Congrats to Bill Parcells guys

[theebs]

So for my 11,771st post and last one for a long time, possibly ever I would like to say......

what could have been. What a perfect marriage all those guys would have been to this team and this city, the front office would be in tremendously great shape, we would have a plan and a blueprint and the right people to follow through with that.

Everyone who loves to have their egos stroked would have had it because of the success of the organization.

Its all squandered now and that is a shame. What could have been.

Take Care.

 

[Hostile]

This is cute but what does it have to do with the point being made by the poster you quoted?

I believe his point was that the combination of Parcells and and owner who is not as hands-on as JJ has proven to be a good one in it's first year.

The previous 17 years of history between the owner and the other coaches has absolutely nothing to do with this point.

Was it really that hard to grasp? He took a shot at Jerry for being too hands on. His contention being that Jerry needs to be more like Wayne.

Wayne and his myriad of coaches, GMs, and his current "hands off" Vice President of Football Operations have not had anywhere near the success that the meddling, bumbling bumpkin Jerry Jones has had.

One season where they have not even played a post season game yet is evidence their way is better?

LOL

6-9, no Super Bowls, riding Joe Robbie's coat tails for 3 of the years I am giving him credit for or he's really 4-7.

or...

12-8 in the post season with 3 Super Bowls.


Uh, maybe Wayne needs to follow Jerry's model.

Unless Parcells and Wayne win it all this year, there is no point to Huizenga's hands off methods being better.

 

[khiladi]

Maybe we should have kept Quincy Carter and not gone to the 3-4 defense...

 

[Vtwin]

Was it really that hard to grasp? He took a shot at Jerry for being too hands on. His contention being that Jerry needs to be more like Wayne.

Wayne and his myriad of coaches, GMs, and his current "hands off" Vice President of Football Operations have not had anywhere near the success that the meddling, bumbling bumpkin Jerry Jones has had.

One season where they have not even played a post season game yet is evidence their way is better?

LOL

6-9, no Super Bowls, riding Joe Robbie's coat tails for 3 of the years I am giving him credit for or he's really 4-7.

or...

12-8 in the post season with 3 Super Bowls.


Uh, maybe Wayne needs to follow Jerry's model.

Unless Parcells and Wayne win it all this year, there is no point to Huizenga's hands off methods being better.

Dude,

He congratulated Bill and spoke about the difference in results Bill has achieved when working with a less meddlesome owner then JJ.

It was not about JJ's or Huizenga's style but about Parcell's results when compared against the differing styles of his bosses.

You can twist things any way you wish but you are doing the poster a disservice by reading way more into his words then what was written.

The past 17 years have absolutely nothing to do with the point being made. Is it really that hard to understand?


p.s.

You can't really compare the pre-salary cap success with the success or lack thereof of any teams in the post salary cap era.

 

[khiladi]

Dude,

He congratulated Bill and spoke about the difference in results Bill has achieved when working with a less meddlesome owner then JJ.

It was not about JJ's or Huizenga's style but about Parcell's results when compared against the differing styles of his bosses.

You can twist things any way you wish but you are doing the poster a disservice by reading way more into his words then what was written.

The past 17 years have absolutely nothing to do with the point being made. Is it really that hard to understand?


p.s.

You can't really compare the pre-salary cap success with the success or lack thereof of any teams in the post salary cap era.

Huh? Parcells got to the play-offs the first year coaching the Cowboys, with Jerry Jones. It was also the year we were playing a 4-3 and the majority of players were from the Campo era. We shifted to the 3-4 because of Parcells and Parcells brought in his coaches and players, and still failed.

 

[Hostile]

Dude,

He congratulated Bill and spoke about the difference in results Bill has achieved when working with a less meddlesome owner then JJ.

I know.

It was not about JJ's or Huizenga's style but about Parcell's results when compared against the differing styles of his bosses.

Oh yes it was. Read it again.

You can twist things any way you wish but you are doing the poster a disservice by reading way more into his words then what was written.

