Conclusive/Inconclusive

[GusTheo]

Let me preface this post by saying I know his fingertips were on the line. I'm just playing devils advocate for a second here.

The ruling on the field was a TD. They need conclusive evidence to overturn any calls. Well how can you tell me that a guy wearing white gloves was touching a white surface if he camera is at an angle from above his hand? There's just not way. As long as his glove is white and the background (line) is white, there's no way to tell if it is in fact touching or not. His fingers "could" in fact be in the air while his palm is agains the endzone.

You say "well it's not humanly possible for his fingers to be in the air" that doesn't matter. What you see is what you get. You need to see his fingers ON the line out of bounds. Not assume that they're touching just because they look like they are.

This isn't me being a homer. It's just a thought that I feel has some merit.

 

[Nation]

You can conclusively tell apart the shades of the gloves and the field, the endzone paint looks worn whereas the gloves Dez has on are fresh looking.

 

[Doomsday101]

Let me preface this post by saying I know his fingertips were on the line. I'm just playing devils advocate for a second here.

The ruling on the field was a TD. They need conclusive evidence to overturn any calls. Well how can you tell me that a guy wearing white gloves was touching a white surface if he camera is at an angle from above his hand? There's just not way. As long as his glove is white and the background (line) is white, there's no way to tell if it is in fact touching or not. His fingers "could" in fact be in the air while his palm is agains the endzone.

You say "well it's not humanly possible for his fingers to be in the air" that doesn't matter. What you see is what you get. You need to see his fingers ON the line out of bounds. Not assume that they're touching just because they look like they are.

This isn't me being a homer. It's just a thought that I feel has some merit.

I watched that replay several times and each time I come to the same conclusion, he was out of bounds.

I wish I could sit here and say the refs screwed up but if you want my honest opinion well then he was out of bounds when he came down.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

His fingers "could" in fact be in the air while his palm is agains the endzone.

My wife - who actually could care less who wins - said the same thing, that when she saw the replay she didn't think his fingers touched the ground, but that the edge of his hand adjacent thi his palm touched first in-bounds before his fingers touched out.

But, do you remeber that Green Bay vs. Seattle game when Green Bay got an interception on the last play of the game when Seattle needed a TD to win? The replacement refs should have correctly called an INT in the endzone and the victor would have been Greeen Bay; instead thay GAVE the win to Seattle by wrongly calling it a TD.

That was the play that ended the referre lockout. The NFL clearly had egg on its face because it does not want the impression that referrees decide the outcomes of games.

This is why I believe they overturned the Dallas TD, as inconclusive as it was - as to not leave any controversy as to whthere it was really a TD or not. The last thing the NFL wanted was to leave the impression that even the real refs decide the outcomes of games.

Rahter, they took the TD away knowing Dallas had another play left, so if they came up short it would be on them and not the refs. They even had Carerra come on TV and say right away "well clearly his fingers are touching" when it was really inconclusive. His job was to sell the lie well, and that he did.

Lastly, I'll say this - does it matter? I always say "you got to beat the refs if you want to be a champion". By that I mean, play well enough that even if the refs are calling a one-sided game against you, you are good enough to answer back by good plays of your own, and defeat your opponent so handily that even with their 12th man they can't beat you.

Dallas didn't do that. The Giants clearly had the 12th man - the replay ref - in on that play, but why didn't Dez tuck his nand in like receivers are tought to do in back of endzone plays? Had he done that, the replay ref would've been a non-facotr. And dallas did have a final play left - one play, and the 5 OL players lets 3 Ginats DL thorug? And the QB, who scrambles away chucks the ball out of bounds because his WR are lazilly just standing in the end-zone wothout even trying to get seperation on a play with designed routes to do just that? The prssure was on the offense and they folded. That's not on the refs, nor the replay refs.

 

[Doomsday101]

My wife - who actually could care less who wins - said the same thing, that when she saw the replay she didn't think his fingers touched the ground, but that the edge of hif hand adjacrnt thi his palm touched first in-bounds.

But, do you remeber that Green Bay vs. Seattle game when Green Bay got an interception on the last play of the game when Seattle need a TD to win? The replacement refs should have correctly called an INT in the endzone and the victor would have been Greeen Bay; instead thay GAVE the win to Seattle by wrongly calling it a TD.

That was the play that ended the referre lockout. The NFL clearly had egg on its face because it does not want the impression that referres decide the outcomes of games.

This is why I believe they overturned the Dallas TD, as inconclusive as it was - as to not leave any controversy as to whthere it was really a TD or not. The last thing the NFL wanted was to leave the impression that even the real refs decide the outcomes of games.

rahter, they took the TD away knowing Dallas had another play left, so if they came up short it would on them and not the refs.

I think they made the call they did because it was the right call. They zoomed in on the fingers and he was out of bounds.

 

[rocboy22]

My wife - who actually could care less who wins - said the same thing, that when she saw the replay she didn't think his fingers touched the ground, but that the edge of hif hand adjacrnt thi his palm touched first in-bounds.

