Commanders Philip Daniels carted off field w/torn ACL...done for year

[Deep_Freeze]

You keep referring to these players as "starters", so did you mean that they will be starting for Miami? And if so, who cares? What Miami does with these players doesn't affect us.

WE don't need them. If a 1-15 bottom-feeder in another conference could use them and is willing to take those cap charges off our hands, let them.Like I said, Ayodele does not play on the nickel or dime packages. He doesn't have the coverage ability.

So where would he fit in that could justify his cap charge? He wouldn't.

Ferguson would likely be the 3rd string NT on the 2008 Cowboys. His cap hit would have been $5.62 million for the upcoming season.

Explain to me why the need for a 3rd string NT (who happens to be 33 years old and coming off a torn bicep that cost him his '07 season) is worth $5.62 million of our cap, please.

Well he is right though, we really didn't get much from them at all and they either started for us or never got the chance to (Fasano). Would Fergy start, who knows, thats a camp battle, but he by the very least could be the backup, allow us to move Rat to his natural DE spot, and cut Spears if we want. That alone makes me like having Fergy instead of our current situation.

True he is older, and you are really making a choice between Fergy and Spears, but I would prefer having Rat at his natural position. Spears needs to go, and it would have been much easier to do so with Fergy on the team even at his age.

I could care less about losing Akin or Fasano, but I really didn't like the Fergy trade at all.

 

[Nav22]

I think the decision on Ferguson was essentially made last year when we gave Ratliff his new deal and added Tank.

 

[JonJon]

They really should have drafted a DE end somewhere in the draft...

They did. They drafted DE Rob Jackson in the 7th round. According to some guys at ES.com, he should be an all-pro by week 2.

I actually think they got good value with Thomas and Kelly in round 2, but they really should have went after a DE much sooner.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Yet the Pats traded Bledsoe, still an elite QB, to Buffalo.

Funny, I didn't think of that trade nor did I think of Bledsoe as still being an elite QB.

 

[Alexander]

Well he is right though, we really didn't get much from them at all and they either started for us or never got the chance to (Fasano). Would Fergy start, who knows, thats a camp battle, but he by the very least could be the backup, allow us to move Rat to his natural DE spot, and cut Spears if we want. That alone makes me like having Fergy instead of our current situation.

True he is older, and you are really making a choice between Fergy and Spears, but I would prefer having Rat at his natural position. Spears needs to go, and it would have been much easier to do so with Fergy on the team even at his age.

I could care less about losing Akin or Fasano, but I really didn't like the Fergy trade at all.

IMO Ratliff needs to play end. Ferguson, even at his price would have been a starter if Ratliff went to end. At the very least, Ferguson would have been a good rotation player with Johnson for this year.

Fasano was very disappointing but trading him meant we felt compelled to spend a second round choice on Bennett, so how did we have a net gain again? As for Ayodele, we might wish we had him back if Thomas can't make it a full season. Neither had an appreciable cap charge that made it necessary to move them, particularly Fasano.

If this is indeed a team loading up for bear for a Super Bowl run, you have players at depth positions like some of these. But oh boy, we sure got those fourth and sixth round picks.

 

[Mansta54]

They did. They drafted DE Rob Jackson in the 7th round. According to some guys at ES.com, he should be an all-pro by week 2.

I actually think they got good value with Thomas and Kelly in round 2, but they really should have went after a DE much sooner.

It was ridiculous to take 3 recievers with their first 3 picks knowing that their Oline is old and injury prone. Not to mention that their Dline has absolutely no pass rush. The game is played inside out, you have to have the Oline and Dline intact first before you start throwing away picks on recievers.. That was such a foolish move but I'm not suprised coming from their Frtofc which is a complete JOKE..

 

[Alexander]

Steve Walsh wasn't going to be a starter for us, but he was still an asset and Jimmy Johnson got value for his asset when he traded him to the Saints for three good picks.

You can bad mouth Ayodele all you want, but in return you're also insulting Bobby Carpenter and Kevin Burnett because they weren't good enough to beat him out in Wade or Parcells' scheme. Ayodele is a mediocre starter, but very good depth who has played several positions.

The trades seemed utterly pointless to me, and I don't know what the Cowboys got out of it. We traded for immediate cap room, but cap room isn't an issue immediately. We supposedly traded for extra draft picks, but then we had more draft picks than we knew what to do with and ended up trading them away for future picks. We traded Fassano away because he was just a backup TE, and then we draft another backup TE in the 2nd round. Fasano better prove to be utterly useless or Bennett better be a huge weapon for it to make any sense ... I have a feeling neither will happen ... or that angle doesn't make any sense either.

If you're just giving Ferguson away for a 7th round draft pick, why not bring him to camp as an insurance plan in case Ratliff or Tank blow out a knee in a preseason game. If he's not needed, just give him away for nothing in August instead of April.

It was a matter of convenience and we did Miami a favor. There was no necessity or even value involved, unless you dig really deep for a silver lining.

I consider it part of the continuing payback for them to "allow" Garrett to come aboard.

 

[Alexander]

It was ridiculous to take 3 recievers with their first 3 picks knowing that their Oline is old and injury prone. Not to mention that their Dline has absolutely no pass rush. The game is played inside out, you have to have the Oline and Dline intact first before you start throwing away picks on recievers.. That was such a foolish move but I'm not suprised coming from their Frtofc which is a complete JOKE..