Either he will recover or he won't.

The past 17 years have absolutely nothing to do with the point being made. Is it really that hard to understand?

He had no point. Huzienga does not compare to Jerry.

p.s.

You can't really compare the pre-salary cap success with the success or lack thereof of any teams in the post salary cap era.

I didn't. I compared Huzienga's hands off reign as Dolphins owner with Jerry's meddlesome reign as Cowboys owner.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Wait...didn't Bill get the Cowboys to 10-6 and into the playoffs his first year in Dallas under this too hands on owner?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

So for my 11,771st post and last one for a long time, possibly ever I would like to say......

what could have been. What a perfect marriage all those guys would have been to this team and this city, the front office would be in tremendously great shape, we would have a plan and a blueprint and the right people to follow through with that.

Everyone who loves to have their egos stroked would have had it because of the success of the organization.

Its all squandered now and that is a shame. What could have been.

Take Care.

You're leaving over this?

Wow.

 

[burmafrd]

Problem was as time went by Jerruh just had to get more involved and TO being the big example of that. BP was also burned out as a coach- he did a GREAT job in 2003 but that was like his last gasp as a good coach. He just did not have the energy and fire after that.
Sparano is young and ready and has proven that. Of course it will be interesting to see what happens next year but one must remind people that we had a bunch of injuries in 2004 and had Vinny as QB and also it was clear that our D was just not that good. As long as Sparano has Pennington healthy he has a good QB; he has most of the pieces of a good team. I think its clear there is more talent on this Dolphin team then there was that Cowboy team.

 

[Garland powerplay]

Gratz Bill
really wish we still had you as our HC

second that

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Problem was as time went by Jerruh just had to get more involved and TO being the big example of that. BP was also burned out as a coach- he did a GREAT job in 2003 but that was like his last gasp as a good coach. He just did not have the energy and fire after that.
Sparano is young and ready and has proven that. Of course it will be interesting to see what happens next year but one must remind people that we had a bunch of injuries in 2004 and had Vinny as QB and also it was clear that our D was just not that good. As long as Sparano has Pennington healthy he has a good QB; he has most of the pieces of a good team. I think its clear there is more talent on this Dolphin team then there was that Cowboy team.

Possibly. The problem is Jerry has always been Jerry so this idea that the one year BP did really well was cause Jerry decided to back off some is only making excuses for why BP wasn't as good afterwards.

Jerry is, was, and always will be very hands on. So anyone who has success, for even a season, under him, and that includes the great Bill, did so with Jerry the hands on owner.

 

[Vtwin]

I know.

Oh yes it was. Read it again.

Either he will recover or he won't.

He had no point. Huzienga does not compare to Jerry.


I didn't. I compared Huzienga's hands off reign as Dolphins owner with Jerry's meddlesome reign as Cowboys owner.

Sure man.

Whatever you say.....

Happy New Year.

 

[Tikkanen]

You mean the owner who bought into the team in 1990 and took over as the managing owner in 1993 after Joe Robbie died.

Of course it's easier said than done, but I'm talking about an owner that finds a good football person(s) to run the show, and stays out of the way. I love Jerry the owner - makes money for the team, isn't afraid to spend his cash to get talent, works NFL administration to grow the game, etc. I hate Jerry the GM and now de-facto coach who brings in disruptive personalities, who hires an unproven low-level assistant as the offensive coordinator before the head coach is hired, who comments on TO's every interview, etc.

A better example is the Kraft family and how they let the football braintrust run the show. You tell me if Jerry Jones fits that mold or if he's more similar to Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders.

 

[DFWJC]

Gutsy call by Coach Sparano on 4th and 1. Looks like BP's guys took a 1-15 team and made them into a playoff team in one year. Kudos to those guys.

yeah, that was great turnaround in Miami.

However, the Cowboys under Bill were not any better than the teams we have had the past two years. But I do understand that BP had a least something to do with the personel (just not D Ware).

