Conclusion to VT vs. Bledsoe

[Zaxor]

Seems someone disagreed with my assesment and moved/deleted the post....

So I will attempt to finish what I started though my data may be incomplete now

From everything I read from those who responded it seems those that disagreed were predisposed to not liking Vinny from the get go...

the only counters to the argument that VT was better than Bledsoe was the number of TD passes and int's

but what was not taking into account was the receivers that each had to throw to... so I will forgive the 3 more int's and the 5 less TD's that VT threw because he had no Terry Glenn, no Dan Campbell, and a Key running around on a bad wheel...no Julius for 8-9 games and no Barber as back up..and VT had a worse Defense meaning he was having to play from behind alot

they both had the lack of a running game, poor o-line protection, pretty close the same strength of schedule but Bledsoe had the advantage of having a whole training camp as the starter

so with these things alone...one could easily make the arguement that Vinny did the better job at QBing the Cowboys in his year at the helm throw in the 10 extra Fumbles and the 15 extra sacks by Bledsoe and VT wins this baby in a landslide...

It might be unpopular but it is the truth as far as I am able to see it...

again no need to call me names as I did not create the numbers if you do not like the results ask Bledsoe to play better...

 

[Zman5]

VT was the starter pretty much for the whole training camp. I think QC got cut after 1 week of TC.

 

[Zaxor]

VT was the starter pretty much for the whole training camp. I think QC got cut after 1 week of TC.

my point still stands plus in Bledsoe's case his teammates knew he was the starter with VT he was suppose to be a backup and then the scandal came and might be used as handicapping in 2004

 

[Dale]

For what it's worth, Vinny threw 6 touchdown passes in 6 games with Terry Glenn.

 

[Zaxor]

For what it's worth, Vinny threw 6 touchdown passes in 6 games with Terry Glenn.

Wow that is pretty good thanks Dale no telling what he might have done had Glenn stayed healthy

 

[Dale]

Wow that is pretty good thanks Dale no telling what he might have done had Glenn stayed healthy

He averaged 1 touchdown pass per game with Glenn in the lineup. He finished with 17 touchdown passes in 16 games. Glenn's presence didn't hinder or help his touchdown total really, going just by the stats sheet.

 

[Zaxor]

He averaged 1 touchdown pass per game with Glenn in the lineup. He finished with 17 touchdown passes in 16 games. Glenn's presence didn't hinder or help his touchdown total really, going just by the stats sheet.

hard to say... didn't he throw like 3-4 300 yard games at the begining of the season and the threat of having T. Glenn has got to be considered a bonus...

but if it is true that he doesn't need good receivers VT is even more impressive wouldn't you say

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Im not the biggest fan of stats. I think they help tell the story,but in all reality, there's more to the game than numbers. Football is played on the field.

Vinny's Stats do portray that he tailed off near the end of the year, but that was obvious just by his performance.

Bledsoe has a better presence, and his arm is far superior.

Making this statistical comparison is quite ludicrous actually, because if you want to cross refence numbers, Aikman's best season in terms of yards was a 3445, the same year he also had his highest TD output with 23. Would you use these numbers and say Testaverde or Bledsoe are better QBs than Aikman?

Aikman>Bledsoe>Testy

 

[Dale]

Im not the biggest fan of stats. I think they help tell the story,but in all reality, there's more to the game than numbers. Football is played on the field.

Vinny's Stats do portray that he tailed off near the end of the year, but that was obvious just by his performance.

Bledsoe has a better presence, and his arm is far superior.

Making this statistical comparison is quite ludicrous actually, because if you want to cross refence numbers, Aikman's best season in terms of yards was a 3445, the same year he also had his highest TD output with 23. Would you use these numbers and say Testaverde or Bledsoe are better QBs than Aikman?

Aikman>Bledsoe>Testy

But Aikman had a better supporting cast.

Oh, I jest.

My opinion is simple on the Vinny vs Bledsoe thing. Vinny is a fine backup quarterback, and I was a proponent for bringing him back this year in that very role. He can fill in in a pinch, IMO, and not be terrible for a game or two. And in reality, he didn't even embarrass himself last season -- quite remarkable for a player his age playing at this level.

With that said, from day one, I felt Bledsoe proved he was a better player on the field. In all these stats, how about mentioning the stat of comeback victories? I believe Bledsoe holds a much firmer grip in the leadership department and in the clutch performance department. Holding a .500 record this season when asked to lead his team back in the game's final drive (week after week) isn't shabby, IMO.

