers yet or the blitzes like they'll see from our NFC east foes. Those will be a LOT tougher than the garbage Aint's or 69er DLs.

2) We've played well on offense without the best WR in the game, TO, and our #3, who's also pretty darned good when healthy. Also, we haven't hardly used Witten, one of the top TE's in the game, this preseason yet. Granted our success has been against the worst the NFL has to offer but at least there seems to be some spark there. We can only possibly be better with TO and Crayton. And more importantly, our running game can ONLY be better with TO and Crayton.

3) Our defense is BIG and FAST. We've cut one, and will probably cut one or two more, defensive players that could (and perhaps will) start for lesser teams. We're deep. While we've yet to throw a blitz at anyone, we've generated a decent passrush and stoned people running at us. Our DBs have locked everyone down. Granted it was against the worst in the NFL, but that's what good defenses should be doing against crummy offenses...shutting them out...and our first team D has done mostly that. What we can say about our defense is that its obviously MUCH better than it was last year and MUCH deeper. That we KNOW. We THINK, based on preseason, is that it has the potential to be something very special. But we shall see in a few weeks. They do seem to be coming together quite well.

Bottom line, I'd much prefer to see some spark against crap teams than no spark against good teams. And while I certainly still view our coming games against the skins as brutally tough ones, I think we can safely say, based on preseason, that you guys have more problems than we thought you did and we have fewer problems than we originally thought.
I definitely expect the Skins to show up a different team come opening day, but I think there are some problems that most didn't anticipate.

 

[Waffle]

So if I had to choose which kind of ice cream I wanted this preseason, would it be:

Commanders vanilla

or

Dallas Vanilla

Commanders' Vanilla. New for this pre-season...

 

[theogt]

I agree that you're not as bad as you've been in preseason thus far and that we're not as good as we've been in preseason thus far.
However....
1) I've said all along that although Saunders is obviously a great offensive coach, its unreasonable to expect him to come into some place and have instant success. It took him years in KC to find success which included finding and grooming the right kind of players for the system.
2) You've also been without Clinton Portis which is the centerpiece of your offense. That hasn't helped. He's an outstanding player and critical to the offense. Of course, his injury is one of those than can seriously and easily plague a RB an entire season, esp since CP's style will only encourage big hits on that shoulder. CP's health is going to go a LONG way in determining the success of the skin's season. Your backups pose very little threat. They can get some yards, esp behind your OL, but they aren't homerun threats. And they're certainly not guys you consider stacking 8 in the box to stop. Not even Duckett. Or else Atl would not have let him go.
3) Your QB is cause for serious concern. While I've certainly not been one to bash Brunnel as he really found some magic last year and throws a really accurate ball still, his shelf life very well could be expiring. Behind him are Todd Collins....who knows the system well but can't execute it because he has no real talent or ability and Jason Campbell...who is still VERY green to say the least. Maybe he can make most of the throws, maybe not. But one thing is for certain at this point....he's at least another year out from being able to make the reads. And if CP isn't healthy providing a real running threat, Campbell will fail miserably. Teams will drop 7 into coverage or blitz and he will be a deer in headlights probably worse than Ramsey was.
4) Your normally OUTSTANDING defense has looked pretty poor so far. I know its preseason, but they've been getting abused. I really don't think Springs is going to play a lot this year and if he does its not going to be 100% or he's going to get reinjured. That is a horrible injury for a DB. Also, I think your defense is a lot like ours was in '03 (or '04 whichever it was) where we looked a lot better than we really were because of smoke and mirrors. I still don't think you have an effective passrusher than can consistently beat people one on one. I don't think Archuleta can cover that well. I also think that if the offense carries its stench into the regular season it won't matter how good the defense is because its going to be left on the field for about 45 minutes a game.

As for us....
1) Our OL hasn't faced the bigtime passrushers yet or the blitzes like they'll see from our NFC east foes. Those will be a LOT tougher than the garbage Aint's or 69er DLs.
2) We've played well on offense without the best WR in the game, TO, and our #3, who's also pretty darned good when healthy. Also, we haven't hardly used Witten, one of the top TE's in the game, this preseason yet. Granted our success has been against the worst the NFL has to offer but at least there seems to be some spark there. We can only possibly be better with TO and Crayton. And more importantly, our running game can ONLY be better with TO and Crayton.
3) Our defense is BIG and FAST. We've cut one, and will probably cut one or two more, defensive players that could (and perhaps will) start for lesser teams. We're deep. While we've yet to throw a blitz at anyone, we've generated a decent passrush and stoned people running at us. Our DBs have locked everyone down. Granted it was against the worst in the NFL, but that's what good defenses should be doing against crummy offenses...shutting them out...and our first team D has done mostly that. What we can say about our defense is that its obviously MUCH better than it was last year and MUCH deeper. That we KNOW. We THINK, based on preseason, is that it has the potential to be something very special. But we shall see in a few weeks. They do seem to be coming together quite well.

Bottom line, I'd much prefer to see some spark against crap teams than no spark against good teams. And while I certainly still view our coming games against the skins as brutally tough ones, I think we can safely say, based on preseason, that you guys have more problems than we thought you did and we have fewer problems than we originally thought.
I definitely expect the Skins to show up a different team come opening day, but I think there are some problems that most didn't anticipate.

Woah, can i get a summary?

 

[Draegerman]

Native American curses vs. masterful facades? Beautiful.

Can't you just hear Gibbs?

"Men I want you to allow this FG to be blocked. Don't you eyeball me boy, I said let the field goal be blocked. It's all part of the master plan.

"We need to be ready to experience every detail of the upcoming season and that means understanding how to overcome blocked field goals. It is vital to our success to learn this lesson men.

"You can do it. Don't let me down. Allow that field goal to be blocked. You'll be a better team for it in the long run.

"It's all part of the masterful facade.

"Okay, who wants Koolaid?"

Hos, eloquent as always. Great job.

 

[burmafrd]

And finally I do not think the Pats are as good as they showed- they are good but nowhere near world beaters.

 

[DragonCowboy]

Commanders' Vanilla. New for this pre-season...

No, that's the Commanders "chocolate", for whenever they want to mix it up a bit.

This is Commanders Vanilla Deluxe: