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Washington Post says the Skins aren't interested. Also, another DE, second-year Alex Buzbee went down with an ankle injury.BRAVEONAWARPATH;2150713 said:
Commanders Philip Daniels carted off field w/torn ACL...done for year
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It's not so much that Buzbee was expected to contribute much, but we need bodies on the DLine so that our other players don't get overworked.Mansta54;2150719 said:
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Um... none of those guys would be starters on the 2008 Dallas Cowboys.
We rid ourselves of a large amount of cap space moving those players (especially Ferguson and Ayodele), players who would NOT crack our starting lineup.
The need for Ayodele (one of our very worst defensive starters in 2007, and a guy who would NOT see time as a backup on the nickel or dime) is minimized with the Zach Thomas acquisition, and the need for Ferguson is non-existent with the emergence of Jay Ratliff and the potential of Tank Johnson (who we are paying pennies for).
Ferguson likely wouldn't even be our 2nd string NT if he were here, and look how much he is due to make in 2008.
The trades worked out beautifully for both the Dolphins AND the Cowboys, unless if you think it's a GREAT idea to pay a bunch of money to backups who will hardly ever see the field...
But it's not surprising that casual fans would look at it and simply see the names switching teams, and think, "They screwed us!!!"
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Nav22;2150721 said:
I didn't say they would be.
We also weakened ourselves in two areas in terms of depth. We got what we could for both players and saved cap space. But we didn't get value or come out ahead. They did.
Zach Thomas has to prove to me he can play a whole season. I am very far from fond of Ayodele. I was scratching my head about him when most of you were applauding the signing two years ago. But he's still quality depth. Better than what we have right now, which is nothing.
No, casual fans think we got away ahead because we lopped off cap dollars or got close to value for all three players.
Three starters for fourth and sixth round choices is robbery. Or at the very least a friendly and healthy discount.
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You keep referring to these players as "starters", so did you mean that they will be starting for Miami? And if so, who cares? What Miami does with these players doesn't affect us.
WE don't need them. If a 1-15 bottom-feeder in another conference could use them and is willing to take those cap charges off our hands, let them.
Like I said, Ayodele does not play on the nickel or dime packages. He doesn't have the coverage ability.
So where would he fit in that could justify his cap charge? He wouldn't.
Ferguson would likely be the 3rd string NT on the 2008 Cowboys. His cap hit would have been $5.62 million for the upcoming season.
Explain to me why the need for a 3rd string NT (who happens to be 33 years old and coming off a torn bicep that cost him his '07 season) is worth $5.62 million of our cap, please.
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Steve Walsh wasn't going to be a starter for us, but he was still an asset and Jimmy Johnson got value for his asset when he traded him to the Saints for three good picks.
You can bad mouth Ayodele all you want, but in return you're also insulting Bobby Carpenter and Kevin Burnett because they weren't good enough to beat him out in Wade or Parcells' scheme. Ayodele is a mediocre starter, but very good depth who has played several positions.
The trades seemed utterly pointless to me, and I don't know what the Cowboys got out of it. We traded for immediate cap room, but cap room isn't an issue immediately. We supposedly traded for extra draft picks, but then we had more draft picks than we knew what to do with and ended up trading them away for future picks. We traded Fassano away because he was just a backup TE, and then we draft another backup TE in the 2nd round. Fasano better prove to be utterly useless or Bennett better be a huge weapon for it to make any sense ... I have a feeling neither will happen ... or that angle doesn't make any sense either.
If you're just giving Ferguson away for a 7th round draft pick, why not bring him to camp as an insurance plan in case Ratliff or Tank blow out a knee in a preseason game. If he's not needed, just give him away for nothing in August instead of April.
You can bad mouth Ayodele all you want, but in return you're also insulting Bobby Carpenter and Kevin Burnett because they weren't good enough to beat him out in Wade or Parcells' scheme. Ayodele is a mediocre starter, but very good depth who has played several positions.
The trades seemed utterly pointless to me, and I don't know what the Cowboys got out of it. We traded for immediate cap room, but cap room isn't an issue immediately. We supposedly traded for extra draft picks, but then we had more draft picks than we knew what to do with and ended up trading them away for future picks. We traded Fassano away because he was just a backup TE, and then we draft another backup TE in the 2nd round. Fasano better prove to be utterly useless or Bennett better be a huge weapon for it to make any sense ... I have a feeling neither will happen ... or that angle doesn't make any sense either.
If you're just giving Ferguson away for a 7th round draft pick, why not bring him to camp as an insurance plan in case Ratliff or Tank blow out a knee in a preseason game. If he's not needed, just give him away for nothing in August instead of April.
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Why in the world would the 'boys trade a starter to a division rival? No matter how many picks you might get in the process, I can't imagine any team doing that.dmq;2150754 said:
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So because they lost a guy who gets like 4 sacks a season, they feel the need to go after a guy who can get 12+?
I don't get that thought process. If they wanted Taylor at all, why in the hell would Daniels be the roadblock?
You aren't as interested in trading for a player who can almost quadruple the sacks of Daniels until Daniels is hurt?
"Ya know, we could trade for Jason Taylor and get about 12 or 13 sacks from him. But, at second thought, I'd sure hate to lose Daniels 4 sacks in the process. Better hold off on the Taylor deal"
I don't get that thought process. If they wanted Taylor at all, why in the hell would Daniels be the roadblock?
You aren't as interested in trading for a player who can almost quadruple the sacks of Daniels until Daniels is hurt?
"Ya know, we could trade for Jason Taylor and get about 12 or 13 sacks from him. But, at second thought, I'd sure hate to lose Daniels 4 sacks in the process. Better hold off on the Taylor deal"
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bbgun;2150750 said:
Yeah, but the Commanders might have the worst DE situation in the league and they have an owner/GM who might be the worst poker player in the league. They would be wise to strike while the iron is hot and Danny Boy is wound up and irrational.
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dmq;2150754 said:
I don't see how. I think most here think he's better suited to play tackle in the 4-3. I've even seen where many people think he's better suited to play the nose in our scheme. A 6'4" 305lb player that has trouble keeping his weight down isn't my ideal choice for a 4-3 DE. He's 30 lbs heavier than Daniels, and has marginal pass rush skills.