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People are making a mistake and assuming a certain trade value exist for Romo.
They act like we are hurting ourselves if we don't trade him to the Browns for a 1st.

Ask yourself this....as good as Romo is when healthy how would you feel about him making it through a season today? Forgetting his huge contract...would you give up much for a QB that was physically broken the last few times we played?

And I'm a huge Romo fan. Huge.
Bradford had never been healthy a season his career and people labeled him as physically proken. Still there was a market for him. Romo is a franchise QB. Peyton Manning was in the same spot Romo is in. Guy had just had a serious surgery and still there was a team still willing to sign in 2013. when he signed it he got 18 million his first yr. What im getting at here is this league is full of bad QBs that when one thats very good is available if he passes the teams physical he will be traded for or signed. Troy Aikman couldnt take a hit without getting a concussion, and he was almost talked out of retirement.
 

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Bradford had never been healthy a season his career and people labeled him as physically proken. Still there was a market for him. Romo is a franchise QB. Peyton Manning was in the same spot Romo is in. Guy had just had a serious surgery and still there was a team still willing to sign in 2013. when he signed it he got 18 million his first yr. What im getting at here is this league is full of bad QBs that when one thats very good is available if he passes the teams physical he will be traded for or signed. Troy Aikman couldnt take a hit without getting a concussion, and he was almost talked out of retirement.
I agree with some of your points.
With any deal I try to put myself on the other end of the transaction. If the Cowboys gave up anything more than a 3rd for a player like Romo most fans would be furious. It's his health concerns more than anything else. Heck I was nervous for him last season in preseason before he got hurt and then nervous for him again in the Philly game this year. I don't want to see him hurt again but how can anyone really think he could make it through a season. This is why he has a diminished trade value. And it's understandable.
 

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My position is and has been throughout that we should keep Romo as backup unless someone gives us a Rd 1 pick this year

I believe that Romo is healthy and is a top 10 QB in a league devoid of good QBs. We are morons to be giving him away just to make him happy
I agree but standard NFL philosophy says you get rid of the expensive older QB, and the jones boys are going to do the usual thing,
they wont be innovative or buck tradition .
plus they want the money saved to be spent on other players.
Dak is the CHEAP young qb for what 3 more years?

It is easy to look at this in the traditional way, it is harder to buck tradition, and keep both starting qb's.

I cant remember another team with this situation in last 10 years, I know SF had montana and young at same time.
They used young, then went back to montana and won another SB, and people said, that after joe was benched for young,
that when he got back starting job, he was the best he ever was. The competition elevated his play and desire.

Then later joe got hurt, and when we played them in playoffs, joe was ready to play but they stayed with young,
I was glad, I was afraid of joe playing but not young. SF lost that game, then joe went to KC.

But this is unusual , and dallas should get something good for romo or keep him till they do, I would even play him
to up his value , or just to see how he does now that he is totally rested up.

For the first time ever we could start tony, and not worry about him getting hurt, because we have dak.
Why not use tony one last year and see what happens ?

If he gets hurt or plays bad , just insert dak, if he plays good and wins, roll with it.
If tony played all year, won the SB, how much could we get for him then?
And if he just plays all year and plays good, wins a playoff game, his value goes way up.
And whole time you still have dak ready to go.
 

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Ok. 14M minus what you pay the backup. Thanks for stating the obvious. How much do you think we'll pay a backup?
1.5-2 mil, 3 mil max
But then also consider you wont have a good bkup, if dak gets hurt , that is it, end of season.
With both of them . you have 2 starters, so one gets hurt other one steps in and keeps winning.
 

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How many teams in the NFL have their pro bowl starting QB facing competition? Only teams that don't have a starting QB have competition at that position. Tony Romo went 10 years without competition. Dak is our starting QB, this is his team now.

You can say competition is good always, it sounds good but do you have someone come in and compete for Zeke's job?

If you can get someone who CAN compete for his job and can afford it, yes.

It's a numbers things. Half the teams in the league don't have a good starting QB. It is extremely rare to have two good ones. That is why pro-bowl QBs aren't facing competition. It is not because they want to protect their fragile egos.
 

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Bradford had never been healthy a season his career and people labeled him as physically proken. Still there was a market for him. Romo is a franchise QB. Peyton Manning was in the same spot Romo is in. Guy had just had a serious surgery and still there was a team still willing to sign in 2013. when he signed it he got 18 million his first yr. What im getting at here is this league is full of bad QBs that when one thats very good is available if he passes the teams physical he will be traded for or signed. Troy Aikman couldnt take a hit without getting a concussion, and he was almost talked out of retirement.

There wasn't a market for Bradford prior to Minnesota losing their starter and panicking. It was the circumstances, not the player himself.
 

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It's not just to make him happy. It's to save 14m allocated for a backup while picking up assets.

It is possible to over play your hand.

Trading TR would not result in 14m savings; the dead money hits the cap, resulting in only 5.1m in savings.
 

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It is extremely rare to have two good ones. That is why pro-bowl QBs aren't facing competition
That is true.
We have 2 , and are going to just release one ?? get nothing for him??
Dak was a wake up call to romo, I would like to see how he plays now, after healing and being rested, and knowing he has to play
good to keep the job.

Before he had the job no matter how he played, 5 int's in one game, no big deal he is still the starter !
 