And for much of the season, he was a favorite to land a spot on the Pro Bowl roster.

The reality, also, is that both Vinny and Drew are aging quarterbacks who haven't played well in December recently. They are, indeed, similar in that regard. But without a doubt, Bledsoe has many more top-notch performances than Testaverde did, and he did so in the clutch.

From what I've seen of both players, Bledsoe has shown he can do more than Vinny with a similar cast. And I feel that with Bledsoe, we would be more likely to get the most out of free-agent signings along the offensive line or at receiver.

 

[Zaxor]

Im not the biggest fan of stats. I think they help tell the story,but in all reality, there's more to the game than numbers. Football is played on the field.

Vinny's Stats do portray that he tailed off near the end of the year, but that was obvious just by his performance.

Bledsoe has a better presence, and his arm is far superior.

Making this statistical comparison is quite ludicrous actually, because if you want to cross refence numbers, Aikman's best season in terms of yards was a 3445, the same year he also had his highest TD output with 23. Would you use these numbers and say Testaverde or Bledsoe are better QBs than Aikman?

Aikman>Bledsoe>Testy

the comparison with VT and Bledsoe was a year apart with some of the same parts in place..so they could not be compared to aikman...who is 5-6 years removed with no other same parts except 2 o-lineman with 5-6 years more on them

so I do not see your point at all... unless it is you simply do not want it to be so

 

[Zaxor]

Dale=But Aikman had a better supporting cast.

Oh, I jest.

My opinion is simple on the Vinny vs Bledsoe thing. Vinny is a fine backup quarterback, and I was a proponent for bringing him back this year in that very role. He can fill in in a pinch, IMO, and not be terrible for a game or two. And in reality, he didn't even embarrass himself last season -- quite remarkable for a player his age playing at this level.

I said as much myself last year better to just keep VT as they are pretty much the same guy before we signed Bledsoe

With that said, from day one, I felt Bledsoe proved he was a better player on the field. In all these stats, how about mentioning the stat of comeback victories? I believe Bledsoe holds a much firmer grip in the leadership department and in the clutch performance department. Holding a .500 record this season when asked to lead his team back in the game's final drive (week after week) isn't shabby, IMO.

You wish to use come back victories as your arguement but in order to do so you have to factor in the defense and the skilled players around the QB and VT had less of both so it would be a very unfair comparison...don't you think so?

And for much of the season, he was a favorite to land a spot on the Pro Bowl roster.

was this a FAN poll?

The reality, also, is that both Vinny and Drew are aging quarterbacks who haven't played well in December recently. They are, indeed, similar in that regard. But without a doubt, Bledsoe has many more top-notch performances than Testaverde did, and he did so in the clutch.

How can you say that... both had 4 games with 100+ QBR both had one in the 30's or 40's I think.... and again keep in mind that VT was handicapped by the lack of playmakers but I would still like for you to show me the more Top Notch Performances

From what I've seen of both players, Bledsoe has shown he can do more than Vinny with a similar cast. And I feel that with Bledsoe, we would be more likely to get the most out of free-agent signings along the offensive line or at receiver.

they did not have a similiar cast and Bledsoe did not do more if I am wrong please show me and I will gladly admit I was wrong...Bledsoe adds much to much pressure on the whole team but especially the o-line so I don't see how we can be getting the most out of FA signing's again if I am wrong just show me...


If you ask me it was the idea of having and the jokes that came from having such an old QB that rubbed people the wrong way... Because they really are pretty close to the same guy even in Career Stats... So the love for Bledsoe versus the venom for VT is really uncalled for.... and again if you ask me it was a big mistake to bring in either one and a bigger mistake keeping them a 2nd year... no need for a over the hill veteran till we have an established somewhat young QB starter or at least have made a commitment to one...

 

[Cowchips]

So, we've established that Bledsoe and Vinny had conparable years, which were statistically pretty good and would have been a lot better with a better oline.

Is the suggestion to bring back a 45 year old Vinnie, who couldnt stay healthy with the Jets this year and dump Bledsoe who is 12 years younger and rarely ever gets injured? That would be pretty foolish, wouldnt it?

Unless you know of a 25 year old that can put up the numbers VT/Bledsoe do, I think I'd stick with Bledsoe over VT

 

[big_neil]

Vinny ... wins this baby in a landslide...