I like Bill---giant ego and all---but having to listen to Jean-Jacques Taylor over the last two years has truned me off a bit. I have never seen a writer have his head buried (past the shoulders) so far up a HC's tail. It's disgusting.

 

[DFWJC]

Congrats, Bill. The difference is that in Miami, he has an owner who pays he bills and stays the heck out of the way. If Bill was allowed to get rid of malcontents, or make them fear getting cut, who knows what he could have done here.

Bill was not the coach in Miami...but I see what you're saying.

 

[Signals]

Bill is thriving in the Fins Land, no wonder his name is the Tuna!

Guess I should have something to here but don't know what it would be.

:

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Congratulations to Parcells. It's an amazing accomplishment. If they finished 7-9, it would have been impressive as heck let alone finishing 9-7 and going to the playoffs. I knew Parcells would help rebuild the Dolphins to respectable levels but I didn't think he would do it this soon.

However, it's a huge stretch to imply that Parcells would have led us to a championship or a Superbowl appearance based on what he did with the Dolphins. Parcells has proven to be a great rebuilder but hardly a champion. He hasn't won a Superbowl in nearly 20 years. And Parcells hasn't proven he can win without Bill Bellichek. Meanwhile Bill Bellichek went 16-0 and appeared in the Superbowl WITHOUT CRENNEL AND WEISS so it's apparent who the brains behind Parcells success was. Bellichek was the brains while Parcells provided the discipline. However, we are learning that discipline alone can only get you so far. You need brains and talent and unfortunately, Parcells wasn't quite the playcaller without his trusty sidekick Bill Bellichek calling the defense.

And Jason Garrett deserves credit for last year. Sparano was essentially a glorified RB's coach last year while Garrett called the plays. We all know this. It's a big reason Sparano left Dallas because his role was minimized with Garrett's arrival.

 

[Hostile]

Of course it's easier said than done, but I'm talking about an owner that finds a good football person(s) to run the show, and stays out of the way. I love Jerry the owner - makes money for the team, isn't afraid to spend his cash to get talent, works NFL administration to grow the game, etc. I hate Jerry the GM and now de-facto coach who brings in disruptive personalities, who hires an unproven low-level assistant as the offensive coordinator before the head coach is hired, who comments on TO's every interview, etc.

A better example is the Kraft family and how they let the football braintrust run the show. You tell me if Jerry Jones fits that mold or if he's more similar to Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders.

Wow, what a revelation. Jerry Jones runs the show in Dallas. I think the world may end before some Cowboys fans realize that is a static situation for which their incessant complaining accomplishes nothing.

It only took Wayne how long to once again try and follow Jerry's lead? I mean he tries almost everything else Jerry does. Why not hire his cast off coaches?

He has won nothing. Let him win something before we set him up as the apex of football owners, the muse they should look to, the crux of all football genius.

5 bucks says Parcells leaves them high and dry with no championships and a team that will return to earth after a great year this year and people will say, "see how without Parcells it falls apart? Just like in Dallas." The only problem is that will also be an illusion done with smoke and mirrors and dictated by the schedule.

 

[burmafrd]

Its the system that BP puts into place that needs to be maintained. And that system is what Jerruh is gradually destroying.

As regards Bellicek- he did not win the SB did he? He has not won one since Crennel and Weis left. SO frankly James you can pin on Bellicek not being able to get by without his trusty sidekicks as well. They even missed the playoffs this year with an 11-5 record. WHich is pretty bizarre in itself but still: ever since his staff got shaken up after the last SB win BB has not been as good. I think last year was a freak thing in going 16-0; they had a lot of breaks go their way but it caught up to them in the SB.

 

[Givincer]

And Jason Garrett deserves credit for last year. Sparano was essentially a glorified RB's coach last year while Garrett called the plays. We all know this. It's a big reason Sparano left Dallas because his role was minimized with Garrett's arrival.

Not really sure how any fan would know this. But okay.