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There wasn't a market for Bradford prior to Minnesota losing their starter and panicking. It was the circumstances, not the player himself.
yes but phil was ready to keep bradford, and sit wentz, till they could get value for Bradford, and they did, the opportunity
popped up early and they jumped on it.
This is what dallas needs to think about.
 

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If you can get someone who CAN compete for his job and can afford it, yes.

It's a numbers things. Half the teams in the league don't have a good starting QB. It is extremely rare to have two good ones. That is why pro-bowl QBs aren't facing competition. It is not because they want to protect their fragile egos.

It is because the quarterback is the unquestioned leader of the team. You keep Romo, you lose two games in a row and you have a media spectacle and players picking sides in the locker room...regardless who is the backup. Garrett is asked after every loss is he going to switch quarterbacks.

This is Dak's team, it's time to move on. He shouldn't have to look on the sidelines and see the guy making 30X what he is staring him down.

Regardless, keeping him as a backup is not happening. I can't wait for this next week to be over so this debate can finally be put to rest.
 

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That is true.
We have 2 , and are going to just release one ?? get nothing for him??
Dak was a wake up call to romo, I would like to see how he plays now, after healing and being rested, and knowing he has to play
good to keep the job.

Before he had the job no matter how he played, 5 int's in one game, no big deal he is still the starter !
I hear you, but I think he was fully woken up by beginning game 2 of 2014. He was very good anyway. But once he knew he could trust the oline and run game he went to a QB who led the league in efficiency. That was pre-Dak
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Anyway, it was always extremely rare for him to ever have back to back cruddy games.
Im not sure it even happened once in his career.

I do think (not know) he's gone though.
Daks team now. Hopefully it works out.
 

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yes but phil was ready to keep bradford, and sit wentz, till they could get value for Bradford, and they did, the opportunity
popped up early and they jumped on it.
This is what dallas needs to think about.

Holding our franchise quarterback for the last decade hostage during his twilight years hoping a playoff caliber team loses their quarterback in preseason?
 

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It is because the quarterback is the unquestioned leader of the team. You keep Romo, you lose two games in a row and you have a media spectacle and players picking sides in the locker room...regardless who is the backup. Garrett is asked after every loss is he going to switch quarterbacks.

This is Dak's team, it's time to move on. He shouldn't have to look on the sidelines and see the guy making 30X what he is staring him down.

Regardless, keeping him as a backup is not happening. I can't wait for this next week to be over so this debate can finally be put to rest.

No, it's because it is almost impossible to do.

If Dak is worried about a guy on the sidelines, he is no leader. He should be cut (or traded) immediately.

Being a (or the) QB does not make someone a leader, and certainly not the unquestioned leader.
 

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Holding our franchise quarterback for the last decade hostage during his twilight years hoping a playoff caliber team loses their quarterback in preseason?
no , you say hostage, I say player for value. or just play him.
 

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No, it's because it is almost impossible to do.

If Dak is worried about a guy on the sidelines, he is no leader. He should be cut (or traded) immediately.

Being a (or the) QB does not make someone a leader, and certainly not the unquestioned leader.
and certainly not the unquestioned leader...... yeah one good season, and now everyone is all in on dak.
I was all in last year, but he lost to GB just like tony did.
Tony did look good in phil game, and he is more rested and healed up since 2006.
I think he might be the best choice to start this year, and let Dak be bkup this time.

plus the only way to get value for tony if traded is to prove he can play a whole season, get past the injury prone made of glass
image, and show he can play at high level still, then they could trade him for much more value.
Or he might lead team to playoffs.

It wont happen though, they will trade him for peanuts, and or release him for nothing.

Right now the main thing is tony's image as one hit and another back or cb injury, and I think he could play all year.
That is why they need to play him and prove he can.
 

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1.5-2 mil, 3 mil max
But then also consider you wont have a good bkup, if dak gets hurt , that is it, end of season.
With both of them . you have 2 starters, so one gets hurt other one steps in and keeps winning.
Usually if your starter gets hurt...that's the end of the season. And Romo has to be willing to be a backup. Everythign we've seen says he does not. He was a good soldier last year so hard to fault him.
 

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Trading TR would not result in 14m savings; the dead money hits the cap, resulting in only 5.1m in savings.
This is so frustrating.

Why do people not understand the cap but speak with such authority?
 

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When did Romo have Zeke and the best OL in football? He had something close in 2015 and won 12 games with a defense much, much worse than our 2016 team had.

If QBs are judged only by wins, Trent Dilfer goes to the Hall of Fame because he won a Super Bowl.
You missed the entire point as well. Don't jump into a conversation without knowing all the details, thank you
 

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yes but phil was ready to keep bradford, and sit wentz, till they could get value for Bradford, and they did, the opportunity
popped up early and they jumped on it.
This is what dallas needs to think about.

No. Philly wanted to play Bradford for one year, then replace him with Wentz. It was happenstance that Minny lost their QB right before the season. If Bridgewater is hurt the beginning of the preseason, Minnesota had options. If it happened after the season started, neither team would have time to prepare the QBs; trade likely doesn't happen.

To your point, it wasn't opportunity of holding Bradford. It was the opportunity of Minnesota panicked two weeks before the season.

Here were Minnesota's options. They weren't pretty for a team expecting to make the playoffs.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ngs-qb-options-after-teddy-bridgewater-injury
 
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