Can you post your IQ along with this theory?

While giving so much credit to having Terry, how about not having Flozell? How about 50% more wins? How many game winning drives did Vinny have? What was his rating again? What are you Vinny's cousin or something? If you call that a landslide, I suggest you see my poll Do You Want Drew Back Next Year, where only 1 in 6 agrees with you letalone to that degree.

 

[Zaxor]

Can you post your IQ along with this theory?

While giving so much credit to having Terry, how about not having Flozell? How about 50% more wins? How many game winning drives did Vinny have? What was his rating again? What are you Vinny's cousin or something? If you call that a landslide, I suggest you see my poll Do You Want Drew Back Next Year, where only 1 in 6 agrees with you letalone to that degree.

sure my IQ is 214

now back to your nonsense... you dismiss the loss of campbell, the loss of Julius and an ineffective defensive unit...we were playing from behind almost everygame...

the oline was just as attrocious check the stats...and the strength of schedule was about the same...

all you worshippers are not paying attention..and I have been forced on more than one occasion to repeat myself....

please pay attention and don't ingnore those mitigating circumstances...

 

[KingTuna]

I've got the FINAL Conclusion to VT vs. Bledsoe ...


Bledsoe is our Qb....VT is NOT......

Next topic please...........

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I really don't think that anyone would have preferred Testaverde be the starting QB of the Cowboys, he's just trying to show people who haven't seen it yet that Drew Bledsoe is a horrible mistake that will haunt this franchise.


A winning record may change some people's perception of how a player performed but if you really step back and look at things Bledsoe wasn't really any better than Vinnie.


I know people like Big_Kneel_and_bob worship at the altar but what is everyone else's excuse.


Now the season's over, can anyone give me one benefit from having Bledsoe on the roster let alone starting? Just one good thing about his signing?

 

[Cowchips]

I really don't think that anyone would have preferred Testaverde be the starting QB of the Cowboys, he's just trying to show people who haven't seen it yet that Drew Bledsoe is a horrible mistake that will haunt this franchise.


A winning record may change some people's perception of how a player performed but if you really step back and look at things Bledsoe wasn't really any better than Vinnie.


I know people like Big_Kneel_and_bob worship at the altar but what is everyone else's excuse.


Now the season's over, can anyone give me one benefit from having Bledsoe on the roster let alone starting? Just one good thing about his signing?

Unless you know of a 25 year old that can put up the numbers Bledsoe does, I think I'd stick with Bledsoe. Look what replacing him in Buffalo caused. There are very few Tom Brady's out there, Drew is a solid alternative vs. whatis.

 

[burmafrd]

That is what the Bledsoe haters will not admit- there is no real alternative that shows the likelihood of being as good, let alone better. And with the truly pathetic performance of our O line, the last 6 games in particular, how many QB's would NOT have been carted off - Drew is a tough one. Brunnell would have been toast 4-5 games ago.

 

[Zaxor]

That is what the Bledsoe haters will not admit- there is no real alternative that shows the likelihood of being as good, let alone better. And with the truly pathetic performance of our O line, the last 6 games in particular, how many QB's would NOT have been carted off - Drew is a tough one. Brunnell would have been toast 4-5 games ago.

Again and for the last time I am do not hate Bledsoe...

I think he is a mistake...

I think the whole offensive approach has been a mistake...

I think the O-line will never be good enough to protect Bledsoe... So I don't see any reasonable advancement in offensive production for the coming season...

Nothing to do with hate but everything to do with love of the Dallas Cowboys

now lets finally here why you have so much love for Bledsoe and so little for the Cowboys...is it the way he fills out his uniform?:flex:




WHAT you don't like to be labled...well I suggest you quit doing it to others

 

[Zaxor]

I really don't think that anyone would have preferred Testaverde be the starting QB of the Cowboys, he's just trying to show people who haven't seen it yet that Drew Bledsoe is a horrible mistake that will haunt this franchise.


A winning record may change some people's perception of how a player performed but if you really step back and look at things Bledsoe wasn't really any better than Vinnie.


I know people like Big_Kneel_and_bob worship at the altar but what is everyone else's excuse.


Now the season's over, can anyone give me one benefit from having Bledsoe on the roster let alone starting? Just one good thing about his signing?

Thank you Stan...

sometimes I am just so amazed at the ferocity of people wanting to be right even when they are wrong