CFZ Comparing age and tenure of 31 NFL GMs to JJ and SJ

[Bobhaze]

Bobhaze for GM

Two problems: I’m unqualified, and I’m too OLD!

 

[FanofJerry]

Current GMs who have won SBs:

• Brett Veach- 3 since 2019
• Jerry Jones- 3 between 1992-95
• Les Snead- 1 in 2021
• Jason Licht- 1 as GM in 2020 (won 1 as Director of Player Personnel in New England)
• Howie Roseman-1 in 2017 as Executive VP of Player Personnel in Philly in 2017

The other thing to remember is there have been over a dozen GMs who have won SBs who are no longer employed because they retired or were fired for not continuing to get results.

But they won Super Bowl's. They shouldnt be allowed to be fired and should dictate their salary until the end of time.

See how stupid the Super Bowl standard/measuring stick argument is.

Just contradict yourself when it fits your argument. Who wants to exist like that?

 

[DallasEast]

I gave a like but not for the ageism argument. However, Jerry Jones should have self-terminated himself as general manager due to lack of performance during or immediately following the 2002 season when he was 60.

Stephen Jones? For all I know, he may be the smartest chemical engineer on Earth. He never had the qualifications for being director of player personnel though. Heck. I have my doubts he is even qualified to be the chief operating officer for the Mister Car Wash chain--much less an NFL franchise.

 

[DallasEast]

Below is a list of the 31 General Managers in the NFL who are also NOT NFL owners. Also included in the list is their age and how many years they have been in that current job as GM.

• Cincinnati Bengals | Duke Tobin, age 52, (technically he’s the “Director of Player Personnel” but serves as de facto GM for owner Mike Brown) He’s in his 24th year as bengals executive

I just thought something. Mike Brown has been around for LONG time. He may have been a poor general manager for decades before handing over the reigns to Tobin BUT he had been an assistant general manager under his father for decades before that.

Obviously, experience does not always translate into being an effective general manager of an NFL franchise. That said, Mike Brown paid his dues before becoming one. None of his critics can ever say he loaded up his truck and moved to Beverly just stepped into the job, while gifting other equally unqualified family members with top level front office positions as well.

 

[DallasEast]

But they won Super Bowl's. They shouldnt be allowed to be fired and should dictate their salary until the end of time.

See how stupid the Super Bowl standard/measuring stick argument is.

Just contradict yourself when it fits your argument. Who wants to exist like that?

wow.

 

[Diehardblues]

But they won Super Bowl's. They shouldnt be allowed to be fired and should dictate their salary until the end of time.

See how stupid the Super Bowl standard/measuring stick argument is.

Just contradict yourself when it fits your argument. Who wants to exist like that?

In other words you are suggesting providing them a pass for life with the early success they had when they weren’t making all of the football personnel decisions building a championship team.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

Al Davis has been the oldest GM in NFL history and he died at 82 in 2011.

They still haven't recovered

 

[john van brocklin]

Below is a list of the 31 General Managers in the NFL who are also NOT NFL owners. Also included in the list is their age and how many years they have been in that current job as GM.

