Comparison: against teams with winning records in 2009...

[Bleu Star]

This year our Cowboys are a stellar 1-4 against teams with winning records. In stark contrast, the Chargers are 3-1 against the same variable. Can someone help me gain some confidence that we won't get whooped in our own house on Sunday?

 

[bootyhunta]

3 of those 4 losses were on the road

 

[Bleu Star]

3 of those 4 losses were on the road

That makes me feel a little better. Kinda scary to see that stat though...

 

[bootyhunta]

If you win all or most of your home games and squeak out a couple of road wins, you'll make the playoffs pretty much every year

 

[AdamJT13]

against teams with winning records.

Oh look, it's our weekly dose this flawed statistic. You have to look at the opponents' records OUTSIDE of the games against the team in question, otherwise you're creating a self-fulfilling stat.

For example, against everyone but us, the Giants are 5-5, and the Falcons are 6-5. One of them counts in this stat, but it's not the team with a winning record against the rest of the league. If you lose, it counts, but if you win, it doesn't.

 

[Bleu Star]

Creating threads like this is like setting mouse traps. I always know Adam will come sniffing around. Thanks for the keen insight Adam.

 

[Hostile]

This year our Cowboys are a stellar 1-4 against teams with winning records. In stark contrast, the Chargers are 3-1 against the same variable. Can someone help me gain some confidence that we won't get whooped in our own house on Sunday?

This is a job for CRAP.

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[CF74]

If you lose, it counts, but if you win, it doesn't.

Wut?

It's a simple statement. We lose against teams with a winning record more, what you just posted has no true bearing here...

 

[Bleu Star]

Interesting responses thus far...

Oh & Hos, your response cleared the top of my head by a follicle. *whoosh*

 

[AdamJT13]

Wut?

It's a simple statement. We lose against teams with a winning record more, what you just posted has no true bearing here...

Did you even read the rest of what I wrote?

Let's say we play a team that is 6-6. If we win the game, that team is 6-7, and it doesn't count as a win over a team with a "winning record." But if we lose, that team is 7-6, and it counts as a loss to a team with a "winning record." It's the SAME TEAM either way. But it only counts as a game against a "winning team" if you lose. That makes no sense.

Because we lost twice to the Giants, both games count in this flawed stat. If we had swept the Giants or split, NEITHER game would count.

If we had lost to the Falcons, that game would count (they'd be 7-5). But because we won, it doesn't count (they're only 6-6).

It's not a difficult concept. Unless you remove the games against the team in question, you're creating a flawed, self-fulfilling stat.

If you consider only teams that have a winning record against the rest of the league -- not including our games -- we're actually 2-2 against winning teams. We beat the Eagles (8-3) and Falcons (6-5) but lost to the Packers (7-4) and Broncos (7-4).

 

[twentytwo]

Did you even read the rest of what I wrote?

Let's say we play a team that is 6-6. If we win the game, that team is 6-7, and it doesn't count as a win over a team with a "winning record." But if we lose, that team is 7-6, and it counts as a loss to a team with a "winning record." It's the SAME TEAM either way. But it only counts as a game against a "winning team" if you lose. That makes no sense.

Because we lost twice to the Giants, both games count in this flawed stat. If we had swept the Giants or split, NEITHER game would count.

If we had lost to the Falcons, that game would count (they'd be 7-5). But because we won, it doesn't count (they're only 6-6).

It's not a difficult concept. Unless you remove the games against the team in question, you're creating a flawed, self-fulfilling stat.

If you consider only teams that have a winning record against the rest of the league -- not including our games -- we're actually 2-2 against winning teams. We beat the Eagles (8-3) and Falcons (6-5) but lost to the Packers (7-4) and Broncos (7-4).

I had never thought about it that way, but it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the info.

Also, I don't always like looking at this statistic anyway. Teams go through so many ups and downs throughout the season. For example, the Atlanta team that we beat was MUCH different from the Atlanta team that Philly beat last week.

 

[Dodger]

Did you even read the rest of what I wrote?

Let's say we play a team that is 6-6. If we win the game, that team is 6-7, and it doesn't count as a win over a team with a "winning record." But if we lose, that team is 7-6, and it counts as a loss to a team with a "winning record." It's the SAME TEAM either way. But it only counts as a game against a "winning team" if you lose. That makes no sense.

Because we lost twice to the Giants, both games count in this flawed stat. If we had swept the Giants or split, NEITHER game would count.

If we had lost to the Falcons, that game would count (they'd be 7-5). But because we won, it doesn't count (they're only 6-6).

It's not a difficult concept. Unless you remove the games against the team in question, you're creating a flawed, self-fulfilling stat.

If you consider only teams that have a winning record against the rest of the league -- not including our games -- we're actually 2-2 against winning teams. We beat the Eagles (8-3) and Falcons (6-5) but lost to the Packers (7-4) and Broncos (7-4).

Very nice.

 

[CF74]

Did you even read the rest of what I wrote?

Let's say we play a team that is 6-6. If we win the game, that team is 6-7, and it doesn't count as a win over a team with a "winning record." But if we lose, that team is 7-6, and it counts as a loss to a team with a "winning record." It's the SAME TEAM either way. But it only counts as a game against a "winning team" if you lose. That makes no sense.

Because we lost twice to the Giants, both games count in this flawed stat. If we had swept the Giants or split, NEITHER game would count.