But, do you remeber that Green Bay vs. Seattle game when Green Bay got an interception on the last play of the game when Seattle need a TD to win? The replacement refs should have correctly called an INT in the endzone and the victor would have been Greeen Bay; instead thay GAVE the win to Seattle by wrongly calling it a TD.

That was the play that ended the referre lockout. The NFL clearly had egg on its face because it does not want the impression that referrees decide the outcomes of games.

This is why I believe they overturned the Dallas TD, as inconclusive as it was - as to not leave any controversy as to whthere it was really a TD or not. The last thing the NFL wanted was to leave the impression that even the real refs decide the outcomes of games.

Rahter, they took the TD away knowing Dallas had another play left, so if they came up short it would on them and not the refs. They even had Carerra come on TV and say right away well clearly his fingers are touching when it was really inconclusive. His job was to sell the lie well, and that he did.

who is Carerra? Do you mean Mike Pereira? He does not work for the league and would not be attempting to sell any lies. He calls out the refs for mistakes all the time - that is his job.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

who is Carerra? Do you mean Mike Pereira? He does not work for the league and would not be attempting to sell any lies. He calls out the refs for mistakes all the time - that is his job.

Yeah, sorry I menat Pereira.

 

[erod]

There's a pit in my stomach that says that if the situation was reversed, the refs would have bent over backwards to find a way to rule the Giants receiver in bounds.

And for reference, I'm the guy that hates it when fans complain about officiating.

Had that been Cruz and he was ruled out of bounds, there'd be more complaining about that call ALL WEEK than they are about the little storm that just rolled through.

 

[GusTheo]

I said I thought he was out of bounds. But I was just getting hung up the language of the rules. I'm not complaining about the call, just bored.

 

[Seven]

Square up the endzone. Make sure the backline is straight from corner to corner!!

 

[jayhouston12]

its cowboys football....this won't be the last....

we'll make up for it by intercepting a ball running it back for a touchdown only for it to be called back because one of the db's didn't have full control on his 80 yard rumble

seriously.....when i saw it, it didn't even shock me, if we don't find ways to lose then by some miricle someone else will

had that been a giants player it would have been 6

 

[JohnsKey19]

its cowboys football....this won't be the last....

we'll make up for it by intercepting a ball running it back for a touchdown only for it to be called back because one of the db's didn't have full control on his 80 yard rumble

seriously.....when i saw it, it didn't even shock me, if we don't find ways to lose then by some miricle someone else will

had that been a giants player it would have been 6

Sometimes you wonder if it just ain't your year. We execute the onsides kick then miss the FG. We make an improbable coneback, make an incredible would-be game winning catch, only to be ruled out by 1/2 inch. Could easily be 5-2...

 

[jayhouston12]

Sometimes you wonder if it just ain't your year. We execute the onsides kick then miss the FG. We make an improbable coneback, make an incredible would-be game winning catch, only to be ruled out by 1/2 inch. Could easily be 5-2...

it's not our year...i'm sure we might be the first team to be penalized for pass interference because one of our DB's farted and it threw off the opposing receivers route.

with the cowboys? i don't doubt it.....it is not our year

 

[Yeagermeister]

it's not our year...i'm sure we might be the first team to be penalized for pass interference because one of our DB's farted and it threw off the opposing receivers route.

with the cowboys? i don't doubt it.....it is not our year

Illegal flatulence defense # 24 spot foul 1st down

 

[Rack]

I think they made the call they did because it was the right call. They zoomed in on the fingers and he was out of bounds.

Agreed. It's OBVIOUS he was out of bounds. ANYONE not wearing rose colored glasses and drinking koolaid could see he was out of bounds.


Not dez's fault, he almost made an amazing play. But Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.


The refs made the right call.

 

[Tabascocat]

His palm may or may not have come down first, but it does not matter. You don't establish in bounds with just a palm or just half a foot for that matter. Even if the palm hit first, the fingers landed OOB right after it, so it was very clear he was out of bounds. There is no way to argue otherwise.

 

[CowboyGil]

Not to beat a dead horse into glue, but I think the video evidence was inconclusive enough to where if I were the replay official, I would've let the call on the field stand to avoid deciding the game and causing controversy. But what's done is done, time to get ready for the Falcons.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

When I saw it in real time I thought he landed out of bounds. I was shocked to see how close it was in replay. It was the right call. If we want to talk about the refs i'm more pissed that they were allowed to tackle us on a screen pass before Felix even caught the ball.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Not to beat a dead horse into glue, but I think the video evidence was inconclusive enough to where if I were the replay official, I would've let the call on the field stand to avoid deciding the game and causing controversy. But what's done is done, time to get ready for the Falcons.

It was conclusive though. You have to factor in possession, where he landed and his hands. It was the right call. I would be pissed if I were a Giant fan and they let that play stand. That's on par with what happened in Seattle against the Packers if they let that go.

 

[VACowboy]

Dez's hands are just too fricking huge!