• Arizona Cardinals | Monti Ossenfort, age 46, been GM in Ari 1 year. (Previously GM at Tenn 4 years)
• Atlanta Falcons | Terry Fontenot, age 43, been GM in Atl since 2021.
• Baltimore Ravens | Eric DeCosta, age 52, been GM in Balt since 2019.
• Buffalo Bills | Brandon Beane, age 47, been GM in Buff since 2017.
• Carolina Panthers | Dan Morgan, age 45, in his first year.
• Chicago Bears | Ryan Poles, age 38, been GM in Chicago since 2022.
• Cincinnati Bengals | Duke Tobin, age 52, (technically he’s the “Director of Player Personnel” but serves as de facto GM for owner Mike Brown) He’s in his 24th year as bengals executive
• Cleveland Browns | Andrew Berry, age 36, been GM in Cleveland since 2020
• Denver Broncos | George Paton, age 53, been GM in Denver since 2021
• Detroit Lions | Brad Holmes, age 44, been GM in Detroit since 2021
• Green Bay Packers | Brian Gutekunst, age 50, been GM in GB since 2018
• Houston Texans | Nick Caserio, age 48, been GM in Houston since 2021
• Indianapolis Colts | Chris Ballard, age 54, been GM in Indy since 2017
• Jacksonville Jaguars | Trent Baalke, age 60, been GM in Jax since 2021.
• Kansas City Chiefs | Brett Veach, age 46, been GM in Kansas City since 2017.
• Las Vegas Raiders | Tom Telesco, age 51, in his first year as GM in Vegas (was chargers GM from 2013-23)
• Los Angeles Chargers | Joe Hortiz, age 48, in hist first year as GM of chargers.
• Los Angeles Rams | Les Snead, age 53, been rams GM since 2012
• Minnesota Vikings | Kwesi Adofo-Mensah, age 42, GM in Minn since 2021
• Miami Dolphins | Chris Grier, age 53, been GM in Miami since 2016.
• New England Patriots | Elliott Wolf, age 42, in his first year as Pats GM
• New Orleans Saints | Mickey Loomis, age 54, been NO GM since 2013
• New York Giants | Joe Schoen, age 44, been Giants GM since 2022
• New York Jets | Joe Douglas, age 47, been jets GM since 2019
• Pittsburgh Steelers | Omar Khan, age 47, been Steelers GM since 2022
• Philadelphia Eagles | Howie Roseman, age 48, been Philly GM since 2019
• San Francisco 49ers | John Lynch, age 52, been GM in SF since 2017
• Seattle Seahawks | John Schneider, age 52, been GM in Seattle since 2010
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Jason Licht, age 53, been GM in Tampa since 2014
• Tennessee Titans | Ran Carthon, age 43, in his first year as GM at Tenn
• Washington Commanders | Adam Peters, age 44, in his first year as GM in Wash

NFL GMs who are also owners:

• Jerry Jones, age 81, (will be 82 in Oct) been GM of the Cowboys 35 years.
• Stephen Jones is 59 (will be 60 in June) So SJ would be the second oldest GM in the league if he takes over, lol.

Average age of an NFL GM (without Jerry in count): 46.5
Oldest GM in league besides Jerry: Trent Baalke, Jacksonville GM, age 60.
Average length of tenure of NFL GMs other than Jerry: 8 years

Tom Landry was fired at 64 because the game had passed him. Tex Schramm was replaced by Jerry as GM in 1989 when Schramm was 68.
I know a lot fans think Stephen is really pulling most of the GM strings these days but he will be 60 in June.

Aren‘t both of these guys too old?

Too old and too much lack of post season success.
Their results would not be tolerated on other teams.

 

[Diehardblues]

Too old and too much lack of post season success.
Their results would not be tolerated on other teams.

Right

Landry was fired after 3 straight losing seasons.

Belichick was basically not wanted anymore after 3 straight non playoff seasons.

Nobody gets a pass for life. It’s always about what have you done for me lately.

 

[Ranching]

Bobhaze for GM

Coogiguy for GM....at least he's open to getting other people's thoughts.

 

[slick325]

Below is a list of the 31 General Managers in the NFL who are also NOT NFL owners. Also included in the list is their age and how many years they have been in that current job as GM.

• Arizona Cardinals | Monti Ossenfort, age 46, been GM in Ari 1 year. (Previously GM at Tenn 4 years)
• Atlanta Falcons | Terry Fontenot, age 43, been GM in Atl since 2021.
• Baltimore Ravens | Eric DeCosta, age 52, been GM in Balt since 2019.
• Buffalo Bills | Brandon Beane, age 47, been GM in Buff since 2017.
• Carolina Panthers | Dan Morgan, age 45, in his first year.
• Chicago Bears | Ryan Poles, age 38, been GM in Chicago since 2022.
• Cincinnati Bengals | Duke Tobin, age 52, (technically he’s the “Director of Player Personnel” but serves as de facto GM for owner Mike Brown) He’s in his 24th year as bengals executive
• Cleveland Browns | Andrew Berry, age 36, been GM in Cleveland since 2020
• Denver Broncos | George Paton, age 53, been GM in Denver since 2021
• Detroit Lions | Brad Holmes, age 44, been GM in Detroit since 2021
• Green Bay Packers | Brian Gutekunst, age 50, been GM in GB since 2018
• Houston Texans | Nick Caserio, age 48, been GM in Houston since 2021
• Indianapolis Colts | Chris Ballard, age 54, been GM in Indy since 2017
• Jacksonville Jaguars | Trent Baalke, age 60, been GM in Jax since 2021.
• Kansas City Chiefs | Brett Veach, age 46, been GM in Kansas City since 2017.
• Las Vegas Raiders | Tom Telesco, age 51, in his first year as GM in Vegas (was chargers GM from 2013-23)
• Los Angeles Chargers | Joe Hortiz, age 48, in hist first year as GM of chargers.
• Los Angeles Rams | Les Snead, age 53, been rams GM since 2012
• Minnesota Vikings | Kwesi Adofo-Mensah, age 42, GM in Minn since 2021
• Miami Dolphins | Chris Grier, age 53, been GM in Miami since 2016.
• New England Patriots | Elliott Wolf, age 42, in his first year as Pats GM
• New Orleans Saints | Mickey Loomis, age 54, been NO GM since 2013
• New York Giants | Joe Schoen, age 44, been Giants GM since 2022
• New York Jets | Joe Douglas, age 47, been jets GM since 2019
• Pittsburgh Steelers | Omar Khan, age 47, been Steelers GM since 2022
• Philadelphia Eagles | Howie Roseman, age 48, been Philly GM since 2019
• San Francisco 49ers | John Lynch, age 52, been GM in SF since 2017
• Seattle Seahawks | John Schneider, age 52, been GM in Seattle since 2010
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Jason Licht, age 53, been GM in Tampa since 2014
• Tennessee Titans | Ran Carthon, age 43, in his first year as GM at Tenn
• Washington Commanders | Adam Peters, age 44, in his first year as GM in Wash