If we had lost to the Falcons, that game would count (they'd be 7-5). But because we won, it doesn't count (they're only 6-6).

It's not a difficult concept. Unless you remove the games against the team in question, you're creating a flawed, self-fulfilling stat.

If you consider only teams that have a winning record against the rest of the league -- not including our games -- we're actually 2-2 against winning teams. We beat the Eagles (8-3) and Falcons (6-5) but lost to the Packers (7-4) and Broncos (7-4).

This second explanation makes sense. You gotta understand that not everyone who posts here has a mathematical mind nor is a CPA. Either way a win is a win but I understand what you're saying, some of those teams beat us where as prior there record was .500

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Did you even read the rest of what I wrote?

Let's say we play a team that is 6-6. If we win the game, that team is 6-7, and it doesn't count as a win over a team with a "winning record." But if we lose, that team is 7-6, and it counts as a loss to a team with a "winning record." It's the SAME TEAM either way. But it only counts as a game against a "winning team" if you lose. That makes no sense.

Because we lost twice to the Giants, both games count in this flawed stat. If we had swept the Giants or split, NEITHER game would count.

If we had lost to the Falcons, that game would count (they'd be 7-5). But because we won, it doesn't count (they're only 6-6).

It's not a difficult concept. Unless you remove the games against the team in question, you're creating a flawed, self-fulfilling stat.

If you consider only teams that have a winning record against the rest of the league -- not including our games -- we're actually 2-2 against winning teams. We beat the Eagles (8-3) and Falcons (6-5) but lost to the Packers (7-4) and Broncos (7-4).

But doesn't the same thing apply to the Chargers? The fact is that they are 3-1 and the Boys are 1-4. It's true that only losses count, not wins, but the Chargers have faced the same problem. The problem with "against teams with a winning record" therefore cuts against both teams, making the OP's point still valid - the Chargers have played better against good teams than the Cowboys have.

 

[Beast_from_East]

3 of those 4 loses were on the road and the 1 loss at home was to the Giants on openning night where they won by a FG as time expired.

So it is not like we cant compete, we just usually find a way to lose.

 

[Bleu Star]

Did you even read the rest of what I wrote?

Let's say we play a team that is 6-6. If we win the game, that team is 6-7, and it doesn't count as a win over a team with a "winning record." But if we lose, that team is 7-6, and it counts as a loss to a team with a "winning record." It's the SAME TEAM either way. But it only counts as a game against a "winning team" if you lose. That makes no sense.

Because we lost twice to the Giants, both games count in this flawed stat. If we had swept the Giants or split, NEITHER game would count.

If we had lost to the Falcons, that game would count (they'd be 7-5). But because we won, it doesn't count (they're only 6-6).

It's not a difficult concept. Unless you remove the games against the team in question, you're creating a flawed, self-fulfilling stat.

If you consider only teams that have a winning record against the rest of the league -- not including our games -- we're actually 2-2 against winning teams. We beat the Eagles (8-3) and Falcons (6-5) but lost to the Packers (7-4) and Broncos (7-4).

Well stated. I'm a little more confident now.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Did you even read the rest of what I wrote?

Let's say we play a team that is 6-6. If we win the game, that team is 6-7, and it doesn't count as a win over a team with a "winning record." But if we lose, that team is 7-6, and it counts as a loss to a team with a "winning record." It's the SAME TEAM either way. But it only counts as a game against a "winning team" if you lose. That makes no sense.

Because we lost twice to the Giants, both games count in this flawed stat. If we had swept the Giants or split, NEITHER game would count.

If we had lost to the Falcons, that game would count (they'd be 7-5). But because we won, it doesn't count (they're only 6-6).

It's not a difficult concept. Unless you remove the games against the team in question, you're creating a flawed, self-fulfilling stat.

If you consider only teams that have a winning record against the rest of the league -- not including our games -- we're actually 2-2 against winning teams. We beat the Eagles (8-3) and Falcons (6-5) but lost to the Packers (7-4) and Broncos (7-4).

Okay so we're 1-4 against teams that don't suck ***.

And we're 7-0 against teams that do suck ***.

Spin that, spinmaster.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

But doesn't the same thing apply to the Chargers? The fact is that they are 3-1 and the Boys are 1-4. It's true that only losses count, not wins, but the Chargers have faced the same problem. The problem with "against teams with a winning record" therefore cuts against both teams, making the OP's point still valid - the Chargers have played better against good teams than the Cowboys have.

The Cowboys are actually 2-2 based on Adam's valid post. It's a small sample anyway.

 

[Bleu Star]

But doesn't the same thing apply to the Chargers? The fact is that they are 3-1 and the Boys are 1-4. It's true that only losses count, not wins, but the Chargers have faced the same problem. The problem with "against teams with a winning record" therefore cuts against both teams, making the OP's point still valid - the Chargers have played better against good teams than the Cowboys have.

I wasn't really making a point. I was looking for someone to make one for me. Adam did.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Okay so we're 1-4 against teams that don't suck ***.

And we're 7-0 against teams that do suck ***.

Spin that, spinmaster.

They only suck after we beat them. If you ask me, the Giants suck and Denver and Green Bay aren't that great either. If we had beaten them, they would really suck. So maybe every team on our schedule sucks because they play us.