Both of their lines were in a trouble and they foolishly ignored both areas (I don't count the Northern Iowa OT as a serious move). They simply crossed their fingers and convinced themselves that wishing would just make it go away (like we did with WR).

I can't really dispute WR as a need for them. But taking another tight end like Davis was the most unintelligent move of all. Not only was it unnecessary, it was risky. He's not the most stable individual around and proved it by "sleeping" through an entire practice.

 

[bbgun]

Funny, I didn't think of that trade nor did I think of Bledsoe as still being an elite QB.

I'm sure most of the league did, Buffalo especially. He wasn't physically "done," but merely blocked by the Golden Boy. Shades of Morton to the Giants.

 

[Mansta54]

Both of their lines were in a trouble and they foolishly ignored both areas (I don't count the Northern Iowa OT as a serious move). They simply crossed their fingers and convinced themselves that wishing would just make it go away (like we did with WR).

I can't really dispute WR as a need for them. But taking another tight end like Davis was the most unintelligent move of all. Not only was it unnecessary, it was risky. He's not the most stable individual around and proved it by "sleeping" through an entire practice.

I totally disagree with this. Our young WR's have shown that they can at least play in the league, unlike any of their linemen. Crayton and Hurd can play, and Witten catches just as many balls as any WR. Don't think we crossed our fingers at all, there just wasn't any available who are better then what we already have...

 

[mbanx]

If the Skins are really interested in Taylor I hope like hell Parcells takes danny boy to the cleaners.

 

[Mansta54]

If the Skins are really interested in Taylor I hope like hell Parcells takes danny boy to the cleaners.

Well, the Midget and Vinny have proven that it doesn't take much to take them to the cleaners...

 

[Nav22]

More injuries for the Commanders...

Alex Buzbee, 2nd year DE, ruptured his right Achilles' tendon and is done for the year. He was hurt 30 minutes into the afternoon practice.

He didn't play much last year (if at all), so this can't be considered a big loss. But it obviously doesn't help their depth, with Daniels also possibly being done for the year.

Also, Fred Smoot sprained his left ankle. HC Jim Zorn says he hopes Smoot will be out less than a week.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/07/smoot_hurt_in_afternoon_practi.html

 

[UVAwahoos]

Tuna very well could drive this price up. But the skins have a couple things working in their favor. The age card can easily come into effect, and help the skins keep a reasonable price. If taylor is really that adamant about leaving, a holdout could also work with the skins, as long as they are okay with delaying the talks for a little while.

A couple problems. First, Taylor wants to play for a winner. If the decaying corpse of Joe Gibbs couldn't get it done in 4 seasons, I'm pretty sure that Jimmy Zorn and company know they're just there as a stopgap until Spurrier's contract with the Gamecocks runs out and Snyder can get back to recycling coaches. Second, the Commanders are lacking in some of the key positions required to be considered an "NFL franchise" like coach, QB, WR, O-line, now D-line (haha, just lovely), LB, SS, etc. So I'm not sure that it's even legal for the Dolphins to get into trade discussions with a pseudo-AFL team.

But you're right, if those things get ironed out, than I am sure the Skins have the potential to acquire him at "a reasonable price" like you said since that's how Snyder acquires every one of his players. On 2nd thought, you kids have really built a winner out there in DC. If only there were a WNFL league to really show off all your hard work...

 

[Pabst]

Ouch. Two linemen done for the year, on the very first day of training camp?

Buzbee, at least hes still got youth on his side, but I wouldn't be surprised if Daniels is done after an injury like that.

Tendon rips are hard to prevent and often freak-of-nature like injuries, but regardless, it makes me wonder about their strength and conditioning coaches to see two DL go down on the first day.

Best luck to them both of them in their rehabilitation, no one likes to see injuries, especially this early in the year.

 

[Kilyin]

Funny, I didn't think of that trade nor did I think of Bledsoe as still being an elite QB.

During no point in his career was Bledsoe ever 'elite'.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I'm sure most of the league did, Buffalo especially. He wasn't physically "done," but merely blocked by the Golden Boy. Shades of Morton to the Giants.

That's a good point. But by that time he wasn't a starter anymore. Tom Brady was the clear cut starter at that point and Bledsoe wasn't going to take being a backup kindly.

Putting it back onto the Cowboys, I still don't see why they would consider trading Spears to the 'Skins.

 

[bbgun]

During no point in his career was Bledsoe ever 'elite'.

You say that with the benefit of hindsight. At the time, the general consensus was that the Bills did not overpay.

 

[bbgun]

Putting it back onto the Cowboys, I still don't see why they would consider trading Spears to the 'Skins.

It would bother me less than trading them a player who has the ball in their hands on every play.

 

[Mansta54]

A couple problems. First, Taylor wants to play for a winner. If the decaying corpse of Joe Gibbs couldn't get it done in 4 seasons, I'm pretty sure that Jimmy Zorn and company know they're just there as a stopgap until Spurrier's contract with the Gamecocks runs out and Snyder can get back to recycling coaches. Second, the Commanders are lacking in some of the key positions required to be considered an "NFL franchise" like coach, QB, WR, O-line, now D-line (haha, just lovely), LB, SS, etc. So I'm not sure that it's even legal for the Dolphins to get into trade discussions with a pseudo-AFL team.

But you're right, if those things get ironed out, than I am sure the Skins have the potential to acquire him at "a reasonable price" like you said since that's how Snyder acquires every one of his players. On 2nd thought, you kids have really built a winner out there in DC. If only there were a WNFL league to really show off all your hard work...

Ouch!!!! I luv it.....