NFL GMs who are also owners:

• Jerry Jones, age 81, (will be 82 in Oct) been GM of the Cowboys 35 years.
• Stephen Jones is 59 (will be 60 in June) So SJ would be the second oldest GM in the league if he takes over, lol.

Average age of an NFL GM (without Jerry in count): 46.5
Oldest GM in league besides Jerry: Trent Baalke, Jacksonville GM, age 60.
Average length of tenure of NFL GMs other than Jerry: 8 years

Tom Landry was fired at 64 because the game had passed him. Tex Schramm was replaced by Jerry as GM in 1989 when Schramm was 68.
I know a lot fans think Stephen is really pulling most of the GM strings these days but he will be 60 in June.

Aren‘t both of these guys too old?

Experience is on our side, Bullet!

 

[Jarv]

It’s not so much the age of Jethro & Son which are such a handicap as the lack of amount they spend actually reviewing film and the 70-80 hours a week a VP or GM dedicate to their position.

But there’s a bigger reason their age hasn’t mattered the last 30 years since they took over total control of football operations and personnel after parting ways with Jimmy.

They have a conflict of interest wearing both hats as owners and running football operations. In order to continue the football celebrity passions Jethro pursues all that’s been needed is to produce a fairly competitive product and hype the Iconic Brand behind it .

Their only accountability is butts in the seats. And why Jethro stays front and center appealing to public perception. It’s been working . And I don’t see any reason for them to change until Jethro is gone.

It doesn’t mean they don’t want to win but not enough to get out of the way. Jethro was winning championships but that wasn’t enough for him. Why we continue expecting him to change baffles me.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Bobhaze]

I just thought something. Mike Brown has been around for LONG time. He may have been a poor general manager for decades before handing over the reigns to Tobin BUT he had been an assistant general manager under his father for decades before that.

Obviously, experience does not always translate into being an effective general manager of an NFL franchise. That said, Mike Brown paid his dues before becoming one. None of his critics can ever say he loaded up his truck and moved to Beverly just stepped into the job, while gifting other equally unqualified family members with top level front office positions as well.

There is a ton of modern research that shows in large organizations like an NFL team, nepotism is extremely detrimental to overall performance because it tends to allow “group think” or a lack of accountability for results. Family members’ ideas cannot be challenged in a way that keeps the organization honest.

Nepotism isn’t a big problem in a mom and pop type business with maybe 20-30 employees. Like a restaurant or lumber company. But in an organization like an NFL team where having qualified people in EVERY job is critical, allowing the owner’s kids to have executive positions without qualifications is a bad formula when trying to win championships.

 

[Bobhaze]

They still haven't recovered

Great point. Al’s son Mark Davis (who looks like Moe Howard of the Three Stooges) has taken over ownership. At least Mark has hired someone else to be the GM.

 

[SlammedZero]

Two problems: I’m unqualified, and I’m too OLD!

I'd say, based on your posts and good football logic, that you're more qualified then the Jones' boys.

 

[NotForLong]

Below is a list of the 31 General Managers in the NFL who are also NOT NFL owners. Also included in the list is their age and how many years they have been in that current job as GM.

• Arizona Cardinals | Monti Ossenfort, age 46, been GM in Ari 1 year. (Previously GM at Tenn 4 years)
• Atlanta Falcons | Terry Fontenot, age 43, been GM in Atl since 2021.
• Baltimore Ravens | Eric DeCosta, age 52, been GM in Balt since 2019.
• Buffalo Bills | Brandon Beane, age 47, been GM in Buff since 2017.
• Carolina Panthers | Dan Morgan, age 45, in his first year.
• Chicago Bears | Ryan Poles, age 38, been GM in Chicago since 2022.
• Cincinnati Bengals | Duke Tobin, age 52, (technically he’s the “Director of Player Personnel” but serves as de facto GM for owner Mike Brown) He’s in his 24th year as bengals executive
• Cleveland Browns | Andrew Berry, age 36, been GM in Cleveland since 2020
• Denver Broncos | George Paton, age 53, been GM in Denver since 2021
• Detroit Lions | Brad Holmes, age 44, been GM in Detroit since 2021
• Green Bay Packers | Brian Gutekunst, age 50, been GM in GB since 2018
• Houston Texans | Nick Caserio, age 48, been GM in Houston since 2021
• Indianapolis Colts | Chris Ballard, age 54, been GM in Indy since 2017
• Jacksonville Jaguars | Trent Baalke, age 60, been GM in Jax since 2021.
• Kansas City Chiefs | Brett Veach, age 46, been GM in Kansas City since 2017.
• Las Vegas Raiders | Tom Telesco, age 51, in his first year as GM in Vegas (was chargers GM from 2013-23)
• Los Angeles Chargers | Joe Hortiz, age 48, in hist first year as GM of chargers.
• Los Angeles Rams | Les Snead, age 53, been rams GM since 2012
• Minnesota Vikings | Kwesi Adofo-Mensah, age 42, GM in Minn since 2021
• Miami Dolphins | Chris Grier, age 53, been GM in Miami since 2016.
• New England Patriots | Elliott Wolf, age 42, in his first year as Pats GM
• New Orleans Saints | Mickey Loomis, age 54, been NO GM since 2013
• New York Giants | Joe Schoen, age 44, been Giants GM since 2022
• New York Jets | Joe Douglas, age 47, been jets GM since 2019
• Pittsburgh Steelers | Omar Khan, age 47, been Steelers GM since 2022
• Philadelphia Eagles | Howie Roseman, age 48, been Philly GM since 2019
• San Francisco 49ers | John Lynch, age 52, been GM in SF since 2017
• Seattle Seahawks | John Schneider, age 52, been GM in Seattle since 2010
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Jason Licht, age 53, been GM in Tampa since 2014
• Tennessee Titans | Ran Carthon, age 43, in his first year as GM at Tenn
• Washington Commanders | Adam Peters, age 44, in his first year as GM in Wash

NFL GMs who are also owners:

• Jerry Jones, age 81, (will be 82 in Oct) been GM of the Cowboys 35 years.
• Stephen Jones is 59 (will be 60 in June) So SJ would be the second oldest GM in the league if he takes over, lol.

Average age of an NFL GM (without Jerry in count): 46.5
Oldest GM in league besides Jerry: Trent Baalke, Jacksonville GM, age 60.
Average length of tenure of NFL GMs other than Jerry: 8 years

Tom Landry was fired at 64 because the game had passed him. Tex Schramm was replaced by Jerry as GM in 1989 when Schramm was 68.
I know a lot fans think Stephen is really pulling most of the GM strings these days but he will be 60 in June.

Aren‘t both of these guys too old?

This is why Free Agents do not come here. Who has the time or energy to deal with the Jones

 

[Cowboys5217]

Two problems: I’m unqualified, and I’m too OLD!

You are just as qualified as Jerry was when he named himself Emperor for Life.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Geez ...Jerruh is so old. Some of those GMs could be his grandchildren.

No wonder our War Room smells like urine

 

[ArtClink]

Oh wow!! David Lee Roth did not grow old gracefully! Lol. And I agree, Stephen looks way older than 59!! Jerry looks better! Lol

It's crazy but true

 

[ArtClink]

This is why Free Agents do not come here. Who has the time or energy to deal with the Jones

They also don't come to Dallas because they have zero chance at winning a ring. Zero.

The Texans are building a juggernaut and they might win a championship way before the fuhrer is lowered into the ground at the 50 yard line.